Fucking Chinese Commies!

[Xeen]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1212&e=3&u=/nm/20040318/wr_nm/tech_china_blog_dc&sid=95573503

Man, why does Chine have to be such a bitch to its people?

[ April 22, 2004: Message edited by: xeen ]

[flap]

Careful. China might call itself "Communist" but it isn't. It's like responding to Al Qaeda by saying "Fucking muslims".

[Refalm]

Communism doesn't work. Not even in theory.
There is no way in which the people can control or change the actions of their government, except joining the Communist party.
However, you'll never get to the top of that party without ageeing to everything that the leaders of that party has to say.

[flap]

What government? In a true communist society there would be no such thing.

[Laukev7]

quote:Originally posted by flap:
What government? In a true communist society there would be no such thing.

Flap, you're confusing two diifferent systems. What you're talking about is anarchism, not communism.

[ March 18, 2004: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]

[restin256]

Or libertarianism, which is just like anarchy but has a chance to succeed in today's society.

[flap]

quote:The first act by virtue of which the State really constitutes itself the representative of the whole of society - the taking possession of the means of production in the name of society - that is, at the same time, its last independent act as a State. State interference in social relations becomes, in one domain after another, superfluous, and then dies out of itself; the government of persons is replaced by the administration of things, and by the conduct of processes of production.

The State is not "abolished." It dies out.

- Friedrich Engels

[ March 18, 2004: Message edited by: flap ]

[Canadian Lover]

quote:Originally posted by xeen:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1212&e=3&u=/nm/20040318/wr_nm/tech_china_blog_dc&sid=95573503


Man, why does Chine have to be such a bitch to its people?

China is a communist dictatorship. They believe that religion is contrary to the Party, so they suppress religion. They won't even let the Falun Dafa do their exercises without rounding them up.

EDIT - Was messing up page formatting.
Tux - 03:26 GMT

[ March 18, 2004: Message edited by: Tux ]

[Stilly]

could someone fix that really wide post?

edit: Hooray for tux

[ March 19, 2004: Message edited by: The Stiller ]

[mobrien_12]

quote:Originally posted by Refalm:
Communism doesn't work. Not even in theory.

I don't think that's exactly true.

On the large scale, like countries, yes I'd totally agree with that.  Marx's idea of one party "as the vangaurd of the people" sounds like something dreamt up in an opium high.

On the small scale, like those little communal groups, communist principles do work.  It's important to note that on such a scale, it is voluntary.  

However, Marx's ideas of global communism as the end of pollitical evolution are stupid.

[Xeen]

Anyway, back to the original point of this thread. Here's an update: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=562&ncid=738&e=1&u=/ap/20040422/ap_on_hi_te/china_internet_controls

 

quote:Authorities are installing video cameras and high-tech software in Shanghai's Internet cafes and bars to make sure customers don't look at forbidden Web sites

This is what it's come to over there.

 

quote: Authorities are known to have installed filters aimed at preventing access to such sites, as well as those that criticize the government or the Communist Party.

Dozens of people have been sentenced to prison for posting or downloading such materials.

Can you imagine living in such a shithole?

[insomnia]

quote:Originally posted by Laukev7:


Flap, you're confusing two diifferent systems. What you're talking about is anarchism, not communism.

[ March 18, 2004: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]

You're confusing anarchism with anarchy.

Strict socialism(Marx) believes a revolution will come anyway(Marx' tree stages).

Anarchism believes people are to weak for that(and can't defeat a government).
So they believe you need to push this revolution.

[ April 22, 2004: Message edited by: insomnia ]

[insomnia]

quote:Originally posted by Refalm:
Communism doesn't work. Not even in theory.

That's like saying things will always suck.

[insomnia]

quote:Originally posted by xeen:
Can you imagine living in such a shithole?

I never lived their.
But I don't like living in a capitalistic shithole like the West(Europe and N. America).
...why should we have the right to have everything?

If Africa revives we will have to share...
Poverty is maintained intentionally.


PS: Communism needs to be global.

[Laukev7]

quote:You're confusing anarchism with anarchy.

So anarchism is the philosophy and anarchy is the outcome, if I understand correctly.

 

quote:That's like saying things will always suck.

Why do you say that? Anarchy is not necessarily the only alternative, or even the best.

 

quote:But I don't like living in a capitalistic shithole like the West(Europe and N. America).
...why should we have the right to have everything?

I agree that this situation is unfair, but that doesn't mean that anarchy is the only fair system.

 

quote: PS: Communism needs to be global.
 

No thanks. I would not want to live in a system such as that you propose.