How's this idea?

[Xeen]

A new idea has been introduced to try to get P2P users to pay a small flat fee in exchange for legally being allowed to share and download other sharer's music. The fee would be voluntary and would  directly to the artists.

Some musicians have been asked about this and they think it's a good idea, and a few have said they encourage sharing anyway. The RIAA however is firmly against this idea.

http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,62434,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1

[mobrien_12]

The RIAA and the MPAA will be vehemently against anything that reduces their level of control over content.

[restin256]

I think most if not all artists should go indie. People who make music for the fun of it or for other people shouldn't exactly demand money from people, you'll find that SuSE makes more than Lindows because they ask for money and not demand it.

[Xeen]

quote:Originally posted by restin256:
I think most if not all artists should go indie. People who make music for the fun of it or for other people shouldn't exactly demand money from people, you'll find that SuSE makes more than Lindows because they ask for money and not demand it.

Might also be because Lindows is kinda crappy.

[restin256]

Yeah, but from users I've heard it's n00b-friendly (that is, if you have your credit card on hand).

[WMD]

This article is proof that DRM is about control, not protection.  Now I'd like to hear Jimmy James speak about this one  

[hm_murdock]

CONTROL KICKS ASS

Protection is about control. Imagine that. By having some level of control in there, you protect your interests.

WOW, WHAT A CONCEPT

I don't like the RIAA, I think their bullshit is just that, bullshit. They're on a campaign of propaganda, which is just now starting to grow thin on the public and in Washington. Many legislators are coming to hate the DMCA, and gods know the Supreme Court has.

The DMCA is heading for some changes.

But, I can, in fact, say with some certainty that the RIAA has the *right intentions*. They *perceive a threat* to their business. And what does business exist for?

We'll go to our studio audience for the answer.

"Yeah, Jimmy. My name is Bob, and I'm from Kenosha, WI. Would 'profit' be the correct answer?"

YES IT WOULD BOB FROM KENOSHA!

The RIAA though, is unlike most business, completely over the line in their pursuit of said profits. It's the RIAA and similar "new capitalists" who give business a bad name.

They see business as the end, not a means.

Please note that all that I have said is the truth.

[flap]

I don't see what your objection to the RIAA is. How have they gone over the line, in your opinion?

[hm_murdock]

TEHY SOO TEH POEPUL WHOO BY TEH MUSAEK ANED GIEVE THEM TEH MONAY!!!!!!!111LLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[flap]

Aren't they just protecting their interests? If you think illegally downloaders are wrong, then why do you object to their being sued?

[hm_murdock]

NEVER TREAT YOUR CUSTOMER LIKE THE ENEMY

larn abuot teh biznuss, yuo giye!!!!11111llololololololol

[flap]

So if a bank's customer robs them, they should just be let off? I don't understand how you can view illegal downloading as being stealing but then not agree with people being prosecuted. And why are you convinced that people who download also buy cds?

[hm_murdock]

All people are "customers" unless you have a physical retail location. If you're a large company with products to sell, then everybody is a customer.

The simple fact is I'd like to see the RIAA fail and be torn asunder. As a musician, I see them as the absolute enemy to me and my dream. They would love nothing more than to steal my work, sell it as their own, and pay me a pittance in return. The RIAA is anti-music.

I'm not anti-business, but the RIAA is against me and my ambition, therefore, their demise is favorable. I would watch in giddy ecstasy as they fell into ruin, the false pretences torn down, and the truth of their villainy and malice exposed.

In the event that nobody's noticed, I'm an arrogant, rude, hate-filled and spiteful asshole who loves to see those who stand in my way FAIL.

The failure of others is the easiest, quickest, and most assured way to the top.

edit: I have no need to explain myself to the likes of you.

[ March 02, 2004: Message edited by: jimmyjames.sytes.net ]

[flap]

But the RIAA are suing the fans, not the musicians. Assuming that you think control and copy-restriction are "protecting" the artists, then aren't the RIAA acting in their interests by prosecuting those who "steal" from them?

[hm_murdock]

You have no capacity for logic. Go back to school and ask them to teach you about "problem solving", and "how to not be a dipshit".

The point is that the RIAA's ideas go beyond making profit. Their actions show that they view their own existance as the end.

Let me explain it for you, shall I? No objections? Good.

Now, business is, simply put, methods by which you acquire profit. You may produce your own goods, or provide your own service, but when dealing with the payment, and the way you go about finding customers, and dealing with them is business.

The end result is that you have something that you didn't have before.

Do you know what that is?

Money.

The methods by which you got it including, providing a good or service, and carrying out a transaction (you perform the service, or deliver the good, in exchange for payment) are business.

The RIAA, however, obviously views business as the END, and not the MEANS by which profit is achieved. Musicians be damned, customers be damned, WE ARE BUSINESS, RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.

They've made claims before about how they'll stop selling music. I find that hilarious. HOW WILL THEY MAKE PROFITS? They stop selling music. This means, no celebrities that will endorse them. No personalities means no memorabilia to sell. No celebrities recording music means no royalties to collect because nobody is wanting to use the music for things.

Guess what happens then? The musicians sell their stuff on their own, AND EVERYBODY WINS EXCEPT THE RIAA.

Well, I guess in their own mind, they win, because now nobody is stealing their music, as they no longer sell any. CHALK UP ANOTHER GREAT VICTORY FOR BUSINESS!

Please note that this is the truth.