Gates denounces 1984 as untrue

[SAJChurchey]

Bill Gates said at a Homeland Security conference that the society portrayed in Orwell's 1984 has not and will not take place w/ the aid of modern technology, but he did say that Trusted Computing is the next step in preventing privacy invasion.

I do not see how TC has anything to do w/ 1984 or how it can prevent invasion of privacy or the fascist gov't of 1984 of taking place. Those arguments are unfounded and not explained at all.

http://news.zdnet.co.uk/story/0,,t269-s2136612,00.html

[solarismka]

quote: "They've engineered privacy into it... We need people to shoulder their honest responsibilities for oversight."

So in order to "Protect my privacy" I have to give up my private information to them if the want it.  How does that protect against privacy???

Privacy for the goverment. yes!
Privacy for the people. No!  :rolleyes:

[SAJChurchey]

Exactly, this is just another excuse that Willie G is giving to push Trusted Computing through. Although he never justified his argument as to why this would help our privacy.  He just thinks people will take his word for it.

BAH!!! :-P

fuck that

Never trust M$.

[Refalm]

quote:From 1984 by George Orwell: "Any sound that Winston made, above the level of a very low whisper, would be picked up by it; moreover, so long as he remained within the field of vision which the metal plaque commanded, he could be seen as well as heard. There was of course no way of knowing whether you were being watched at any given moment."

Kinda like spyware, aka "next-generation secure computing base"...

[Doctor V]

Gratz on 1000 posts Refalm.

Unfortunately, I think lots of people do believe that TC will help protect their privacy.  They think that if Bill Gates says it, it must be true.

[Laukev7]

Anyone saw the irony in saying that the comparison between NGSCB and 1984 is 'untrue'?  

As in 'Doubleplus untrue'?   :eek:

[SAJChurchey]

Well, I would hope that after the government pursuing monopoly charges and suits, they would no better than to trust anything that Gates or M$ says.

[suselinux]

quote:Originally posted by SAJChurchey:
Well, I would hope that after the government pursuing monopoly charges and suits, they would no better than to trust anything that Gates or M$ says.

Here Here!

[SAJChurchey]

This article follows the homeland security meeting a little further:

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/30/technology/30NECO.html?ex=1057636800&en=69654b8d1a59a0e0&ei=5062&partner=GOOGLE

 

quote:
 The optimistic view is that technology can sidestep any trade-off between homeland security and personal privacy. "Information technology will be a force for more security and more privacy, a force for greater security and greater individual freedom," Bill Gates, the chairman of Microsoft, said in a luncheon speech at the conference.

Not everyone in attendance was convinced. "What he said is fine for rhetoric, but I'm not sure it's true," said Lance J. Hoffman, a computer scientist and security expert at George Washington University.

At least there not taking Willie G that seriously.

[jtpenrod]

quote:"This technology can make our country more secure and prevent the nightmare vision of George Orwell at the same time," Gates said. "Orwell didn't anticipate how technology can be used to protect privacy. The fact that technology can protect both security and privacy by protecting the computer systems and the information on them is a positive thing."

Perhaps His Gatesness was talking about Linux here?  
 

quote:Without taking a stand on the TIA system, which previously was called Total Information Awareness, Gates applauded increased information sharing between government agencies. He cited current law-enforcement efforts to share criminal databases, but predicted that, "unless this system is properly connected to the entire Homeland Security command structure, the potential will not be fully realised."

Since when has Winderz done "properly connected"?  :eek:  The entire Homeland Security command structure will be wide open to just about any script kiddie with a worm generator. Gee, I feel safer already!  
 

quote:"We're proud to be involved in the effort to connect a significant portion of the federal homeland-security community into a national information-sharing and intelligence-analysis network," Gates said.

IOW, there's a pay-off in the works.  

And just what does any of this have to do with 1984?  :rolleyes:
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[jtpenrod]

quote:So in order to "Protect my privacy" I have to give up my private information to them if the want it. How does that protect against privacy???

"We had to destroy the village in order to save it"

Sort of like that.    
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[SAJChurchey]

The "nightmare vision of George Orwell" that's the 1984 reference :-P

If TIA actually came to reality (god forbid), those systems would be running Linux.  I don't think the government is that stupid.  To grab power that they have been wanting for years only to hand over the actual ownership of Bill Gates or protect with a shoddy OS like Windoze.  If the governemnt wants power, it will horde it and protect it tenaciously.