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Holy shit! Tis horrible...
Doctor V:
I agree entirely, what we have in most of the western world is really fake capitalism. I think the reason they have not been sued is because for one because they have alot of money and a lot of power, and two, nobody really know what goes on behind closed doors, it would be really hard to prove anything.
another point, the situation is rediculous. CD are being sold at likr 50-100 times what it costs to make them. I know companys need profits and all, but this is rediculous. If the lables competed against eachother CDs might cost 2 dollars or less, and the artists would be millionaris.
Doctor V:
You could use that exact same arguement against cassette tapes, or even the printing press.
IMO, ripping CDs is not wrong. The world would be better off with CD ripping and file sharing than without it.
They said that the printing press was wrong.
They said that FM radio was wrong.
They said that cable TV was wrong.
They said that cassette tapes wrong.
They say that file sharing is wrong.
Each step in the list of new techs gives the public more of an ability to spread information, and every time it was fought heavily against. Society is better for having the printing press, think if those in power had their way way back when it was invented and there was no publication today. And the issue we are faced with today is no different. This new technology will benefits society, it not be stopped, and in 20 years people will all look back and think how ridiculous this file sharing offosition was.
voidmain:
[ November 28, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
voidmain:
I don't believe I ever said that ripping CDs is wrong. After all, I am against DRM CD-ROM drives and Palladium. It prevents me from ripping CDs that I have legally purchased for my own personal use. It's distributing those ripped files to millions of other people that I believe is wrong. Correct me if I am wrong but there have been court cases in the past that have basically determined that you are allowed to make backup copies of copyrighted material for your own personal use.
Like it or not, those artists made an agreement and signed a contract with a record label. The label *is* providing a service. Sure maybe they are doing some illegal things to make higher profits. Sure they may be robbing the artists blind. That's the artists problem. If they don't like it they should pool together and start their own label and do right. Maybe the artists are happy with their agreement, in which case you are not helping/hurting the label or artist, but merely breaking a law. If the artists want their music spread via file sharing then they need to GPL their music and not sign a contract with a label.
And many artists share in the blame. Take Garth Brooks for instance (ick). He made a campaign against reselling legally purchased CDs. He said the "poor" artists suffer when you do this. That takes it a step beyond. Now that is something that I believe is TOTALLY fooked. If I pay $15 for a CD, I'm sorry, but I have the right to sell that CD for $5 if I don't like it. Garth can kiss my posterior.
Like I said, we are against the same people, just for different reasons, and I might be against a few more people than you are.
If you really feel the way you do about liking the artist and hating the record company so much then you might consider sending the artist an anonymous donation of whatever the CD cost that you "obtained". It would still be illegal but you would feel better. If you do not do this then I would have to put you in with the category that I am against.
[ November 28, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
Calum:
doctor v i didn't mean anything personal against you, and i wasn't flaming anybody.
when some people are talking about something on the forums and i think of something to say then i will say it. often i will quote the thing that made me think of saying it.
another thing i am a bit sick of is when people get pissed of just because somebody quotes them in their reply.
anyway, much good discussion seems to have springboarded from what i said, amongst other things so good. that's what i was after.
don't take it personally, i didn't mean to give the impression that that's how it was intended.
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