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Calum:
quote:Originally posted by M. O'Brien:
Calum, last I knew FreeDOS couldn't run Windows 3.1x. Has this changed??
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nope, as far as i know it still can't run windows 3.1x, but FreeDOS 0.9b now has a native CDROM driver, which is a big step forward in my opinion, plus back at 0.8b there were rumours that some people had indeed managed to get windows to run on there, although i don't know how.
I do have some exe file which claims to alter MSDOS7 and above so that windows 3.11 can run on it, eg: you get windows 95 or 98, remove the GUI bits and install windows 3.11 on it, but you get an incompatibility error, which this file claims to fix. so i am hoping that it can fix this issue with FreeDOS also, since this is the same error i see whn i try to install mswindows over FreeDOS (or did in 0.8b anyway)
oddly enough i couldn't get ANY GUI to work under FreeDOS, and i tried 3 or 4. no that's a lie, i did get one to load up but couldn't get the mouse to go. can't remember which one it was though.
bossesjoe:
quote:Originally posted by suselinux:
I kinda wonder why MS dosen't release the source code for windows 3x, they aren't going to make any more money from it.
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Because most of it is the same as Windows 95, 98, 2000, XP, NT, and so on...
Calum:
it can't be simply because the binaries for the whole of MSDOS 6.22 and windows for workgroups including the extra printer drivers fit onto eleven floppies. so most of it has to have been added later for windows 98, 2000, xp etc. i suspect that not much code has survived from windows' GUI days through to the 2000/XP releases to be honest since they would likely need to recompile even all the things they have left relatively the same, which would likely involve large rewrites for updated file formats and to implement new API to replace some of the deprecated API in mswindows 3.x. Sorry, i know that's boring, but i suspect it is true.
To be honest i think they are worried that if they release the code for windows 3.11, a team of hackers will get together and make some GPL version of windows which will threaten to take what part of the market has not already gone to the BSD/Linux mob.
can you imagine a GPL development model fueled mswindows, based on mswindows 3.11? before any of that registry stuff? all the mistakes in windows since about 1993 could be identified, avoided and generally better solutions could be made. bad code could be replaced and within a few years a monster open source windows could be competing with the 'real' thing. of course by this time the two windowss would not be all that intercompatible. there would be programs that ran on both of course, and all the open source programs (thunderbird, mozilla, openoffice.org) would have versions for both etc, but as you can see now, one would be free. and it would be more stable. and all the open source programs would run on it. and they would be free. and unlike linux it has two advantages:
1) it really is windows, so the sheep would not balk at using it
2) it really is windows, so an unspecified amount of windows software will actually run on it, as is. with no emulators.
that's why it will never happen.
mobrien_12:
quote:Originally posted by Calum:
oddly enough i couldn't get ANY GUI to work under FreeDOS, and i tried 3 or 4. no that's a lie, i did get one to load up but couldn't get the mouse to go. can't remember which one it was though.
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You can run win 3.11 it on DRDOS/OpenDOS, but its not perfect... and despite the free for personal use clause you might feel dirty using a product from the company that once was Caldera.
Anyway, you have to be really careful with the extended memory managers in Freedos when you try GUI's. There are 2 or 3 memory managers and they are mutually exclusive and from what I remember there were like only 1 or 2 that would work with Seal or GEM
You probably got GEM to work but needed to set the mouse driver to busmouse (that is the setting to use the DOS mouse drivers).
[ September 02, 2003: Message edited by: M. O'Brien ]
Windows_SuX_@$$:
Calum I mean they should Make it more stable, Wen I was messing around with alot of backdoors many of them [including the famous sub7{virus not Trojan prog}]edit your registry so when you start your windows box the virus runs so they can get in at any given time [ unless u got a firewall ] and after I deleted the viruses from my unorganized windows folder I noticed I had to edit my registry because when I restarted [ what u have to do to windows because its crap ] several messages apeard that this file can not be found so I had to edit my registry, windows should log one warning in a special registry edit folder and delete that from registry because many people dont know how to change the windows registry and it can be quite confusiong, the ideots at microsoft should organize it more 2, they say windows is the best and it won all these awards when its 200$ on plain shit also securitty sux, you can litteraly send someone a batch file to delete shit like rundll easily and fuck up their PC I dont know if you can do this on Linux I havent installed Mandrake yetm [im a noob to linux]
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