the pro bush thread

[solarismka]

But whatever happend IN history STILL does not make what america is doing as right!

ITS STILL WRONG and THERE ARE NO EXUSES!  

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[Stilly]

quote:Originally posted by Paladin9:


yeah, people change based on who is keeping us from getting oil.  It is all about getting oil.  Nothing else.  Fucking Saddam had NOTHING to do with 9/11.  Infact, the middle east had nothing to do with 9/11.  Afganistan is not a part of the middle east, it is a part of Asia.

so you're saying the middle east is not in asia?

[Paladin9]

quote:Originally posted by The Stiller:
so you're saying the middle east is not in asia?

yes, although that is really not the point.  Iraq has nothing to do with the terrorist attacks.  War is only supposed to be used as a last resort, or if we or an ally are attacked.  War was not the last resort and we nor an ally were attacked, yet bush took us to war with Iraq anyway.

[ May 13, 2004: Message edited by: Paladin9 ]

[solarismka]

quote:Originally posted by Paladin9:


yes, although that is really not the point.  Iraq has nothing to do with the terrorist attacks.  War is only supposed to be used as a last resort, or if we or an ally are attacked.  War was not the last resort and we nor an ally were attacked, yet bush took us to war with Iraq anyway.

[ May 13, 2004: Message edited by: Paladin9 ]

VERY TRUE!!!

[Siplus]

soo many lies to dispute, so little time...

first of all, -=Solaris.M.K.A=-, how old are you? and do you know what 2+2 is?

a majority of this post is to dispute his moronic post...

 

quote:Yes I agree, all civilized nations. That leaves you out!

/sigh. do you know what civiziation is? come on now. read a fuckin dictionary.

 

quote:First off stick to the topic. Grammar does not mean anything. Second if we watched CNN then we'd be siding with the bush lovers out there and we dont. We question!

note: vocabulary != grammer!!! not only do you have no understanding of the words you are using, but you do not know how to read! i can not believe you were able to read the simple forums that were mandatory for creating an account here. i know that GRAMMER is excuseable, as well as spelling mistakes (because not all of us here are native speakers, and those who are native speakers might just type lazily just because it's online)

also:CNN is extremely anti-bush. you would like it.

 

quote:Who gives a shit how many people are there. Nazism is wrong!

i'm sensing an obsession with the nazis in you. maybe you are a nazi yourself?

 

quote:Wow! Thats ignorant! So I guess all those americans that are over there killing innocent civilians are just the civilians killing themselves. You need to get some searious profesional help.

what is ignorant about it? thousands of arabs/muslim fanatics are committing suicide to kill others. it is a fact, not ignorance. the sad part is that we must mobilize troops and kill these fanatics before THEY kill innocents. in the process i realize that some of the arab/muslim non-fanatic citizens will be killed/injured, but that is one thing that the US always tried to avoid/minimize. if we wanted to kill innocent civilians, we could have just dropped a few nukes. that, of course, would be insane.

 

quote:Well I've prooven that was wrong by the links I gave. Regardless if its congress or the presedent STILL does not make it right.

no, but it will "steal your thunder", not allowing you to blame bush for everything bad in our country. he is one man, and has SOO MUCH LESS power than congress. read a book about how the american government works and you will understand.

 

quote:Wow! Just wow! Saying bush is not dangerous. Saying what he is doing is right is just like saying that the jews made up the hole hitler thing! We all know it happend and we all know its wrong. So is this situation! Its just wrong!

actually, are you a programmer? lets compare these two strings: "what he is doing is right" and "the jews made up the hole hitler thing". nope, they do not look the same to me.

and yes, the holocaust was a horrible event in the history of the world. i'm not contesting that, so i'm confused as you why you bring it up. perhaps this supports my previous claim that you are a nazi.

 

quote:Before yelling at someone to go back to grade school, I sujest you do the same! You should of learn't from history that this time around it IS WRONG!

ot be exused simply because hes american!

from what i can make out of this garbled mess, i think you are trying to say that i need to go back to school before i tell you go back to school, even though i am IN SCHOOL. this doesn't make sense. and yes, i did "learn't from history" and i can see that hitler was a bad guy, to put it mildly.

maybe words are not making sense to you, so i guess i'll have to explain everything to you in basic equations?
bush=good guy
hitler=bad guy
you=dumb guy

get it? good.

 

quote:This is got nothing to do with left vs right. Libs vs the repugs. Nazism IS wrong! Invading countries, killing people, putting innocent people behind bars! This is what hitler did!

Like you said! Go back to grade school! You will realize WHY it didn't work for hitler and isn't going to work for america! tyrants never work out!

oh, where to start? yes, this is a battle of left vs right, because the lefts are libs, or dems, and they are the ones who hate bush with a passion, like you. and very good, you have ONCE AGAIN identified nazism. i'm astounded.

 

quote:I agree! FOLLOW WHAT YOU TYPE!!! EDUCATE YOURSELF FIRST AND STOP POSTING BULLSHIT AND ACT YOUR AGE!

um. follow what i type??

i am educating myself. everyday. i live for knowledge and it is what i strive for most. i love learning. also, i'm not posting bullshit. my posts have a point (to refute your moronic statements).

if i was acting my age, i would not be wasting my time with you. i am acting "older" than my age. i would be willing to bet that not many 17 year olds would have the patience to deal with you people (well, most people here aren't so bad...not half as bad as you)

 

quote:STOP LIEING!!!

i'm not. you are. you stop lieing :-p

 

quote:so you're saying the middle east is not in asia?

i think he's refering to main asia vs middle east. they are both part of asia, but we refer to the middle east so often that we make it into its own region sorta. it's like the "mac vs pc" argument. they are both personal computers, but we call mac something else and it is understood.

 

quote:yes, although that is really not the point. Iraq has nothing to do with the terrorist attacks. War is only supposed to be used as a last resort, or if we or an ally are attacked. War was not the last resort and we nor an ally were attacked, yet bush took us to war with Iraq anyway.

war was the last resort. for 12+ years the UN was trying to deal with sadam (but the UN showed its weakness: the inability to act...). how long did you want it to draw out? untill sadam died of natural causes?

[ May 13, 2004: Message edited by: Siplus ]

[Laukev7]

quote:  he is one man, and has SOO MUCH LESS power than congress.

Bush is an utter imbecile, but he's nothing but a puppet. The people who are really dangerous are the neoconservatives beneath him who control everything, such as Arsecroft, Cheney, Feith, Wolfowitz, Perle, Dumbsfeld, Rice and all the other PNAC cronies.

 

quote: war was the last resort.

Last resort for what? Finding weapons they knew didn't exist?

http://100777.com/node/view/589

[ May 13, 2004: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]

[Xeen]

laukev, maybe you can help me with something about the Patriot Act.

Whenever people criticize the Patriot Act, the neocons respond by claiming that Clinton and the democrats tried to make a law very similar to the patriot act 10 years ago. Is this true?

[Steinmetz]

All the Democrats in Congress voted for the Patriot Act and the Iraq war.  I think what we should do is cut and run.  We'll give Saddam Hussein to the Iraqis who will probably aquit him and make him dictator of Iraq again.  After that there will be genocide on the level of Hitler and Stalin like there was before in Iraq.  There will be civil war in Iraq, mainly between the Shiites and Sunnis.  Since most of Saddam's weapons had been destroyed, the Shiites would think it was now their chance to create a second Iran.  The Iraqi Shiites will be supported by Iran and the Iraqi Sunnis will be supported by Sunnis in other countries like Syria, Saudi Arabia, the Taliban, Al Qaeda, etc.  It will be one of the greatest blood baths the world has ever seen and we will have saved billions of dollars in the process.

[ May 13, 2004: Message edited by: Steinmetz ]

[Siplus]

quote:Originally posted by Steinmetz:
All the Democrats in Congress voted for the Patriot Act and the Iraq war.  I think what we should do is cut and run.  We'll give Saddam Hussein to the Iraqis who will probably aquit him and make him dictator of Iraq again.  After that there will be genocide on the level of Hitler and Stalin like there was before in Iraq.  There will be civil war in Iraq, mainly between the Shiites and Sunnis.  Since most of Saddam's weapons had been destroyed, the Shiites would think it was now their chance to create a second Iran.  The Iraqi Shiites will be supported by Iran and the Iraqi Sunnis will be supported by Sunnis in other countries like Syria, Saudi Arabia, the Taliban, Al Qaeda, etc.  It will be one of the greatest blood baths the world has ever seen and we will have saved billions of dollars in the process.

[ May 13, 2004: Message edited by: Steinmetz ]

are you joking?

so, assuming you are not, you are saying that thousands/millions of lives are worth saving us a few measily billion dollars?

[Laukev7]

quote:Originally posted by xeen:
laukev, maybe you can help me with something about the Patriot Act.

Whenever people criticize the Patriot Act, the neocons respond by claiming that Clinton and the democrats tried to make a law very similar to the patriot act 10 years ago. Is this true?

I have never heard of such an initiative before, and I don't know too much about Clinton. However, with my newfound free time, I have researched about the legislations passed by Clinton. Uunfortunately it appears that their claims are correct, and the bill looks every bit as bad as the PATRIOT Act.

http://nsi.org/Library/Terrorism/rites.htm

Upon further research it would seem that Clinton was also responsible for legislations like the DMCA and the TDA, which allowed further mergers of mainstream media corporations:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telecom_Reform_Act

I'm saddened to find out that he also cracked down on same-sex marriage (though not to the extent of the Bush Administration):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Act

However, that does not mean that the PATRIOT Act and the scores of anticonstitutional legislations from the Bush administration should not be condemned. Clinton is not spotless by any extent, but Bush has done much more to destroy individual freedoms in the United States than any other president.

[ May 13, 2004: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]

[Siplus]

quote:However, that does not mean that the PATRIOT Act and the scores of anticonstitutional legislations from the Bush administration should not be condemned. Clinton is not spotless by any extent, but Bush has done much more to destroy individual freedoms in the United States than any other president.

of course you know i'm going to rebute that statement, and i'm sure you have heard it already.

so, i'm going to take another spin on this one, just because it reminded me of what one of our first presidents did.

history lesson (triva, more like it...) for non-american citizens/american citizens who don't know much about the american goverment:

i think it was john adams (#2 president), but this was the best i could find in the 3 minutes i looked:
http://www.studyworld.com/John_Adams_Critical_Review.htm

what happened during his presidency: freedom of speech was removed, as well as other things in that short article. there was a lot of other stuff too, but it has been about 5 years since i had a S.S. class that discussed the early presidents, so i forget :-/

anyway, that is just one instance of presidents trying to remove the public's rights. clinton &friends were trying to remove many rights during their (i say their because clinton's opinion was what the results of whatever poll he saw were) presidency. other than the patriot act, i do not see anything that i disagree with as far as the freedom-removing acts are concerned (i agree with the anti-gay marrage movement, however i'm not sure why bush is mentioning it, as ammending our constitution has NOTHING to do with the president of the united states. that is all states/congress)

[Laukev7]

quote: i agree with the anti-gay marrage movement

You're an arse.

[solarismka]

Who gives a fuck on what presedent did what!

The fact is that the bush regime passed the patriot act. I don't give a shit if congress or bush himself pushed it through, it should have never gone through!

You shouldn't of gone to war period WITH ANY COUNTRY OR NATION!

And racialy profiling millions of ordinary people is just wrong!  

In other words,  Whether it be o'l germany, america or a peace nation counrty like canada.  Nazism is wrong!!!!

If canada did the same stupid shit then canada it would be just as wrong.  Geremany did do stupid shit and IT WAS wrong  but if america does it its fine?

No it isn't ITS STILL WRONG!!!

Regardless! America is putting innocent people in camps and jail.  Killing millions and doing it all for greed!  And that is just not on!

I'm not interested in what your goverment does or doesn't do!  I'm interested about the many lives the unessessaraly effects!

[ May 13, 2004: Message edited by: -=Solaris.M.K.A=- ]

[Paladin9]

quote:Originally posted by Laukev7:
Bush is an utter imbecile, but he's nothing but a puppet. The people who are really dangerous are the neoconservatives beneath him who control everything, such as Arsecroft, Cheney, Feith, Wolfowitz, Perle, Dumbsfeld, Rice and all the other PNAC cronies.

Laukev, I wanted to correct you when you mentioned Cheney.  Its "president Cheney"  

[Steinmetz]

Siplus wrote:
 

quote:
so, assuming you are not, you are saying that thousands/millions of lives are worth saving us a few measily billion dollars?

No. Therefore it was right to invade Iraq and free it from Saddam Hussein's regime.  Also, to keep the gangsters from taking over the country we have to stay there.  Civil war is probably inevitable in Iraq leading to either another Saddam Hussein style regime if the Sunnis win and another Iran if the Shiites win.  If western countries stay there and force Iraq to be a Democratic country then there will be one less terrorist country in the world.