Things you have to believe to be a Republican today

[flap]

Well actually I was suggesting that Bush uses his religion to justify all of those things, not just his stance on abortion. I believe he specifically cited God as a reason for going to war against Iraq, and obviously the same applies to his views on gays. Talk about no separation of church and state; no-one with any religious convictions whatsoever should be allowed in office if youwant to be able to achieve that.

But really religion is really just an excuse for having right wing views, it's not the cause. Even if Bush wasn't a Christian, he would still hold the same troglodyte opinions he does now. The point is that Religions such as Christianity were dreamed up for the sole purpose of providing an irrefutable, supernatural justification for conservative neroses.

As for you being against abortion, fair enough. I don't agree with you, but I at least recognise the difference between a liberal and a conservative "pro-life" stance. In fact I think most liberals who are anti-death penalty but have no objection to abortion are just as hypocritical as the conservatives who see it the other way around. Personally I have no problem with abortion or capital punishment.

[preacher]

I live in a republican state, Kansas. I am not a republican, in fact most of my city, Kansas City Kansas, are not republicans, at least thats how 80% of them vote. At the last presidential election, Kansas members of the electoral college all voted for Bush, regardless of the fact that there are significant voters who opposed Bush. I did not vote for bush(or Gore). Basically those who opposed Bush had votes that were thrown AWAY. Our votes simply didn't count because we were in the minority. All I can say is fuck the electoral college, fuck the current presidential election system. Why is it that for every smaller issue, popular vote is just fine, but for the presidential election, the voices of the minority of voters aren't heard?

I thought all the scandal around the 2000 election would if nothing else tell America to improve its current voting system, but that was a pipe dream. Instead it will never change. Thats why I won't vote on the presidential election any more. I'll focus on more local issues.

[WMD]

quote:responding to complex problems like crime or terrorism with reactionary and unthinking measures like increased police powers or war

Here's how I usually respond to such sillyness:

How do you suggest we solve the problem then?

The liberals are always talking about how they would be using diplomacy to solve terrorism... "working things out with them," and such.  But come on - they love to blow themselves up for their cause, and other such wackoism (if that word exists    ).  What makes the liberals think that the terrorists want to listen?  They don't!

 

quote:Well "against people's rights and for monopolistic business" is pretty much the definition of conservatism.

Well then.  If that's fair, then liberalism means taking the people's rights and giving them to the government.  They want more regulation, more public services.  In the end, more POWER for themselves. Why can't you people see through the political rhetoric from the left?

[ December 05, 2003: Message edited by: WMD ]

[Laukev7]

quote: How do you suggest we solve the problem then?

By not causing it in the first place.

[WMD]

quote:Originally posted by Laukev7:


By not causing it in the first place.

That's really weak.  See?  I proved another Republican belief: the current Democratic party (and liberalism in general) doesn't have a plan to fight terrorism.

Besides...what did we do to make them hate us?  And even if they do, it's their fault for attacking us.

[Laukev7]

quote:Originally posted by WMD:


That's really weak.  See?  I proved another Republican belief: the current Democratic party (and liberalism in general) doesn't have a plan to fight terrorism.

Besides...what did we do to make them hate us?  And even if they do, it's their fault for attacking us.

It's your fault for putting them there.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,776844,00.html
http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2001/465/465p15.htm

And for meddling in their affairs.

http://www.isreview.org/issues/07/century_of_slaughter.shtml

[slave]

This is exactly why I don't identify myself as either a "liberal" or a "conservative."  Those nebulous terms are too vague and subject to wide interpretation, and by identifying yourself with these phrases - "I'm a conservative" "I'm a liberal" - you set yourself up for reactionary and mindless outrage whever someone posts an opinion that targets liberals or conservatives.  Rather than looking at the actual issue, you see the word and, like a bull reacting to the waving of a red flag, immediately make a biased judgement on the issue without thinking.  I see this all the time.

[insomnia]

quote:Originally posted by WMD:
Besides...what did we do to make them hate us?  And even if they do, it's their fault for attacking us.

 
*Dropping bombs on innocent people.
*Having no respect for anything and insulting everyone.
*Attempting to dictate and rule the world.
*Attacking free media.
*Trying to destroy UN and EU.
...

PS: What made you think liberalism is progressive?

[ December 08, 2003: Message edited by: insomnia ]

[wargames_guru]

quote:Originally posted by insomnia:

 
*Dropping bombs on innocent people.
*Trying to destroy UN and EU.
...

Well I see you are from Belgium, so we should go easy on you since it was the U.S. that saved your butts from Hitler in WW2.
The U.N. is full of Tyrants and Dictators, just like Saddam. The u.n. should be destroyed!!

And as far as dropping bombs on people, We have a right to do anything we Please since 9-11-01 when those Islamic Loonies started this and Murdered 3,000 human beings in New York.

[ December 21, 2003: Message edited by: wargames_guru ]

[Fett101]

quote:Originally posted by wargames_guru:

Well I see you are from Belgium, so we should go easy on you since it was the U.S. that saved your butts from Hitler in WW2.
The U.N. is full of Tyrants and Dictators, just like Saddam. The u.n. should be destroyed!!

Yeah. Thank god we got off our ass after Pearl Harbor.

  :rolleyes:

[Kintaro]

Nice to see everybody is on the exact same arguments as about a year ago.

[ December 26, 2003: Message edited by: X11: I abused mod privs. ]