The war on terrorism is bogus.

[Siplus]

quote:Originally posted by Jimmy James is COOL:
america sucks because of bush. he's inflicting his conservative shit on the world, and letting corps take over the country here



Calum, as much as I respect your opinions and views most of the time, I, too find it quite insulting that you blanket everyone in the U.S. as being an "opinionated yank".

But then, thanks Mr. Bush

no, actually america doesn't suck because of bush. bush is actually doing a good job  

why? because he is realistic and not idealistic.

[ September 08, 2003: Message edited by: Siplus ]

[Windows_SuX_@$$]

Screw Civilization, NUKE THE EARTH!

[Laukev7]

quote:Originally posted by Siplus:


no, actually america doesn't suck because of bush. bush is actually doing a good job  

why? because he is realistic and not idealistic.

[ September 08, 2003: Message edited by: Siplus ]

And I suppose that you call this realistic?

http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm

http://pnacrevealed.com/

http://shockingelk.com/text/neoconservative

http://home.earthlink.net/~platter/neo-conservatism/pnac.html

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1665.htm

Edit: Crap, the PNAC site is down. Apparently they are having problems with their servers. But it does exist, though; I've seen some of their ideologies; they would make your skin crawl.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

Here is a PDF taken from the website:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

[ September 08, 2003: Message edited by: Laukev7: Defender of Canada ]

[jasonlane]

Ahhh, Politics and Religion always good for a flame war.

Heaven forbid, Politics & Religion at the same time........

[Great_Satan]

Meacher was sacked by Blair because of his incompetance as environment minister.

http://www.nofear.org/Archives/2003/06/22/farewell_michael_meacher.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3010254.stm

This might be one motive for Meacher writing an inflamatory article about president Bush, since Bush is a close friend of Tony Blair.


Also see this:

 

quote:
Meacher flips
Posted by Chris
There

[Great_Satan]

Read what Prime Minister of Australia John Howard says about Iraq.

http://onenews.nzoom.com/onenews_detail/0,1227,175097-1-9,00.html

Some Democrats were in favor of the war, too.  Most of you people don't seem to know shit about what's going on.

http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4904

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[Great_Satan]

Meacher seems to have Marxist-Leninist beliefs, too.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/776604/posts

[Laukev7]

Or maybe his 'incompetance' was an excuse to sack him. If you ask me, everything he says is so far very consistent with all the plans laid out by the PNAC. And his political motives do not change the fact that the USA is leaning towards corporatism.

[Great_Satan]

The PNAC is not part of the US government.

What was that Winston Churchill quote again???


"The inherent vice of capitalism is
the unequal distribution of the blessings,
while the inherent virtue of socialism is
the equal distribution of the miseries."

Here's another one I like, from Phelps Adams:


"Capitalism and communism stand at opposite poles. Their essential difference is this: The communist, seeing the rich man and his fine home, says: 'No man should have so much!' The capitalist, seeing the same thing, says: 'All men should have as much!'"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/776604/posts

[ September 08, 2003: Message edited by: Great_Satan ]

[flap]

quote:"Capitalism and communism stand at opposite poles. Their essential difference is this: The communist, seeing the rich man and his fine home, says: 'No man should have so much!' The capitalist, seeing the same thing, says: 'All men should have as much!'"

Exactly, the difference is the capitalist doesn't grasp that it isn't possible for everyone to 'have this much' - thus no man should. Posting stupid things that right-wingers have said doesn't get you anywhere.

[Laukev7]

No. Capitalists say that those who are capable to get as much should get as much. Theoretically, it's a form of meritocracy (although the wealthy don't necessarily deserve that wealth).

 

quote: The PNAC is not part of the US government.

Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Jeb Bush, Paul Wolfowitz and many others, including media tycoons, are part of the PNAC.

[ September 08, 2003: Message edited by: Laukev7: Defender of Canada ]

[Pissed_Macman]

This discussion is extremely retarded.

[Great_Satan]

quote:
Exactly, the difference is the capitalist doesn't grasp that it isn't possible for everyone to 'have this much' - thus no man should. Posting stupid things that right-wingers have said doesn't get you anywhere.

Wrong.  In America most people are rich compared to the rest of the world and own fine homes thanks to capitalism.  Socialism and communism cause poverty.  There are also both right wing and left wing capitalists.


>This discussion is extremely retarded.

If these people lived in America they would know what a great country it is and what a great economy it has even if it isn't purely capitalistic.  


Read Jack Straw's speech here.  See what he says about Iraq.

http://www.epolitix.com/bos/epxnews/0000007DBD0B.htm


Also, Charles Darwin said "survival of the fittest".

[ September 08, 2003: Message edited by: Great_Satan ]

[Great_Satan]

Here's an excellent explanation here.

http://www.americandaily.com/item/2084

[hm_murdock]

all economic and political systems have both inherent benefits and flaws. over time, the flaws will undoubtedly float to the top.

there is no perfect system, there can't be, and there never will be.

but, all the opinions about bush aside... the FACT is that he's the worst president since the depression.

I for one am considering leaving the country if there's a second bush term. I probably won't, mainly because his economic and domestic policies have made it nearly impossible for me to find work.

as for the war on terror... I think it's rather hopeless. defeat these guys and more will show up. personally, I think that Bush is a christian bigot and just wants to say he had his own "crusade against the infadels"

[ September 09, 2003: Message edited by: Jimmy James is COOL ]