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Laukev7

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« Reply #15 on: 6 September 2003, 02:15 »
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Originally posted by flap:
Well considering 'piracy' refers to the act of attacking + looting a ship, I think that's a lot worse than calling it 'stealing'. You may as well call it 'arson' as call it piracy.


Dictionary time.

http://m-w.com/

 
quote:
1 : an act of robbery on the high seas; also : an act resembling such robbery
2 : robbery on the high seas
3 : the unauthorized use of another's production, invention, or conception especially in infringement of a copyright

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« Reply #16 on: 6 September 2003, 02:35 »
Well obviously now that it's been used so much in that context it's been accepted into common english. In Nazi Germany the term "Jewish" might have been in the dictionary as a synonym for "evil" but it wouldn't make it any less an inappropriate application of an unrelated word.

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« Reply #17 on: 6 September 2003, 02:47 »
How is it 'unappropriate'? It's just a word. Words only have the meanings we give them.

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« Reply #18 on: 6 September 2003, 02:57 »
How is what innapropriate? Using "Jewish" as a term for "evil"? Or calling copying "piracy"? Either way it's not just a case of assigning meaning to arbitrary words - otherwise you might as well call unauthorised copying "arson", or "pole vaulting" for that matter.

As that link faust gave points out, the use of a term like piracy is non-neutral. It's designed to manipulate people into viewing copying as being bad without thinking about it, or deciding for themselves whether 'unauthorised copying' (a neutral term that, although it implies illegality, isn't strong enough to imply intrinsic immorality) is right or wrong.

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« Reply #19 on: 6 September 2003, 03:49 »
In that case, you shouldn't call it 'sharing' either, as it gives an overly positive connotation to illegal copying, and would be stretching the definition of 'sharing'.

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« Reply #20 on: 6 September 2003, 04:16 »
Ok, sharing is is a non-neutral term, but copying is sharing, regardless of whether you also believe it's morally wrong. If you steal money from someone and then share it out amongst your friends you're still sharing, regardless of the fact that you've done something that is by any definition 'stealing'.
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« Reply #21 on: 6 September 2003, 04:58 »
I'm not saying that copying isn't sharing because I think sharing is wrong. I'm saying that copying isn't sharing because as soon as you reproduce a CD, you aren't sharing anymore. Like this definition implies:

   
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1 : to divide and distribute in shares : APPORTION -- usually used with out or with
2 a : to partake of, use, experience, occupy, or enjoy with others b : to have in common
3 : to grant or give a share in
intransitive senses
1 : to have a share -- used with in
2 : to apportion and take shares of something
- shar

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« Reply #22 on: 7 September 2003, 00:30 »

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« Reply #23 on: 7 September 2003, 00:51 »
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Originally posted by Laukev7: Defender of Canada:
More lies from the RIAA.

http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/03/09/06/1911237.shtml?tid=103&tid=153&tid=158&tid=99

Now they're using straw men.



Wow... the RIAA has some damn good lawyers working for them.  I would never have thought to use a law required age verification device.  That is such a good idea.  Because there is porn on p2p's.  So legally (according to that news) the apps must have age verification.  I would never have thought up such an elaborate scheme to get personal info.

thumbs up for clever thinking
thumbs down for the lack of ethics

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« Reply #24 on: 7 September 2003, 02:30 »
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Originally posted by jeffberg: Mac Capitalist:


Wow... the RIAA has some damn good lawyers working for them.  I would never have thought to use a law required age verification device.  That is such a good idea.  Because there is porn on p2p's.  So legally (according to that news) the apps must have age verification.  I would never have thought up such an elaborate scheme to get personal info.

thumbs up for clever thinking
thumbs down for the lack of ethics




Yeppers.   It's a bunch of lies and half truths but its damned clever.  We better hope they never get this BS passed.
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« Reply #25 on: 8 September 2003, 14:10 »
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