the pro bush thread

[flap]

quote:it would be accurate to surmise that they ment nothing. after all, the question i was responding to did not relate to anyone i know of...

Who do you not know of? The PNAC? Bush?

 

quote:basic economics...law of supply and demand. duh.

What does that mean?

[solarismka]

quote:

   


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Any barbarian Nazi will love bush.  So thats a positive I guess.

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quote:killing billions of people is about equal to killing the entire populations of china AND india. you, sir, are mistaken.

He has killed millions of Afgan men and women.  Hes gone after Iraq killion millions of civilians there and he killed his own people on sept/11!

 

quote:it's amazing how you are responding in this thread! it's the most bullshit this forum has ever seen! dude:

Oh yes, its all bullshit!  What am I talking about? ONLY him dominiating countries, puting people in camps , calling them terrorists, taking awway peoples rights!  

Now you no longer have to have a search warrent to search someones home!  You don't even have to be there!  They can enter with/without you!

They can press charges against you and not provide any evedence and they can call you a terrorist simply because one is brown skinned and believes in th muslim faith.  But hay i'm just making all that up right, just like the jews made up hitler!

Yes the holocaust did happen and its happening now!  Just because the flag states "Made in America" DOES NOT give the right for america to act like nazi germany!

 

quote:the holocaust happened. hitler killed millions. you can go to the "camps" where it happened, speak to survivors, and read literature about it (the book Night comes to mind)

Yes, the holocaust DID happen.  Hitler DID kill millions, so did bush!  he IS no different and should not be exused simply because hes american!

[solarismka]

quote:basic economics...law of supply and demand. duh.

Its not about 'supply and demand.'  You DID go to war because of

A.) Drugs!

B.) Oil

That there are the two things that run the total U.S. economy!  I should know I used to be a day trader!  The fact is that if you had of won the war on Iraq then things would have been different.

But not only did you not show any evedence that there were WMD's but the middle east could not beleive how thick headed you've became thinking you could actualy defeat them.

Thus two things happend.  No longer is the U.S. the most super power of the planet but also is suprisingly week!  

OPEC is now taking advantage of that!  Why not!  I'd do the same!

If the U.S. DID succead in their plan then the U.S. would hold all the cards and truly be the most dominant power.  Its a chip that bush thought he could go for.  Winning means that NO COUNTRY in Europe or Asia can challenge the U.S. and thus enforce its domin onto the markets!

I'm downloading "The truth and Lies of 9/11."  After I have done that i'll host the file so others can download it.  I also recommend those that are p2p'ing to down load it as well.  Its VERY educational.  Stays away from the conspiracy theroies and the speaker does back up what he says.


This is his website

http://copvcia.com/ .

[Paladin9]

Maybe you could explain this, Siplus?



That is Rumsfeld and Saddam shaking hands.  Saddam used to be our ally!

[Siplus]

quote:Who do you not know of? The PNAC? Bush?

i know lots of people. i know OF many more. i do not know or know OF the PNAC...i didn't even know what it was so i google'd it before i made my last responce. i don't know bush, but i know OF bush. any other questions about who i know of?

 

quote:What does that mean?

as supply increases, price decreases and vice versa. this means that if they lower supply they will raise prices, and like any good business would do, OPEC isn't going to increase oil production just because we ask them to.

 

quote:Any barbarian Nazi will love bush. So thats a positive I guess.

actually, a barbarian, by definition, would hate all civilized nations, so would then hate not only bush, but also you and me. why would a nazi love bush, who is of a nation that overthrew hitler?

you need to get your vocabulary straight before you make half-assed attempts of adding to this dismal "conversation" that is doing nothing but showing that most of the memebers of this forum do not have a strong grasp on reality and watch too much CNN.

 

quote:He has killed millions of Afgan men and women. Hes gone after Iraq killion millions of civilians there and he killed his own people on sept/11!

while he did send troops into afganistan and iraq, he has not been responsible for billions of deaths. that would be impossible. i doubt that there are a 2 or more billion people in the middle-east. i would doubt that a million people died because of bush, but rather, thousands die because of their beliefs said that they must kill themselves to kill the 'infidels' which i assume would be you and me.

 

quote:Oh yes, its all bullshit!

most of it
 

quote:What am I talking about?

hell if i know

 

quote:ONLY him dominiating countries, puting people in camps , calling them terrorists, taking awway peoples rights!

Now you no longer have to have a search warrent to search someones home! You don't even have to be there! They can enter with/without you!

They can press charges against you and not provide any evedence and they can call you a terrorist simply because one is brown skinned and believes in th muslim faith.

i don't like the patriot act to begin with, but do i need to remind you that it was passed by CONGRESS? do you even know how the US government works? the president does not have much legislative power. the american population has some skewed view of the president thinking that he has ultimate power in the government, when in fact he doesn't.

 

quote: But hay i'm just making all that up right, just like the jews made up hitler!

why do you keep trying to say that the jews "made up hitler" or are making up the holocaust? are you that dumb? this only supports my claims that many of you are completely ignorant.

 

quote:Yes the holocaust did happen and its happening now! Just because the flag states "Made in America" DOES NOT give the right for america to act like nazi germany!

no, actually the holocaust ended when WWII ended. go back to gradeschool and pick up a history book. you need it.

 

quote:Yes, the holocaust DID happen. Hitler DID kill millions, so did bush! he IS no different and should not be exused simply because hes american!

wow, you are contradicting yourself in your very own post. very good, you realize the obviousness of the truth of the holocaust, however your sight is somewhat foggy as to what is happening in recent history. instead of going to a history book, maybe you should read some news (non-liberal news that is...)

people: if you want to make a point, please make it and stop acting like 6 year olds and posting crap for the sake of looking like you are insulting/adding to the discussion. if you have something to say, say it, but do not deviate from the truth. opinions are easy to state in a contradictory manner and this is why we are typeing back and forth to each other, but please: if you want to speak, educate yourself first.

[solarismka]

here is something!

 

quote:
 Yves Cochet
Le Monde (Paris)
March 31, 2004
http://www.lemonde.fr/web/article/0,1-0@2-3232,36-359335,0.html

(Translated from Le Monde, Paris by Mark K. Jensen, Associate Professor of French, Chair, Department of Languages and Literatures, Pacific Lutheran University, Tacoma, WA. - Webpage: http//:http://www.plu.edu/~jensenmk/ )

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In a few years, the global production of conventional oil will fall, while the global demand continues to rise. The resulting shock of this structural oil famine is inevitable, so great are the dependency of our economies on cheap oil and, related to the first, our inability to wean ourselves from this dependency in a short period of time.

We can hope to soften the shock, but only if its imminence immediately becomes the unique reference point for a general mobilization of our societies, with, as a consequence, drastic consequences in every sector. The alternative is chaos. This prospect is based on the work of the American geologist King Hubbert, who predicted in 1956 the peak in US domestic production of oil in 1970. This occurred exactly as predicted.

Transposing Hubbert's approach today to other countries has given similar predictive results: at present, the production of every giant oilfield -- and only the giant ones matter -- is in decline, except in the "black triangle" of Iraq-Iran-Saudi Arabia.

The Hubbert's peak of the oil-producing Middle East should be reached around 2010, depending on the more or less rapid recovery of full Iraqi production and the growth rate of demand in China.

The sectors most affected by the steady rise in the price of crude oil will be, first, aviation and intensive agriculture, since the price of jet fuel for one, and of nitrogenous fertilizer as well as diesel fuel for the other, are directly linked to the price of crude oil.

This will occur unless stabilizing policies are used -- for a time and in some other sectors -- to lower taxes on oil as prices rise. But afterwards ground transport, tourism, the petrochemical industry, and the automotive industry will feel the depressive effects of a reduction in the quantity of oil (depletion). To what extent will this situation lead to a general recession? No one knows, but the blindness of politicians and the usual panicked overreaction of markets allows us to fear the worst.

This unavoidable prophecy is being universally ignored, denied, or underestimated. Rare are those who realize exactly how close and how great is its advent. Michael Meacher, formerly UK minister of the environment (1997-2003), wrote recently in the Financial Times that unless there is a general awakening and decisions at the planetary scale to bring radical change in the domain of energy, "civilization will confront the most acute and no doubt most violent upheaval in recent history."

If, in spite of everything, we want to maintain a bit of humanity in life on Earth in the 2010s, we ought, as the geologist Colin Campbell has suggested, to call on the United Nations to agree immediately on the following: to guarantee that poor countries will still be able to import a little oil; to forbid oil profiteering; to encourage saving energy; to promote renewable sources of energy. In order to attain these objectives, this universal agreement should impose the following measures: every State must regulate oil imports and exports; no oil-exporting country may produce more oil than its annual depletion, scientifically calculated, allows; every State must reduce its oil imports to an agreed-upon global depletion rate.

This necessary priority granted to physical econometrics will not suit economists and politicians, especially in America. No government of the United States has ever accepted questioning the American way of life. Since the first oil shock of 1973-1974, every American military intervention can be analyzed in the light of the fear of running short of cheap oil. It was, moreover, the American production peak in 1970 that enabled OPEC to seize the occasion and cause the first shock, which coincided with the Yom Kippur War. Countries in the West then attempted to regain control and conjure away the specter of shortage, less through energy sobriety than by means of opening oilfields in Alaska and the North Sea. In 1979, the Iranian revolution and the second oil shock once again allowed OPEC to regain preeminence, as Western economies paid dearly for their thirst for oil through the recession of subsequent years.

At the beginning of the 1980s, the financing and arming of Saddam Hussein to fight Iran was part of the American reconquest of the price and flow of oil, as was the cooperation obtained from King Fahd of Saudi Arabia to increase crude oil exports to the West. That allowed the oil price crash of 1986, a return of Western growth through unlimited oil abundance, the extension of the thirst for energy up to the Iraq wars (1991, 2003) no matter how many died from them (100,000? 300,000?), no matter how much they cost ($100 billion? $300 billion?), by no matter what means (annual Dept. of Defense budget: $400 billion).

During these same last fifteen years, the multiple conflicts in the Balkans had their source and their resolution in the American desire to keep Russia away from the oil transport routes from the Black Sea and the Caspian to the ports on the Adriatic, by way of Bulgaria, Macedonia, and Albania. Oil geopolitics authorizes any pact with Islamist devils, from central Asia to Bosnia, and all the cynical connivances with terrorists, right up to Tony Blair's recent trip to Libya to allow Shell to bring its volume of reserves in return for several hundred million dollars.

The present American Greater Middle East Initiative is dressed up in humanitarian and democratic considerations, but it is nothing but an attempt to get control once and for all of every source of oil in the region.

More than thirty years of worrying about oil has not opened the eyes of American and European leaders concerning the energy crisis that is looming just before us. Despite what Ren

[Siplus]

quote:Originally posted by Paladin9:
Maybe you could explain this, Siplus?



That is Rumsfeld and Saddam shaking hands.  Saddam used to be our ally!

explain what? first of all, it was before i was born. second of all, it was over 2 decades ago. as time progresses, people change    

i believe the key word in your statement was "used", which indicates PAST

[ May 12, 2004: Message edited by: Siplus ]

[Laukev7]

quote: The PNAC?

This is the PNAC.

Read the paragraph and the signatures. Is it all clear now?

[Paladin9]

quote:Originally posted by Siplus:
explain what? first of all, it was before i was born. second of all, it was over 2 decades ago. as time progresses, people change      

yeah, people change based on who is keeping us from getting oil.  It is all about getting oil.  Nothing else.  Fucking Saddam had NOTHING to do with 9/11.  Infact, the middle east had nothing to do with 9/11.  Afganistan is not a part of the middle east, it is a part of Asia.

[Laukev7]

quote: it was passed by CONGRESS?  

It was rushed through Congress just days after 9/11, and passed before anyone had time to read it. Interesting thing, though, is that it was drafted by Arsecroft well before the attacks.

[Siplus]

quote:Originally posted by Laukev7:


It was rushed through Congress just days after 9/11, and passed before anyone had time to read it. Interesting thing, though, is that it was drafted by Arsecroft well before the attacks.

it was? if you can provide signifigant proof of this...

[solarismka]

quote:Originally posted by Siplus:


it was? if you can provide signifigant proof of this...

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/112001_f_word.html

 

quote:

"And you should well note that, according to Representative Ron Paul (R) of Texas - as reported on November 9th by Kelly O'Meara of the Washington Times' Insight Magazine - the bill had not even been printed and members of the House could not read it before they were compelled to vote on it. O'Meara wrote, "Meanwhile, efforts to obtain copies of the new bill were stonewalled even by the committee that wrote it." Most of its provisions have nothing to do with fighting terrorism. Under this so-called anti-terrorist measure:"

[ May 12, 2004: Message edited by: -=Solaris.M.K.A=- ]

[solarismka]

Some more info!

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/index.html#civil

[solarismka]

quote:actually, a barbarian, by definition, would hate all civilized nations, so would then hate not only bush, but also you and me. why would a nazi love bush, who is of a nation that overthrew hitler?

Yes I agree, all civilized nations.  That leaves you out!

Easy.  It was a co-operation between Europ.  America sided with hitler.


 

quote:you need to get your vocabulary straight before you make half-assed attempts of adding to this dismal "conversation" that is doing nothing but showing that most of the memebers of this forum do not have a strong grasp on reality and watch too much CNN.

First off stick to the topic.  Grammar does not mean anything.  Second if we watched CNN then we'd be siding with the bush lovers out there and we dont.  We question!

   

 

quote:while he did send troops into afganistan and iraq, he has not been responsible for billions of deaths. that would be impossible. i doubt that there are a 2 or more billion people in the middle-east.

Who gives a shit how many people are there.  Nazism is wrong!

 

quote:i would doubt that a million people died because of bush, but rather, thousands die because of their beliefs said that they must kill themselves to kill the 'infidels' which i assume would be you and me.

Wow!  Thats ignorant!  So I guess all those americans that are over there killing innocent civilians are just the civilians killing themselves.  You need to get some searious profesional help.

 

quote:
i don't like the patriot act to begin with, but do i need to remind you that it was passed by CONGRESS? do you even know how the US government works? the president does not have much legislative power. the american population has some skewed view of the president thinking that he has ultimate power in the government, when in fact he doesn't.

Well I've prooven that was wrong by the links I gave. Regardless if its congress or the presedent STILL does not make it right.

 

quote:why do you keep trying to say that the jews "made up hitler" or are making up the holocaust? are you that dumb? this only supports my claims that many of you are completely ignorant.

Wow!  Just wow!  Saying bush is not dangerous.  Saying what he is doing is right is just like saying that the jews made up the hole hitler thing!  We all know it happend and we all know its wrong.  So is this situation!  Its just wrong!


 

quote:no, actually the holocaust ended when WWII ended. go back to gradeschool and pick up a history book. you need it.

Before yelling at someone to go back to grade school, I sujest you do the same!  You should of learn't from history that this time around it IS WRONG!

 ot be exused simply because hes american!

 

quote:
wow, you are contradicting yourself in your very own post. very good, you realize the obviousness of the truth of the holocaust, however your sight is somewhat foggy as to what is happening in recent history. instead of going to a history book, maybe you should read some news (non-liberal news that is...)

This is got nothing to do with left vs right.  Libs vs the repugs.  Nazism IS wrong!  Invading countries, killing people, putting innocent people behind bars!  This is what hitler did!  

Like you said!  Go back to grade school!  You will realize WHY it didn't work for hitler and isn't going to work for america!  tyrants never work out!

 

quote:people: if you want to make a point, please make it and stop acting like 6 year olds and posting crap for the sake of looking like you are insulting/adding to the discussion. if you have something to say, say it, but do not deviate from the truth. opinions are easy to state in a contradictory manner and this is why we are typeing back and forth to each other, but please: if you want to speak, educate yourself first.

I agree!  FOLLOW WHAT YOU TYPE!!! EDUCATE YOURSELF FIRST AND STOP POSTING BULLSHIT AND ACT YOUR AGE!

STOP LIEING!!!

[solarismka]

quote:

George W. Bush's grandfather, Prescott Bush, was the Managing Director of the investment bank Brown Brothers, Harriman from the 1920s through the 1940s. It was Brown Brothers, in conjunction with Averell Harriman, the Rockefeller family, Standard Oil, the DuPonts, the Morgans and the Fords who served as the principal funding arm in helping to finance Adolph Hitler's rise to power starting in 1923. This included direct funding for the SS and SA channeled through a variety of German firms. Prescott Bush, through associations with the Hamburg-Amerika Steamship line, Nazi banker Fritz Thyssen (pronounced Tee-sen), Standard Oil of Germany, The German Steel Trust (founded by Dillon Read founder, Clarence Dillon), and I.G. Farben, used the Union Bank Corporation to funnel vast quantities of money to the Nazis and to manage their American interests. The profits from those investments came back to Bush allies on Wall Street. Thyssen is universally regarded as having been Hitler's private banker and ultimate owner of the Union Bank Corporation.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/10_09_01_carlyle.html