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[skyman8081]

Politics are only good to get people pissed off.

according to the common definition of an internet troll from WikiPedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

a troll can be one who:
 

quote: intentionally naive or politically contentious messages

[Laukev7]

quote: I think Laukev7 should be mod for the Lounge.

Thanks, but I already AM a moderator for the Lounge.    

Anyway, my stance on this...

I don't agree that politics should be outlawed on Microsuck. Let's face it, these days people are much more interested in discussing politics than the latest Microsoft antic or Windows security breach, and for good reasons. Of course, the topics will be heated, but we simply can't stop people from discussing the important issues just because it makes people angry.

As for you, Solaris...

The problem is not that you post about politics as much as how you approach the topic. As Tux said, this is a serious forum, and a certain level of decorum has to be respected.

You should be more succinct when talking about politics, especially when the issue is not the main topic of the forum. You tend to repeat yourself and unnecessarily quote sentences only to add irrelevant or repetitive answers. Just stick to the main point.

Also, you need to work on your spelling, and especially on the quote tags. There's nothing wrong in editing posts just to make corrections, I do it all the time. And when you edit more than once, delete the 'edited by' part at the bottom of post, as the lines pile up and make your post even longer.

[ July 10, 2004: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]

[solarismka]

quote:Originally posted by Laukev7:


Thanks, but I already AM a moderator for the Lounge.      

Hehe  didn't know

 

quote:

As for you, Solaris...

The problem is not that you post about politics as much as how you approach the topic. As Tux said, this is a serious forum, and a certain level of decorum has to be respected.

When it comes to spelling and grammer its not very importantto me so I usually just skip it.  What is important to me is the content of the message.

When we talk about politics and the like of Bush its always defending the obvious.  Stating bush is not like hitler or is goverment isn't or something.  More however these are posted as the starting thread.  I just then post why that is incorrect.  Of course I have seen these threads repeat themselves so I inturn repost the information in those repeated threads to why that is incorrect.


Warning ->  the following is just an exsample to what has been going on.  It is to explain my position and has NOTHING to do with the mod selection.  Since someone had posted their position on me I thought this would be the best way to explain it since that is a current post that is going on and seems to be in question.

Stuff like why The U.S. can change the Iraqi flag is definnatly going to be heated but then in that same thread where it is quite proven why the U.S. has no such power to do so they repeat what they said from the beginning.  Then all of a suddent I got posts on how I was posting too many posts on Bush/911/Iraq etc when in fact I was not.  I was responding to the primary post in that tread that was about those subjects.  

Thats basicaly how I see it anyways.  I did NOT mean to offend anyone.  But if you are going to deny a peace of history and fact no less you can't blame another person from correcting it.

Heck if I was gonna go up to someone and state that the holocaust didn't exist it would make me look like an idiot.  I did do something of a sort as a kind of a joke but most didn't get that point anyways.

But in any case thanks for the input.

[ July 10, 2004: Message edited by: kn0wn ]

[Laukev7]

I edited my post. Please see above.

[solarismka]

quote:Originally posted by Sauron is ALWAY on-topic:
Solaris, you're a great guy.

but, to be honest, I would not trust you to moderate a forum as open as the lounge.

well I would not sensor you if that is what you are thinking.  I just meant pointless rants against other users without any kind of basis.  Thats all.

 

quote:
I don't want you to repeat my mistakes at other forums, of going on a power trip and getting people pissed off at you and the forum.

don't be like me.

-Sauron

The only time I do that is when someone is trying to say I was doing someting I was not or when one user unfirly attacks the other user and then wonders why he himself is getting attacked.  Anyways I see nothing wrong with you, so far you seem to be a really nice guy!

[solarismka]

quote:Originally posted by JimmyJames: GenSTEP Founder:


not gonna make another attack on ya, dude... we've had enough of that, but...

Yea I agree.  We are both fedup with it.

 

quote:
as I've said before. it's not your place to come up with your own definition of troll and then try to force it on people. that's why everybody got so mad at you!

Ahh now THAT makes sence.

[qouote]
You got it in your head that a "troll" was pretty much whatever you said. We can't have this if you're gonna be a moderator. You go by the established rules, and NEVER make up your own.

So... it'd be a good idea to stop with your troll obsession and simmer just a little, then things will be allright :-D[/QUOTE]

Ah ok.  Now then.  Just let me explain.  I didn't come up with it all by myself.  I've taken what a troll is through other forums and such.  To me it does make sence in that in a community where we are talking about a subject like M$, why would anyone sighn up and then make up a thread that is going to make a lot of people upset.

Like take this given exsample.

Lets say I made up a forum that stated why tomatos are bad and the proven reasons and facts that state why those tomatos are bad and also offer an alternative like oranges.  Well a typical troll would sighn up and start stating tomatos rock on an anti-tomato sight no less

EDIT:  I have nothing against tomatos! I love it in ketchp, allthough I don't know if i'd count ketchup as a vegetable, )

Characteristics of a troll is always an attack on a subject or a person.  Why the 'anti-tomato' group sucks or whatever.

I compounded spelling and grammer.  Beceause no matter what troll I run into on whatever community posting whatever offensive thing, they allways makwe an attack on spelling and grammer.  Usually because there was no orginal point of the main post of the thread anyways.  

I was just looking at it as a logical prospective since I do care alot about this community and I think that this is a VERY great site and forum!  If anything it is this fourm I use when I'm confronted with someone that repeats the same m$ FUD over and over again!  There is very valuble information here!  Even in the lounge.

Because there are so many bush threads and it has been deeply discussed we can see the points and the counter points of each conversation.  I do however believe that most discussions in the lounge has not been light harted as of late.  

So maby that is part of the problem, I don't know.  

So Jimmy James.  Thanks for you input and making light of the situation.  

[xyle_one]

I do hope everyone remembers where they are at. Look at the address in the browser, look at the icons and text everywhere.





I don't see anything about this being a politics discussion board. Its about moving from MS to "other", switching from Windows to a different, and perhaps better OS. Its about computers. Its not about Bush. I see no reason why there should be politics discussed on this board. The only argument is that the Lounge is open and free, and we should be able to talk about anything in there. Well, to be frank, fuck that shit. I always thought the lounge existed to escape serious discussion and to just fuck around. Maybe I am wrong, but I seriousely doubt it. You wouldnt want this place to lose focus like erudition did. Bad things happen. I feel that it would be a good idea to ban political threads and discussion from the MES.

[Stilly]

i dont know about outlawing politics but we should try to keep some kind of rule, like for every post in politics try to have about 4 or 5 in other categories.

not so much a rule as a guidline

[solarismka]

I'm not even going to bother.  Like jj and I have just stated we are both sick of it.  I've just explainied my side and again you are repeating quirks accusations without any kind of proof.  Your just saying I'm a bad guy just because I do not think and act just like you.  Not everyone in the world is going to agree with you  :rolleyes:  

Quite frankly if you are sick of the *BS* then don't post it and stay on topic!  Teh topic is who is to be mod of the lounge!  Its nothing to do with that idiotic rhetoric!  Get over yourself!  :rolleyes:

[solarismka]

quote:Originally posted by xyle_one:
I do hope everyone remembers where they are at. Look at the address in the browser, look at the icons and text everywhere.





I don't see anything about this being a politics discussion board. Its about moving from MS to "other", switching from Windows to a different, and perhaps better OS. Its about computers. Its not about Bush. I see no reason why there should be politics discussed on this board. The only argument is that the Lounge is open and free, and we should be able to talk about anything in there. Well, to be frank, fuck that shit. I always thought the lounge existed to escape serious discussion and to just fuck around. Maybe I am wrong, but I seriousely doubt it. You wouldnt want this place to lose focus like erudition did. Bad things happen. I feel that it would be a good idea to ban political threads and discussion from the MES.

We could get rid of the lounge completly.  That would solve the arguments of off topic arguments in an already off topic section.

or call it something else?  maby a place like movie reviews and stuff.  Or something.

[ July 10, 2004: Message edited by: kn0wn ]

[Laukev7]

I will say it again, I strongly oppose banning politics from the MES. I am resonably certain that the Webmaster, who started the forum in the first place (and political as he is), would condemn such an initiative.

[ July 10, 2004: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]

[xyle_one]

quote:Originally posted by kn0wn:


We could get rid of the lounge completly.  That would solve the arguments of off topic arguments in an already off topic section.

or call it something else?  maby a place like movie reviews and stuff.  Or something.

[ July 10, 2004: Message edited by: kn0wn ]

Off topic is fine. Serious political debate is not. You want to talk about that shit, go somewhere else.

[Laukev7]

quote: Off topic is fine. Serious political debate is not. You want to talk about that shit, go somewhere else.

As long as I moderate the Lounge, politics will not be censored.

[xyle_one]

quote:Originally posted by Laukev7:
I will say it again, I strongly oppose banning politics from the MES. I am resonably certain that the Webmaster, who started the forum in the first place (and political as he is), would condemn such an initiative.

[ July 10, 2004: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]

How do you not see that politics has no place on a comptuer forum?

[hm_murdock]

quote:I will say it again, I strongly oppose banning politics from the MES. I am resonably certain that the Webmaster, who started the forum in the first place (and political as he is), would condemn such an initiative.

he doesn't care. we could turn this into the "Microsoft Lovers Society" and he wouldn't give a shit.