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« on: 20 April 2002, 23:48 »
Read this:

http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/migrate/default.asp

Why do they even try to compare their closed-source piece of shit with the secure and reliable UNIX based solutions?  I can see where they may have a desktop argument to use windows, but who the hell needs them or their crappy product to run a server?  Besides, all that licensing crap and audits are worse than paying taxes!  Who would want to be bogged down by that?  I think they are just alarmed by the fact that well over half the web servers in the world run some form of UNIX, and are obviously spreading huge lies in a vain attempt to wow some "In the dark" windows loser to switch his infrastructure.  Can I get some agreement?

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« Reply #1 on: 21 April 2002, 08:05 »
You really shouldn't believe too much that's up on Microsoft's webpage. I can't remember exactly what page it was, but it was about donating used computers to schools. On it, M$ says that it's illegal to donate a computer without it's OS. At that point, I started laughing because it was utter BS. There site never ceases to amuse me...
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« Reply #2 on: 21 April 2002, 21:09 »
There was a page worse than this, about MS saying how much better Linux was and the info to prove it. Then you have people here saying Linux is better and the links to prove it.

I say, use what works.

PS. Those MS web pages on Windows VS. UNIX in my mind are BIASED PIECES OF SHIT! I like Windows, not MS.

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« Reply #3 on: 21 April 2002, 11:52 »
Why would a webserver need a GUIO in the firstplace.
You may be happy with Windows for a Workstation...
BUT SERVER!?! why did they even release the .net crap and all that other shit. For server. Anyone with a brain would know that Apache and Linux kick ass
FreeBSD is nice too. Fuck Microsoft, and all there crap... They are SHIT!!!

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« Reply #4 on: 21 April 2002, 15:41 »
How can you say that whilst you use their products, including their OS's?

In this case I agree with your initial argument, but do you really believe abuse, and obscenities, make your argument more valid?

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« Reply #5 on: 21 April 2002, 21:25 »
quote:
Originally posted by Jonothan:
How can you say that whilst you use their products, including their OS's?

In this case I agree with your initial argument, but do you really believe abuse, and obscenities, make your argument more valid?



X11 is a UNIX nerd, he dosn't use windwoz. As I understand it he's on WineX and dual boot with 2000 which he only touches for games. It's also a stolen copy, so he dosn't support M$.

Abuse and obscenitie is fine by me  :D
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« Reply #6 on: 21 April 2002, 23:22 »
quote:
Originally posted by Jonothan:
How can you say that whilst you use their products, including their OS's?

In this case I agree with your initial argument, but do you really believe abuse, and obscenities, make your argument more valid?



Also, you can have one of MS' OSes because you are forced to, like me. I have this crappy lucent winmodem and my linux don't have the 'lspci' binary because it's an old version. Only windows knows how to run this modem, because it has the drivers for it. That doesn't mean i have to LIKE MS shit because I use it.

Ugh.

(My copy's illegal too, btw  :D )
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« Reply #7 on: 22 April 2002, 06:40 »
ha ha ha, this will prove who's the biggest asshole, X11.
I am gonna tell microsoft about you  and foobar's illegal copies of windows, and give them goosenbury's IP address and ISP name.

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« Reply #8 on: 22 April 2002, 10:17 »
Whats the deal? Why you doing that for, did X11 of f00bar do something to you?

Surely you are joking.
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« Reply #9 on: 22 April 2002, 11:25 »
So let me get this strait, you like their stuff enough to use it, but not enough to pay for it, or even recommend it for the same reason you need it.

If you really don't like them you should simply boycott their software altogether, using illegal copies of their programs is anarchistic, and shows that even you see that M$ has some advantages over Linux. That is also the reason they go to such great lengths to protect their software (from piracy).



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« Reply #10 on: 22 April 2002, 12:46 »
How does that show M$ has advantages over Linux? The only thing you can do with it is play a few more games. So what then, if you use 90% of your computing on linux, you have to pay thrugh the nose to run a crapy OS just to play a few dumb games?

Not anarchistic, practical.  :D

But seriously, piracy is a joke. The internet is anarchy and that's the way it should be.

I have said this before, but it seems to me that even the most draconian piracy messures will be cracked or bypased. How can you truely outlaw something as effemiral as data transfer and bits and bytes?

A company now a days has to truely gain the consumers confidence and devotion if it expect's to get paid, and M$ doesn't do this so why should they get any money?

They got a monopoly, I don't like their shitty crap, but I want to use it to do this one ity bity thing, fuck them I'll d-load my own copy and live my life without the added expense or hastle.

Why pay for something crappy just cuz you don't have to? It's not stealing. What's more unethical, a company that makes crappy software and forces it on it's users by eleminating all other choices (i.e. monopoly), or a user deciding not to pay because he only needs a fraction of the usability and the monopolistic company has eleminated all other viable choices?

Buisness-consumer relationships are going to change drastically. People are going to actually WANT to support a company by purchasing their products, because that company simply will never be able to stop them from just d-loading or burning a copy.

Call it piracy, call it unethical, whatever. Fact is, if I see a rich fat cat drop a $20 bill on the sidewalk and Im starving to death, I won't think twice of weather or not I should keep the money. Same goes for this new market.

Despite what may be "wrong" or "right" legaly, the new market will be ruled by what's "wrong" or "right" naturaly.
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« Reply #11 on: 22 April 2002, 13:11 »
well, all of that post is true in my opinion, but i would like to say that to make M$ lose its monopoly, we need to boycott M$' products altogether just like jonathan said above, and VoidMain and several others have said in the past.

The fact we are forced to use their products to an extent shows that developers often develop only for windows, or for windows and mac only, but if an alternative OS really was widely competitive it would successfully allow people not to be forced to use windows for ANYTHING.

At the moment, when someone raises a prickly "can linux do this?" question, the answers are as often as not about why linux can do what it does do more stable than windows, or even worse, of the "i don't need to do that on my machine, so why would linux need that capability?" variety.

Sadly, many of the "why doesn't linux do this?" questions are not OS questions at all, and often the real answer is "because Adobe/Macromedia/whoever haven't released a linux version yet, because there's no perceived market."

As soon as people DO start boycotting M$ in large numbers, and don't kid yrself that using illegal copies counts, the market WILL be perceived and we might see some real movement in this area. Until then, more of the same. It's fake anarchy at best.

Oh, while i do have a few copies of windows that are totally as illegal as anybody's, I have a legal copy as well, and that's the one i have installed (yes i am one of those dual booters, with tons of windows style hardware i might add) on my windows side. I certainly don't have a copy of XP though, before you jump to any conclusions!

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« Reply #12 on: 22 April 2002, 14:38 »
quote:
Originally posted by Jonothan:
How can you say that whilst you use their products, including their OS's?

In this case I agree with your initial argument, but do you really believe abuse, and obscenities, make your argument more valid?



I use there shit product, there OS nothing more.
That and Direct X, and there shitty browser occasionally when testing my site with it

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« Reply #13 on: 22 April 2002, 14:42 »
quote:
Originally posted by psyjax:


X11 is a UNIX nerd, he dosn't use windwoz. As I understand it he's on WineX and dual boot with 2000 which he only touches for games. It's also a stolen copy, so he dosn't support M$.

Abuse and obscenitie is fine by me   :D  


A unix....  person not a n3rd, i must admit MS-DOS 6.00 and Windows 3.1 are good i have that installed and Windows 98 on another box, which i use to find bugs...  At its not stolen... its...
CLONED... Just like XP rips off UNIX

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« Reply #14 on: 22 April 2002, 14:48 »
Internet+KaZaA=Anarcy  
Pity i have... Removed KaZaA (it wont run in Wine X)
Due to the fact that it has Distributed Computing Software... And personnally, the www.distributed.net
client is enough for me. Anyway, i do use windows sometimes for Games, Development. But when i get UNREAL working in Linux, i will......   Switch