correcting my ways

[Kintaro]

quote:Originally posted by The Rev. Annorax:
I believe abandonware wont ever be embraced by M$... after all, they bend you over the table and shove newer versions of their stinking piles of horseshit directly up your ass... and as for the last legitimate M$ product I bought, and the only one... Pinball Arcade    

Nice sig!!!

[Doctor V]

I don't have any pirated software.  The only software I have that isn't free is games, all of which I've paid for.  I do have a couple of mp3s that I didn't pay for.  I don't really understand what is legal and what isn't legal about mp3s.

I didn't get them from a file sharing program, I got them from an FTP site.  I guess thats still illegal.  But how about if I start listening to the radio, and wait until the song comes up, then copy it.  That would be legal, right.  I could use streamripper to get it from an Internet radio station if one played it.  That would be legal as well.  Come to think of it, I could set up icecast, and broadcast it, then rip it from my own broadcast to obtain a legal copy, and then delete the illegitimate copys.  That would be legal right?

Gotta love loopholes in the law.

V

[Stryker]

quote:Originally posted by flap:


So why should they be punished for copying software?

because you can't get it off the radio (or television or other public network)

[Kintaro]

Its not about the law, but about the people who go to work to make the music, if the music is stolen... Even if it is not illegal. You are a disgusting leech. (Unless the Music is Eminem, or canadian (joke, but not the eminem bit))

I try to keep away from pirate software, and stuff. Unless it is: Microsoft, or out of date (Old IBM DOS for example).

[Doctor V]

If its not illegal, its not stealing.

[Kintaro]

I was talking about the "Legal Loopholes" that make it legal. But its still stolen!

[Doctor V]

Nope, its not stolen.

Here's my examples:

A man walks into an art museum, walks up to the Mona Lisa painting, takes it off the wall, puts it in a box and takes it home.

He stole the painting.

A man walks into an art museum, walks up to the Mona Lisa painting, takes out his camera, takes a picture of it, turns the photo into a poster and hangs it up on his wall.

He didn't steal the painting, the painting is still in the art museum.  Nobody has lost anything.

[flap]

quote:Originally posted by Stryker:


because you can't get it off the radio (or television or other public network)

So? I can get software from a friend. Why should that be punished?
(See previous post for an explanation of why copying + sharing is not "stealing")

[lazygamer]

Errr you mean in-correcting your ways!  

Ok imagine this.

Open source=Natural

Open source freeware that you can make money off of if done right=natural

Closed source=Un-Natural

non-freeware Closed source=Can start corruption that breeds shit like Microsoft.

non-freeware open source software=Natural, and would make people like Richard Stallman happy. Open sourcers are not pirates in the end.

pirating as because you do not support non-freeware closed source software=A form of protest.

So when I pirate, I am refusing to take part in supporting closed source, as I would rather pay nothing, then pay something and only serve to keep it alive.

When the day comes when there is ONLY freeware open source, and pay open source, I will be an evil leech freeloader. Currently, I am a protester.

I am not some underground rebel, I am just a freeloader. However, these arguments which I use to explain my actions aren't hollow. I am only a freeloader because I don't have the spirt of the underground rebel at my heart, the arguments for both are the exact same though.


What about pirating to damage Microsoft? Well I agree that does not harm them. The problem is not pirating, it's pirating and not furthering the alternative cause. So if I am a Linux dual booter who wants Wind0ze XP(for compatiblity with a few things), I will harm the Linux iniative more if I pay $300 for it, then if I pirated it and gave MS no money. If I were just a wind0ze pirate, I would not be aiding the Linux iniative because I woulden't use Linux.

Summary:You must limit the resources of the enemy AND bolster the resources of your ally, or the enemy will win everytime.

So if want the music industry changed, it makes no difference whether I pirate or boycott. Just as long as I support a new, by artists for artists underground music industry, that is desperately trying to survive.