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[Bazoukas]

quote:Originally posted by Pantso:
Creedon hi, I didn't see your post. I shouldn't have concluded the U.S government in this but I was in a way provoked to do so. I don't have anything against Americans. In fact I have many American friends here in Athens (we have a big american community) and I also have relatives in the States. I just don't like people preaching about what's politically correct and not, let alone swearing. That's all.

PAAAANTSOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 
  Hey man. I was born in Brooklyn but I was raised in Greece/Agrinio. Now I am in US for the last 7 years.

  I am typing this in English so everyone can understand what am saying.

   Send me a PM man. Here is my AIM handle  as well. ELLHNAS25.

 Hope to talk to you soon malaka  

[sporkme]

pantso, i was trying to be cool


edit:  i deleted most of my post


the united states is not collapsing, but we do have big time corruption to deal with

and pantso, how would you have us go about fighting the "war on terrorism" and the anti-western attitude of much of the world?  i am not going to get into the whiny "why do they hate us" song and dance...

i dont know... the UN and the EU would just bicker and debate this straight into the ground... we (in large part) feel that we just need to get over there and do something about this; we are supporting friendlier governments and trashing unfriendly/militant ones.  we sponsor freedom, as long as you don't try to kill us!

a lot of countries would starve without US aid

the "whats in it for us" comment is right on, and it is not entirely wrong for us to ask this... we just do it too much

i don't think anyone would raise thier hands in support of terrorism...  right (please)?

so... pantso, take it easy... my uneducated southern ass has had enough of this.  why are you so opposed to the united states?

and i am no dumb redneck... but a lot of dumb rednecks died crushing the nazi regime... and dumb rednecks pay for food for a large portion of the third world

[ September 02, 2002: Message edited by: sporkme / bob ]

[Pantso]

Wow! I think that I've just struck a sensitive patriotic cord! Sorry about that! Let's move on, shall we?  

[sporkme]

pantso i edited that post and i think you read the wrong one   hehehe

[creedon]

quote:Originally posted by sporkme / bob:
pantso, i was trying to be cool


edit:  i deleted most of my post


the united states is not collapsing, but we do have big time corruption to deal with

and pantso, how would you have us go about fighting the "war on terrorism" and the anti-western attitude of much of the world?  i am not going to get into the whiny "why do they hate us" song and dance...

i dont know... the UN and the EU would just bicker and debate this straight into the ground... we (in large part) feel that we just need to get over there and do something about this; we are supporting friendlier governments and trashing unfriendly/militant ones.  we sponsor freedom, as long as you don't try to kill us!

a lot of countries would starve without US aid

the "whats in it for us" comment is right on, and it is not entirely wrong for us to ask this... we just do it too much

i don't think anyone would raise thier hands in support of terrorism...  right (please)?

so... pantso, take it easy... my uneducated southern ass has had enough of this.  why are you so opposed to the united states?

and i am no dumb redneck... but a lot of dumb rednecks died crushing the nazi regime... and dumb rednecks pay for food for a large portion of the third world

[ September 02, 2002: Message edited by: sporkme / bob ]

The one realization you have to make is that YOU might be one of those "acceptable casualties".  I don't now, and never have seen the point of the United States sending young men to a strange land to die for an abstract concept.  Who are we giong to put in Saddams place?  Yes, he's violent, aggresive killer, but that could be said for any member of the ruling Baath party; what's the point of getting rid of Saddam, only to replace him with someone just like him?

[Pantso]

Correct me if I'm wrong but where were the United States before Pearl Harbour, ha? Did any country other than the European ones and Russia suffer any more in WWII? I don't think so    . I'm telling you this once more. I have nothing against Americans except for those who fell victims of your Gebbelic propaganda (as in Gebbels, do you know him?)    . Oh, and for the facts. weren't you the ones who stood for Sadam Hussein in the 80's and flamed him in the 90's    Weren't you the ones that "created" Osama Bin Laden and the Mudjahedin to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan?    Weren't you the ones that brought Pinochet to power in Chille? Aren't you the ones that pollute the environment daily refusing to take part in the Environmental summit? Aren't you the ones that support Israel when they bomb unarmed Palestinians etc etc etc  

[Bazoukas]

Am gonna only comment about the Isreal/palestenian comment you made.

   Its kinda simple. Both countries have very poor leadership. They are acting as if they are leaders of neighborhood gangs.

 I can safely say that the majority of Americans dont think of much for none of those two.

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[Pantso]

To bazoukas: Sostos. Symfono kai epafksano!

[Bazoukas]

Geia sou re patrida!!  

[Pantso]

Ela re Ellada na kaneis kai kana mpanaki an kai tora mas ta xalase o kairos. Nisakia, paralies, ilios. Ti kaneis ekei pano vre?

[sporkme]

it's all greek to me!

comparing me / whoever to a nazi propogandist was a low, low cheap shot.

and by the way, friend, it is spelled Goebbels, and pronounced like the small, furry rodent he was.

chile was a major tarfu, but we had to keep the communists at bay.

need i remind you of your own communist insurgency? ...thus giving rise to your nov. 17 terrorists

about fifty times more russians died in world war 2 than any other nationality - thanks to uncle joe's pact with the devil.  it seems like every time you europeans get your asses in a bind, we have to come on over there and bail you out... AND THIS IS THE THANKS WE GET?

before pearl harbor, we were too busy trying to wield our giant bureacracy to bail our OWN asses out of the depression... once the attack came (read: sept 11), we swung into full force action AND WON THE WAR FOR YOU

vis-a-vis our pollution, i suggest you check the soft coal mines of eastern europe - which have pretty much denuded the wildlands due to the acid rain they produce.

our own epa DOES force many of the world's more unscrupulous corporations to exploit the lack of control in some less developed countries... but if we come over there and enforce our policies, we will have magically gone from isolationist to totalitarian in your eyes

it is you who are riding your huge ego; concerning your "birthplace of democracy" comment, you have been practicing for 4000 years and still haven't got it right.

Socrates and Demosthenes are weeping...

try this on for size:  we may have made our own mistakes in the past (i.e. saddam, chile) but at least we take care of them ourselves (despite your incessant whining).  whenever you bollocks it up, here come the yankees      

we have been pussy-footing around with the poor people in isreal/palestine for too long now.  in my opinion, yasser and sharon should be locked in a room with a couple of box cutters.
--i really liked the neighborhood gang analogy

those people are all the same really... wanting peace, wanting to have a normal life.

but then a bunch of terrorist morons have to go strapping TNT on thier backs

but then a bunch of sharon-ites have to blow up a police station

but then a bunch of terrori......   you get it

there aren't any israelis blowing themselves up though!  a very tippable scale as to who is more right than the other!

--do you want us to go in there and kick some butt, sort shit out, and such?  AHHH!  IT NEVER CEASES!

war is not usually good, but in some cases it becomes necessary.  imagine if someone had toppled the nazis before they became powerful... all those innocents

so... here we come mr. taliban!  here we come saddam insane!

"dropping bombs on innocent" people... give me a break.  in prisons over here, signs on the walls say SIT DOWN WHEN SHOTS ARE FIRED.  this is basically the policy the US armed forces take.  innocent people in tanks?!?!?!

the United Nations sure did a nice job in somolia.  shoulda just let the US handle that one.  and bosnia? korea?  all those innocents...

also... there is little either of us could do to stop the US anti-terror machine.  world trade center... all those innocents.

oh man my head hurts

pantso, you are extremely intelligent, worldly, and a talented debator.

[ September 02, 2002: Message edited by: sporkme / bob ]

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[lazygamer]

Ouch hurting head. I used to be alot like Sporkme(ie:US are the goodguys etc.), but I've fallen to the dark side.

Oh and Flap, your has made me go right back at you.  

[Bazoukas]

Am gonna talk as a person who lived in two countries. 14-15 years in Greece and 11-12 years in USA.

   Politics are dirty by its nature. PERIOD. I dont care where you from. That doesnt mean though we should all hit the mountains.
 
 I can make a whole list of Bad things the USA did and I can make a whole list of Bad things that Greece has done.
 
   Using that as a jumping point I can go to the other end of the spectrum and write a whole list of good things the USA did and a whole good things that Greece has done.

 Difference is that since USA is a superpower the results of  its actions have a much greater impact (good or bad).
   

  Believe it or not Americans and Europeans have much more in common than anyone wants to admit.

    I can make you a small brake down of the lists I told you about.

  I dont believe in idolizing anything or anyone. I call them as I see them.  I also do believe NOT using the past as a jumpstart. The past is what it is and no one can change it. Its also an error to use the past as "good old glory days".
 
   Am not saying forget history. Thats a recipe for repeating bad patterns. I am saying dont forget but learn from it so we can build a better future.


 NO COUNTRY IS A SAINT!!!!  WE ALL HAVE BLOOD IN OUR BODY. ACCEPT IT AND MOVE ALONG.

 Dueling about the past does little good.

  Its a dirty yet beautifull world people.

[ September 02, 2002: Message edited by: bazoukas ]

[Bazoukas]

well fuck it. I need to sudy but i dont feel like it. So am gonna do the small general brake down.

 Greece gave birth to Democracy.
 USA was the first nation after eons that revived Democracy.A goverment for the people by the people, as the Athenians wanted for their own City.


 American Revolution ignited the French Revolution and the Greek revolution fallowed shortly after.

 WWII. Well its best not to say bad things about that generation that fought against the Nazis no matter what country they came from. I will say this though. Nazis economical and finacial power was increased by the fact that big companies invested and sold materials to the Nazis because of their industrial demands. Some of those companies were based in USA.Along with that, Stalin showed support  at the early days towards Germany. ALL THIS HAPPENED before Germany decided to go GUN HO.
 
   On the other hand, if USA didnt come in, Europe would have fallen. England couldnt keep up for long and the gurila war in other countries was not enough.

   Cold War. Thats a whole fucked up situation by itself. Russia and America took it to the extreme. Both countries wanted to spread their own influence to other countries. Both USA and Russia made efforts to establish their own pupet rulers in other countries. Thus we had Korea, Vietnam, Afganistan and so on.

 Greece had a Dictator established by USA. The 17th November was the date that Greece elimenated that form of goverment.
400+ protesting students died in the Polutehnio University when a tank just charged in and sholdiers started shooting left and right.
 

  17th November though, the group, took a life of its own. The people (MAINLY 18 to 26 year old STUDENTS) that participated on overthrowing the goverment never had in mind that a group like this would form. And the group has taken it to a whole different level. Frankly I dont think they even know what they are "fighting" for. If you ask me they are just dickheads.

 
As I said before no country is perfect. Hell pancho do you forget what happened with the Albanians? When then president Mitsotakis invited them telling them that they gonna find jobs and houses to live?  He basicaly did that so the Albanians would vote him and stay for a second term.
  About Kuwait. I know a good number of US ARMY veterans, that GOT REALY FUCKING PISSED, when they recieved orders not to go after Sadam. And yeah the whole thing was to protect the oil resources. Sounds cruel? Maybe so, but think of the alternative.  

  The other famous royall fart from both USA and Europe was Ruanda. No one wanted to get their hands dirty and the result? Genocide.

 Anyway you cut it, some things dont look good.

 But i try not to focus only on the fuckups. There are so MANY postive things that came from USA and Europe and Russia and other countries.

 Space exploration (the thing that will save humanity) basicaly came from the German scientists.

 Now Russia and USA are working together to put humans on Mars.

  Medicice wise. The famous PAP test was invented in Greece. Europe and USA are coming with new treatments for all of natures fuckups (Cancer, mental illness and many more).

  And so on and so on and so on.


  I could go on but i need to study, but I just wanted to write this down.

 I realy do hate it when people are on each other throats when there is no need for it.


  Am gonna say it again.

 Its a dirty yet beautifull world people. Embrace it for what it is. There is a time for peace and there is a time for war. Its just life.

 I REALY HOPE SOMEONE WILL READ THIS SHIT CAUSE IT TOOK ME A GOOD 30 FUCKING MINUTES.

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[lazygamer]

Don't worry, I read it.  

It is an excellent point though, much good has come out of countries, along with much bad.