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Please copyright fire
« on: 5 November 2003, 10:20 »
As most of you are aware, congress has recently passed as law to allow copyright to be applied to individual works of fire, both in terms of actual fires and in terms of manufactured oxidation potential like matches and lighters.

I, for one, am glad to see justice finally served. I mean, think about it. You go through all the work to create a fire, and someone comes up to your fire and pokes a stick in it. They can then walk away, having stolen your fire, and use it for anything. Say they use it to light the ore smelter at a metals processing plant. They'd be making millions off of your fire without having to give you a DIME! Unauthorized fire transfer is exactly like walking into the original firestarter's home, stealing their VCR, TV, and all their tapes of "Earth 2," then sexually violating their household pets on the way out. It's exactly the same, and should be prosecuted as such.

There are a few drawbacks, of course. To begin with, you can't buy matches anymore; you'll license them. And of course most licenses will forbid you to give anyone else a light without first extinguishing anything you lit with the same book of matches. But isn't that worth it to protect the rights of the original firemakers?

Well, the employers of the original firemakers, actually. Most ignition is done on a "Fire for Hire" basis, meaning that the company that comissioned the firemaker gets the copyright. But still.

Now, the real problem is that of enforcement. Given all the fire out there, it's going to be nearly impossible for holders of fire copyright to track down the billions of dollars worth of pirated fire stolen every year. Lots of companies are working on developing fire that will only work with their proprietary ignition materials, but you and I both know that those ruthless fire pirates will find a way around any protections. Already they're starting to whine about how "conflagration wants to be free." Godless socialists.

The only answer, of course, is the force of law. That's why I encourage you all to write to your representatives, encouraging them to pass strict legislation outlawing the possession of any unlicensed flammable materials. The only way to stop the immoral hordes of fire pirates is to keep the tools of their brutal trade -- paper, wood, charcoal briquettes -- out of their hands. Only then can we insure a warm and well-lit future.

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« Reply #1 on: 5 November 2003, 10:30 »
Funny parody, but the analogy is off. You're comparing a natural phenomenon with a work made by man.

[ November 05, 2003: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]


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« Reply #2 on: 5 November 2003, 11:12 »
quote:
Originally posted by Laukev7:
Funny parody, but the analogy is off. You're comparing a natural phenomenon with a work made by man.

[ November 05, 2003: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]



yeah, matches and lighters just grow out of the ground. It takes work to make a fire, even more work to make a good fire. Nobody should take my fire without my permission.

actually, I would get rather pissed if someone just walked into my house, lit a stick, then left. But that would violate more laws than just stealing.

Someone once put out a fire that I made, I wonder if I could sue them for compensation as the fire had great potential... it could have made me millions. But they extinguised it and I couldn't fulfill my plans. that was a lot of work making the fire, I want compensation! I demand millions and the bastard should be jailed!


What are the laws on natural fire? is it like land, first come first serve?

[ November 05, 2003: Message edited by: Stryker ]


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« Reply #3 on: 5 November 2003, 22:42 »
quote:
Originally posted by Linux User #5225982375:
As most of you are aware, congress has recently passed as law to allow copyright to be applied to individual works of fire, both in terms of actual fires and in terms of manufactured oxidation potential like matches and lighters.

I, for one, am glad to see justice finally served. I mean, think about it. You go through all the work to create a fire, and someone comes up to your fire and pokes a stick in it. They can then walk away, having stolen your fire, and use it for anything. Say they use it to light the ore smelter at a metals processing plant. They'd be making millions off of your fire without having to give you a DIME! Unauthorized fire transfer is exactly like walking into the original firestarter's home, stealing their VCR, TV, and all their tapes of "Earth 2," then sexually violating their household pets on the way out. It's exactly the same, and should be prosecuted as such.

There are a few drawbacks, of course. To begin with, you can't buy matches anymore; you'll license them. And of course most licenses will forbid you to give anyone else a light without first extinguishing anything you lit with the same book of matches. But isn't that worth it to protect the rights of the original firemakers?

Well, the employers of the original firemakers, actually. Most ignition is done on a "Fire for Hire" basis, meaning that the company that comissioned the firemaker gets the copyright. But still.

Now, the real problem is that of enforcement. Given all the fire out there, it's going to be nearly impossible for holders of fire copyright to track down the billions of dollars worth of pirated fire stolen every year. Lots of companies are working on developing fire that will only work with their proprietary ignition materials, but you and I both know that those ruthless fire pirates will find a way around any protections. Already they're starting to whine about how "conflagration wants to be free." Godless socialists.

The only answer, of course, is the force of law. That's why I encourage you all to write to your representatives, encouraging them to pass strict legislation outlawing the possession of any unlicensed flammable materials. The only way to stop the immoral hordes of fire pirates is to keep the tools of their brutal trade -- paper, wood, charcoal briquettes -- out of their hands. Only then can we insure a warm and well-lit future.




What a brutal lie!
Some parts of your fire are stolen from my fire.
I'll sue you for this! (using better lawyers than SCO)
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« Reply #4 on: 9 November 2003, 12:33 »
well what if a forst fire starts on your land and spreads into their land, they are using my damn fire without my permission and I would demand that they return the fire back to me
just say know

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« Reply #5 on: 11 November 2003, 06:43 »
quote:
Originally posted by Laukev7:
Funny parody, but the analogy is off. You're comparing a natural phenomenon with a work made by man.



A natural phenomenon like water?

TVclip(not a joke)=>
http://www.11.be/campagnes/2003/materiaal/multimedia/tvspot.mpeg

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« Reply #6 on: 11 November 2003, 06:51 »
OK, but what's your point? Water is a limited ressource, and thus not comparable to fire, or even music.

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« Reply #7 on: 12 November 2003, 04:44 »
quote:
Originally posted by Laukev7:
Water is a limited ressource, and thus not comparable to fire, or even music.


They're all limited.
Without water those other things cant exist.
But that's not the point.

It's all about public wealth VS personal wealth.
Patents take the wealth away from the public to give  
it to a few persons.

PS: Bill Gates's wealth VS public wealth=>
http://philip.greenspun.com/WealthClock
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
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