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Poll: Music Sharing or Stealing

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HibbeeBoy:
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Well. obviously yes, the whole point of why stealing is bad, as I explained, is that the owner suffers some cost, financial or otherwise. In this case the theft either costs you your car, or the money it takes to refill the tank etc. So, no, as you want to keep your car you don't leave the keys in the ignition; you only give them to people with whom you trust enough to share it, as you need them to bring it back.

Hmmm, so when someone has a file that they are sharing, they return the file to the person they borrowed it from ? And the person they borrowed it from does not have use of that file  e.g. a music file until the borrower returns it ?

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You seem to be missing the whole point I'm making, which is that it isn't "at the expense of the artists".

Says you ! A lot of the artists disagree with you. Why should Napster (or who ever) make millions of dollars (or even a dime) distributing (copying) music when the artist who actually produced the music receives nothing ? (Although that model has changed slightly, they are now forced to pay a royalty to the publisher, that is the way it started.) That I think is morally wrong.

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And if you're looking for people ripping off musicians, you might want to look at record labels.

Oh so you want to just change who is ripping who off ?

I don't think that making a copy of music is inherently wrong, I just don't think that mass reproduction and distribution of an artists work is a moral or fundamental right, I think it is at the discretion of the artist and the publisher.

emh:

quote:Originally posted by HibbeeBoy:

How do you feel about the millions of dollars that sites like Napster (that's the only one I know) made at the expense of the publishers and artists ? Does that seem fair ?
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I just want to add real quick that, during Napster's prime, CD sales were actually higher than they were before Napster.

Laukev7:

quote: which backs up both my interpretaion of sharing, and your earlier definition, before you changed your mind.
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I did not change my mind. If we put both definitions together, you'll notice that it supports both my allowance for listening to a CD, where no multiplication is involved and my rejection of multiplication from the definition of sharing.

Laukev7:

quote: So why are these people, who have sufficient internet access to download songs, not just downloading them with P2P software?
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quote: If people are prepared to buy online, then we have proof that artists will be able to sell their music through services like Apple's
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The big difference that I am trying to point out is not the legal issues. It is the moral issues. The law, while it does not scare away anyone, still reminds everyone that artists need to make a living. If it becomes morally acceptable to copy music, people might forget that. Capisce?

Laukev7:
I have survived through the soporific discourse you sent me, flap. No offence, and only my personal opinion, but this was the most boring speech I've ever heard. Apart from this, what he said was informative, but I've learnt little new from this other than anecdotal information. He is right about the problems he points out, but unfortunately, the solutions he proposes in this speech are not realistic. For example, he talks about mouth-to-ear publicity, but the problem with that is that fame will not extend outside the circles, and as such cannot become mainstream.

I do agree, though, that one should do whatever he wants with the music he downloaded, INCLUDING making copies, and even giving them to his friends (the catch is that they would have to be entitled, or they wouldn't be allowed to RECEIVE it).

I also think that buying a song should be buying a permanent right to it rather than just a CD. Therefore, I am against the more restrictive forms of DRM (ex. the music registration services where you lose everything if you unsuscribe).

Of course, what I am proposing is only one alternative amongst many others.

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