Copy Protected CD's from BMG

[mobrien_12]

Copy-protected CDs take step forward

BMG music is going to start releasing "copy protected" CD's to keep people from ripping tracks.  

From the article:
 

quote:
The new generation of anticopying techniques is more sophisticated than early methods. Along with simple locks that prevent CD ripping and copying, the Hamilton disc includes computer-ready files that can be transferred to a PC, a Macintosh computer and many MP3 players.

What the article doesn't say, is that the "copy protection" is Microsoft's, and all the computer-ready files are actually %$#@ing DRM'd WMP files!

[gump420]

I find it interesting that M$ fails to provide a secure operating system, but that they have no problem at all coming with this DRM shit.

Any bets on how long before DRM is cracked wide open?

[Enmity]

quote:Unlike the MP3 files traditionally created from unprotected CDs, these "pre-ripped" files will be wrapped in their own digital rights management protections that keep them from being swapped online and restrict some other actions. Buyers will be able to burn three copies of these songs onto their own CDs, however. The disc will also provide a link that can be shared with other people, who can download copies of the album's music and then listen to it for 10 days.

Jah. What actions? Installing programs that aren't Microshit?

[Doctor V]

Well helooooooooooooo Mr. fancypants,

The actions referred to could be a number of things such as transferring it to a portable device, playing it in a country where it is prohibited, or even limiting hom many times it is played.  DRM gives the content provider alot of control over their content, allowing them to limit alot of what users can do.

It will not in any way limit what a user can install.

V

[Doctor V]

Heres what I find funny.  (sorry for the double post)

All this DRM copy protection and whatnot, no matter how secure, can be done in by the simplest of devises.  Even if they did write some sort of copy protection that the hackers couldn't bust (hoypthetical), all someone would need to make a completely unprotected copy is a tape recorder.  One person tapes it in a clean environment and its free.  Copy protection is, realistically, doomed to failure and has been for decades.

V

[Fett101]

Or.... just play the CD on your PC and record that. No "clean" enviorment needed.

[emh]

quote:Originally posted by Fett101:
Or.... just play the CD on your PC and record that. No "clean" enviorment needed.

Exactly what I was about to suggest.  

[Doctor V]

I was describing a hypothetical situation guys.  Where prefect copy frotection was in place, the content cartel and microsoft are spending big bucks on it.  Since now they target hardware (fritz chips), is not impossible however unlikely that they could make it so computers cannot play music while recording.  I know its not going to happen either, but its what they have been trying to do.  They tried to get copy protection to be made a legal necessity in every digital device.

[Windows_SuX_@$$]

Ripping is quite easy they wont stop it unless some shit will be added to longhorn and some people with crach through it anyway

[insomnia]

quote:Originally posted by KiDwithIsSuEs 00:
Ripping is quite easy they wont stop it unless some shit will be added to longhorn and some people with crach through it anyway

Longhorn will most likely use DRM "protection" for its entire system.  

What worries me most is this:

"Along with simple locks that prevent CD ripping and copying, the Hamilton disc includes computer-ready files that can be transferred to a PC, a Macintosh computer and many MP3 players."
...
"The disc will also provide a link that can be shared with other people, who can download copies of the album's music and then listen to it for 10 days."

Their hides a big lie in this.
They still claim all the DRM stuff is placed on the disc(hardware), then they claim you can do this limited download.
That's impossible.
If you download a file(software) that doesn't contain any DRM information you would be able to copy it WITHOUT the 10 days limitation.
So the software has to contain parts of the DRM code (which you can't see and controle yourself).
 
Looks like a way to spy on people (and again an other reason for not using Longhorn).

[Doctor V]

quote:Originally posted by KiDwithIsSuEs 00:
Ripping is quite easy they wont stop it unless some shit will be added to longhorn and some people with crach through it anyway

Absolutely.  M$ has about proven themselves incapable of making software without bugs and security holes to be exploited by hackers and crackers everywhere.

The goal, or dream, of the media companys and M$ is or at least was to make it so all computers have a section of the hard drive that has DRM components built into it.  From there they could make it so that hardware drivers like speaker drivers or whatnot would require an OK from the OS before they started working.  In fact they could do a heckuva lot to control what users do with their computers.  Stopping CD rippers and really whatever else they want from working without an ok from windows.

[NeMeWaHa]

Try this:
 - Download and install the File Monitor from www.sysinternals.com.
 - Download any AVI file.
 - Run Filemon filtered to show just the activity on your AVI file.
 - Right-click on the AVI. Don't bother to do anything else.
 - Note that components of the Microsoft Installer kick in and start scanning that AVI for digital watermarks.

Cute, eh?  An installer secretly becomes part of DRM in your system, and you could have downloaded it with anything. I find it's quite interesting that XP actively resists all attempts to remove or disable that puppy. It even works in Win95, though you can at least disable the spyware aspect by getting rid of MSISIP.DLL and putting "del c:\windows\system\msisip.dll" in autoexec.bat.