Anti Aliased fonts kick ass!!!!!

[preacher]

I just installed Mozilla 1.3 today after using 1.0 for quite a while. I had no idea that anti aliased fonts looked so damn good. My website looks so much better. Sorry all the mac guys I insulted because they loved their anti aliased fonts, I didnt know any better.

[xyle_one]

man, when i do anything web related on my mac it looks fan-fucking-tastic, then i go to work, or show someone on there windows machines, it looks like shit. Go Anti-Aliased Fonts!    

[slave]

Best AA'd fonts I've ever seen:

Red Hat Linux 9 (freetype 2.1.3) with bitstream vera fonts

[Pantso]

The same here. Yesterday, I viewed the promote-opensource.org page on a Windows machine and IE 5.5 and it looked awful! Anti-aliased fonts certainly do kick ass.  

[billy_gates]

quote:Originally posted by Linux User #5225982375:
Best AA'd fonts I've ever seen:

Red Hat Linux 9 (freetype 2.1.3) with bitstream vera fonts

I've seen those Redhat 9 Antialiased fonts look good, better than before but don't compare to OSX.

[slave]

http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/ttf-bitstream-vera/1.10/

Download those fonts and install them in your ~/.fonts directory.  Then go under font preferences and change the fonts to those.  It would be a lie to say OS X looks much better than that!

[billy_gates]

quote:Originally posted by Linux User #5225982375:
http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/ttf-bitstream-vera/1.10/

Download those fonts and install them in your ~/.fonts directory.  Then go under font preferences and change the fonts to those.  It would be a lie to say OS X looks much better than that!

havn't tried to boot into linux in a while, recently sacrificed its swap partition to install BeOS.  I'm not sure if it can detect that the swap is gone and reformat it.  Or if it will just give an error.  We shall see.

Do you have screenshots.  I also find it strange how you need specific fonts to look good, in OSX it makes all fonts look good.

[slave]

Here's my desktop showing off some fonts:

http://www.gothar.netfirms.com/desktop.png

OS X comes with some high quality fonts; try installing some lame X fonts like helvetica and sans and you'll see the difference.  They are fuzzier and don't hint well at small sizes.

edit: you'll have to wget the image; netfirms uses referrer tricks

[ May 03, 2003: Message edited by: Linux User #5225982375 ]

[billy_gates]

quote:Originally posted by Linux User #5225982375:
Here's my desktop showing off some fonts:

http://www.gothar.netfirms.com/desktop.png

OS X comes with some high quality fonts; try installing some lame X fonts like helvetica and sans and you'll see the difference.  They are fuzzier and don't hint well at small sizes.

edit: you'll have to wget the image; netfirms uses referrer tricks

[ May 03, 2003: Message edited by: Linux User #5225982375 ]

It so pissed me off when OSX didn't come with wget, but I liked it so much I installed it with fink a while ago so no biggy.

I think helvetica looks great in OSX, I use that for just about everything.

I still think OSX looks better, the antialising there makes everything look like it is bold and everything that is not bold doesn't look very good.  For example, look at the text in your minimized windows and the text in your address bar in Mozilla.  Its antialiased, but I don't think it looks very good.  I have a screenshot comparing some certain things with arrows to directly connect important items.
http://www.skinner.com/jeffberg/files/aacompare.jpg
You can't honestly say after that that OSX's AA is inferiror to X11's or gnome or whatever AA's in Linux.

I don't want to fight with you, just my preference vs yours.  this is not the kind of material for a flame war so I don't want to start one.

[slave]

I personally think the fonts in that OS X screenshot look awefully fuzzy at small sizes.  But I am a biased freetype supporter so don't take what I say too seriously.  It may look better on your screen anyway since you might be using some fancy LCD display, wheras I use a CRT one.

And a note: "Helvetica" on OS X is most likely a high quality truetype font, not the rubbishy font that ships with X.  They are both named the same but I'm pretty sure X's helvetica is totally different.

[ May 04, 2003: Message edited by: Linux User #5225982375 ]

[billy_gates]

quote:Originally posted by Linux User #5225982375:
I personally think the fonts in that OS X screenshot look awefully fuzzy at small sizes.  But I am a biased freetype supporter so don't take what I say too seriously.  It may look better on your screen anyway since you might be using some fancy LCD display, wheras I use a CRT one.

And a note: "Helvetica" on OS X is most likely a high quality truetype font, not the rubbishy font that ships with X.  They are both named the same but I'm pretty sure X's helvetica is totally different.

[ May 04, 2003: Message edited by: Linux User #5225982375 ]

I see what you mean, and ur right, some do look sort of fuzzy, I have a crt as well.  That is my own fault though.  OSX has a setting.  The smallest font size that u want it to antialiase.  It has 8, 9, 10, 11, and 12 as the options.  I love AA even on small stuff though and I went into the preferences file and changed it to 2.  So fonts that aren't supposed to be AA'd are.  Also, this is just something I noticed, when I was reading
 

quote:And a note: "Helvetica" on OS X is most likely a high quality truetype font, not the rubbishy font that ships with X.  They are both named the same but I'm pretty sure X's helvetica is totally different.

It sounded like u said OSX Helvetica is different than OSX helvetica, because X always means OSX to me anyway.  So I think it would help everyone on the MES if we would use OSX and X11 instead of X cus it can be confusing at times.

So, I am glad we are done disagreeing on which system AA's better.  Just imagine 10-15 years ago when the Mac OS was just getting popular, X11 was just getting developed into something useful and Windows was getting started.  no one even knew what AA'ing was.  Its not crucial to the system, in fact it is anticrucial, it slows it down a little.  But it just looks so damn good.  As per the title of this thread "Anti Aliased fonts kick ass!!!!!!"

[flap]

A good font shouldn't need to be anti-aliased. AA fonts look pretty but ultimately can just end up giving you a headache.

[billy_gates]

quote:Originally posted by flap:
A good font shouldn't need to be anti-aliased. AA fonts look pretty but ultimately can just end up giving you a headache.

I disagree with the headache thing.  I get migranes from a lot of things, too much sun, not enough food, not enough sleep, glare, etc.  I have never gotten a headache from using AA'ed fonts all day, hell I use AA'ed fonts all day.  They are easier on my eyes because they look more natural.  Blocky text looks like its on a computer, AA'ed text looks like it is someone with absolutely perfect handwriting.