P2P might become illegal.

[Laukev7]

http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,59654,00.html

Now you won't be allowed to transfer even legal stuff.

But on the other hand, what's the point of using p2p for legal stuff anyway, when you can download the demo/shareware/linux/ on the website anyway.

Edit: I misread the article. It said only for copyright copyright content. So I guess it's still safe to transfer stuff like OpenOffice.

[ July 17, 2003: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]

[xyle_one]

who transfers legal stuff with p2p? people like a free lunch, and p2p gave the the opportunity to skip out on the bill with ease. The people in power, the money men, need to maintain a level of control, and p2p was loosening their grip. too bad we used it to pirate music and software. oh, im sorry, "sharing" music & software. It was bound to happen. Soon, with firewalls, tcpa, palladium, drm, and illegal p2p. we will have no control over our computers. Maybe that is a good idea since we seem to use the internet only for porn and to get free, well, everything. It should have been used as it was meant to be used. A way to share information. whoops, we did it to ourselves. maybe instead of stealing software, we could have been using the free software, heloing to create better software, or creating music for tpeople to listen to instead of trying to make a buck. it is disgusting. [/pointless, rambling, rant]

[slave]

Unbeknowest to you all, I have invented a matter-copier that can copy any object using only hydrogen as fuel!  Why just yesterday, ecsyle, while you were out of your house I walked in and copied your Mac.  I'm using it as we speak.  I didn't think you'd mind, since I don't see how it affects you at all.  As a matter of fact I think I'll copy your car and your stereo system next week...  After that I'll use this device to destroy the American capitalist economy by giving away extremely expensive items for free! HA HA HA HA HAHAHAHA!  And nobody can stop me!

[xyle_one]

quote:Originally posted by Linux User #5225982375:
Unbeknowest to you all, I have invented a matter-copier that can copy any object using only hydrogen as fuel!  Why just yesterday, ecsyle, while you were out of your house I walked in and copied your Mac.  I'm using it as we speak.  I didn't think you'd mind, since I don't see how it affects you at all.  As a matter of fact I think I'll copy your car and your stereo system next week...  After that I'll use this device to destroy the American capitalist economy by giving away extremely expensive items for free! HA HA HA HA HAHAHAHA!  And nobody can stop me!

word. could you , uh, go and copy me a new acura rsx? i like that car. maybe a new pc too  

wait a minute... is that right? no. not in our world. in our society based on money & profit, it is wrong. but, "we shouldn't live in that society, some of you might say". yes, i agree. but stealing from it will not change it. it will only tighten their grip. we have to make them choose to live our way, and maybe we could even force it on them    . open source software goes against the way our world works and i love that. it might bring change. good change too  

[Stryker]

quote:Originally posted by ecsyle:951:

word. could you , uh, go and copy me a new acura rsx?

It'd be intresting to see them sue you for making such a request.

Some would argue that that is not a copyright issue though, rather a patent issue. Although I do agree with you. Just don't make 10,000 of them and give them away. make 1 or 2 for your friends.

[Laukev7]

Not to rain on your parade, but it would not only ruin the capitalistic system, I'm afraid.

You should not forget that we need substance to transform to duplicate matter. One way or another, we would need a system to limit the use of such an invention, or we might end up transfoming the whole planet. If six billion people started reproducing matter, this would happen in no time.

[Stryker]

quote:Originally posted by Laukev7:
Not to rain on your parade, but it would not only ruin the capitalistic system, I'm afraid.

You should not forget that we need substance to transform to duplicate matter. One way or another, we would need a system to limit the use of such an invention, or we might end up transfoming the whole planet. If six billion people started reproducing matter, this would happen in no time.

So you are running on the fear that we will run out of mass storage devices?

[Laukev7]

quote: So you are running on the fear that we will run out of mass storage devices?

That was not the point I was making. I was questioning the technical merits of a matter duplicator, which is an entirely different point than the ethics of that practice.

[Stryker]

We can turn matter into energy (burning it) why can't we be authorized to do the opposite?

[Laukev7]

quote: We can turn matter into energy (burning it) why can't we be authorized to do the opposite?

I already said that I was discussing the technical implications of such a practice (at least for now).

And one is only authorised to burn what belongs to him.

If you must know, if such a device was implemented, we couldn't be certain anymore that we should be authorised to transform a piece of vital ressource (our planet) without a very long debate on that issue.

[M51DPS]

It was never specified how the matter duplicater actually works. Perhaps it changes the hydrogen fuel into whatever it's duplicating. I prefer the explanation that it works by "magic" myself.

[Laukev7]

quote:Originally posted by M51DPS:
It was never specified how the matter duplicater actually works. Perhaps it changes the hydrogen fuel into whatever it's duplicating. I prefer the explanation that it works by "magic" myself.

It CANNOT work by magic. This breaks Lavoisier's law of mass conservation.

http://dbhs.wvusd.k12.ca.us/Equations/Conserv-of-Mass.html

There is no other way to duplicate matter than transforming existing matter into something else. And don't give me your rhetoric about transforming energy into matter; it amounts to the same thing I said above. Anything you transform into matter or energy, you have to take it somewhere.

[ July 17, 2003: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]

[TheKnifeThrower]

quote:Originally posted by Linux User #5225982375:
Unbeknowest to you all, I have invented a matter-copier that can copy any object using only hydrogen as fuel!  Why just yesterday, ecsyle, while you were out of your house I walked in and copied your Mac.  I'm using it as we speak.  I didn't think you'd mind, since I don't see how it affects you at all.  As a matter of fact I think I'll copy your car and your stereo system next week...  After that I'll use this device to destroy the American capitalist economy by giving away extremely expensive items for free! HA HA HA HA HAHAHAHA!  And nobody can stop me!

Of course it doesn't affect him. He still has all his stuff. But what about the creators of his stuff? Shouldn't they be paid for all the hard work which went into creating the stuff.

[mobrien_12]

quote:Originally posted by ecsyle:951:
who transfers legal stuff with p2p?

BitTorrent's main use was do allow people to download Linux ISO images.

[xyle_one]

quote:Originally posted by M. O'Brien:


BitTorrent's main use was do allow people to download Linux ISO images.

oh. i didn't know that.