The shittyest distro

[Calum]

Anyway Calum the spellchecker you use can

[Master of Reality]

i never liked fedora... although i used to use redhat all the time. I can't recall many that i actually tried and disliked. I think im just a loving person.

Ahh.. i think the "distro" i tried to make  with build your own linux and failed would have to be the shittyest i tried to use.

[Nobber]

Well, my vote must go to Ubuntu - not because it's a shitty distro exactly, but because it's the only distro I've ever tried whose installer failed to recognise the partition table on /dev/hda, so I couldn't even install it. :rolleyes:

[Kintaro]

Well there's a thread to discuss your favorate distro, now how about the one that sucks the most?

Redhat/Fedora
I came to this forum dissing Linux because I'd had a bad experiance with Redhat 9 - it's slower than XP and often locks up. I recently tried Fedora Core 3 and it hasn't improved at all it's just as bloated as ever and to think people criticise Windows for this.

Linspire
I admit I haven't tried Linspire but it sucks because you have to pay to get software that would otherwise be free and their marketing policy is a joke too:http://www.gapmanwebdesign.com/runlinspire.php

 I don't know whats in your crackpipe, but I have Fedora Core 3 running beautifully on my machine over here (PIII 850), with still plenty of ram to spare, does it do nothing? Hell no.

It runs SMBD which is freqently used by me to watch DVD's in bed from my laptop which stream off the harddisk, try getting this to run reliably with Windows XP hosting the files, or Windows 2003 Server, I have tried both and it works terribly.

It runs Apache2/PHP as well hosting a SSL powered forum along with MySQL which take up a reasonable amount of memory together. Especially using SSL!

It hosts SSH, NFS, Webmin, and snort (better security then anything Microsoft ships with, Fedora Core 3 ships with this, some of the most advanced IDS security around, for nothing).

Along with that it constantly runs XMMS and mplayer so I can watch movies and listen to music, so it doubles as a multimedia station. It runs WindowMaker and usually has 5 workspaces running with xterms spawled across them to monitor things, it also constantly runs Bittorrent and Nicotine.

Oh and Gaim, another 10mb or so of ram.

This system has 375mb of ram availible to Linux, with 190Mb free at the moment.

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My windows XP laptop is currently running Gaim, Firefox, Cygwin, Windowblinds, Google Mail Notifier, The OpenOffice Quicklaunch, and a virus checker (somthing I dont even need on Linux).

It has an AMD 2600+ Mobile Sempron.

It has 512mb of ram.

It boots slowerer then the fedora machine which is packed with services and other things.

It is currently using 381mb of ram.

Even when the Fedora Core 3 machine was running Gnome 2.8, it used far less ram and still started slightly faster.

So where is the bloat?

[Kintaro]

Oh and the XP Laptop has some other problems as well...
* Freqent issues with networking, suddenly all TCP based conenctions are refused and cut, and ICMP only works. When I often try to select the "Repair" mode or simpily disable and renable the Local Area Network it stalls and causes the Operating System to crash.
* While doing some bandwidth testing with some software, it got a STOP error and an instant reboot, networking related.
* I have had no problems like this using Knoppix for network testing from now on, and have tried to crash it many times, because I figured it was the network adapter: Nope, Windows, or the Adapters Driver (provided by Microsoft) is fucked.
* Lack of POSIX compliance.
* Lack of Software compatibility (see above) for the software I run.
* Poor filesystem (no case sensitivity)
* Poor security updates system (getting informed about updates is rather hit and miss)
* Poor control over how security updates are handled, you get three options with this.
* Openoffice loads quicker on my Pentium III.
* Using any decent themes requires third party software that is shareware.
* Poor webbrowser shipped with Operating System.
* Poor stability with explorer.exe
* Poor interface on Microsoft provided Instant Messengers (and features) MSN 7.0 does not support: Tabs, Mouse Gestures, Buddy Pounce, Multiprotocol, and also the Interface is horrible to use and navigate.
* Poor control over soundcard (I have noticed on this laptop and on my PC that Linux is literally LOUDER then windows in sound output and because of this greater sound output the amount of noise on the line is far less then in Windows.
* Specialist DVD and CD recording requires serveral third party applications.
* DVD ripping requires more third party applications.
* Windows Media Player 10 causes many issues with proformance, more third party software required.

Fedora Core 3 on the other hand, does not need so much third party software to get things done, Fedora Core 3 features far more advanced security, A far more advanced Graphical User Interface and Command Line Interface.

Windows XP Home costs money

Fedora Core 3 was originally Fedora Core 1, which I got off a friend, which was then upgraded when I got apt-get.

So uhm, where is the bloat.

Moreso, Windows does not run most my applications, that is a fact, and a sad one at that when millions of loosers with subaverage genitals bitch about Linux and Software compatibility.

Yes! I am downloading the FC3 DVD as we speak to never use Microsloth again, like I did before I got the laptop.

After nearly three months (got it for christmas), Windows can get fucked... forever.

[Kintaro]

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[Aloone_Jonez]

Oh no I knew I would probably upset some Fedora fanboy.

But I've found both Windows XP and knoppix faster than Redhat 9.0 and I got rid of Fedora a soon as I installed it.

Windows XP boots up in about a minute and Redhat takes at least 3. When I drag a Windows around I can actually see the Window being drawn line by line in Fedora - the graphics are faster with a non-accelerated X driver in knoppix.

The reason you've probably found Redhat fas is because you've got more RAM and Redhat eats RAM.

My machine is:
1800MHz
32MB Pro S3 savage graphics card.
256MB RAM

Yes I know it's not great, I don't use it for networking programming listening to music watching videos games ect.

I use it for burning CDs, surfing the net, Word processing, electronic circuit simulation - somthing that Linux can't do very well yet as all the simulation software is Windows only and there are not good Linux programs for this, but I've had this discussion before; http://www.microsuck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8833

I'm glad that Fedora worked for you but it's never worked for me. Redhat 9 has kernel panicked more times than Windows XP has crashed, and knoppix is faster and uses a lot less memory even though it's run from a CD!

So I'm happy for you but I'll just keep using Windows for my main OS and Vector Linux/Knoppix when I'm in a Linuxy mood.

This thread wasn't designed to piss anyone off or be anti-Linux I just realised Linux isn't all good they're some really shitty distros out there even though most are good. What might work well for you might suck for someone else and vice versa.

[WMD]

Kintaro...dude...waayyyy too many processes.  I'm running 72....

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[Kintaro]

Oh no I knew I would probably upset some Fedora fanboy.

But I've found both Windows XP and knoppix faster than Redhat 9.0 and I got rid of Fedora a soon as I installed it.

Fedora Core 3 and Red-Hat 9.0 are different things, stop babbleing... lunatic.

Windows XP boots up in about a minute and Redhat takes at least 3. When I drag a Windows around I can actually see the Window being drawn line by line in Fedora - the graphics are faster with a non-accelerated X driver in knoppix.

Then turn use the other driver in Fedora, moron.

The reason you've probably found Redhat fas is because you've got more RAM and Redhat eats RAM.

My machine is:
1800MHz
32MB Pro S3 savage graphics card.
256MB RAM

Yes I know it's not great, I don't use it for networking programming listening to music watching videos games ect.

I use it for burning CDs, surfing the net, Word processing, electronic circuit simulation - somthing that Linux can't do very well yet as all the simulation software is Windows only and there are not good Linux programs for this, but I've had this discussion before; http://www.microsuck.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8833

Crossover Office will probably run it however, I can get Macromedia Flash, Photoshop 9.0, Internet Explorer, and all kinds of crap to run in it with no problem at all.

I'm glad that Fedora worked for you but it's never worked for me. Redhat 9 has kernel panicked more times than Windows XP has crashed, and knoppix is faster and uses a lot less memory even though it's run from a CD!

Knoppix does seem to be very badass in that respect. I used to run all latest RC releases on my PIII before it became a server and everything, never had a kernel panic, the word kernel panic to me means: fucked hardware. But then, I never used Red-Hat 9.0,  I remember having some problems with Red-Hat 8.0 and using slackware for the longest time.

So I'm happy for you but I'll just keep using Windows for my main OS and Vector Linux/Knoppix when I'm in a Linuxy mood.

I used to be a like that, but then, I'm seventeen now and I have been running Linux on at least one system, or one partition since I was 13.

This thread wasn't designed to piss anyone off or be anti-Linux I just realised Linux isn't all good they're some really shitty distros out there even though most are good. What might work well for you might suck for someone else and vice versa.

Yes, well when I think back, Red-Hat can be very piss_you_off with a lot of things. Maybe I just enjoy the challenge, but I cannot stand the Windows Interface, I have cygwin but still... Windows' Neanderthol Filesystem (what the fuck are drive letters doing in the 21st century) has its problems with making that easily managable (with the fact cygwin works hte UNIX way).

[Aloone_Jonez]

Fedora Core 3 and Red-Hat 9.0 are different things, stop babbleing... lunatic.

I tried both and I don't like either of them.

Then turn use the other driver in Fedora, moron.

Yes but I could turn on my computer and start Vector Linux or Windows and be ready to work in a minute rather that waiting ages for Fedora to boot.

Crossover Office will probably run it however, I can get Macromedia Flash, Photoshop 9.0, Internet Explorer, and all kinds of crap to run in it with no problem at all.

I've tried Wine and it didn't work.

I'd rather not buy Crossover Office and then risk discovering it doesn't work. You're retarded, why the fuck do you run MSIE under Linux?

Knoppix does seem to be very badass in that respect. I used to run all latest RC releases on my PIII before it became a server and everything, never had a kernel panic, the word kernel panic to me means: fucked hardware. But then, I never used Red-Hat 9.0,  I remember having some problems with Red-Hat 8.0 and using slackware for the longest time.

Yes Redhat 9 did but Fedora didn't it was just a very slow.

I used to be a like that, but then, I'm seventeen now and I have been running Linux on at least one system, or one partition since I was 13.

I'm still contemplating buying another PC to run Linux on. I go to auction every week and next time there's a half decent blank PC I'll test it with my knoppix disk. Blank PCs always go cheap as people are dumb and think they don't work because Windows isn't installed.

Yes, well when I think back, Red-Hat can be very piss_you_off with a lot of things. Maybe I just enjoy the challenge, but I cannot stand the Windows Interface, I have cygwin but still... Windows' Neanderthol Filesystem (what the fuck are drive letters doing in the 21st century) has its problems with making that easily managable (with the fact cygwin works hte UNIX way

Well I don't want a challenge I just want to get my work done. And yes the Windows file systemm is shitty but I don't have a problem with the Windows interface - I'm used to it. If I go for Linux it'll be Vector Linux or knoppix installed on the hard disk. Fedora lists a minium requirement of 256MB of ram in graphic mode and 192MB in text mode! wtf knoppix can run a full GUI with KDE and no swap file/partition with just 84MB and Vector Linux will run a gui (XFCE instead of KDE) in 32MB, or 16MB for text mode.

[Aloone_Jonez]

Kintaro...dude...waayyyy too many processes.  I'm running 72....

WMD, yes bloated isn't it?

I run Vector Linux with XFCE on 256MB of ram and the swap partition is very rarely used, you have 512MB and you're only running a few programs and it's using 438.375MB of swap space.

[solemnwarning]

I Run Fedora On My PC Box I Must Admit It Takes A Few Mins To Boot But After Boot It Is Very Fast

[Calum]

Windows XP boots up in about a minute and Redhat takes at least 3. When I drag a Windows around I can actually see the Window being drawn line by line in Fedora - the graphics are faster with a non-accelerated X driver in knoppix.

can i just say something?:

CONFIGURABILITY!

there, i said it. how fast can you *make* windows boot up, and how fast can you *make* fedora boot up. sure, you might think fedora's default configuration sucks the brown goo from satan's scaly ringpiece, but with a linux distribution you can configure it a hell of a lot to work just how you like, in a lot of ways. by contrast windows has a huge wadge of deliberately unintelligible jibberish (known to many as the registry) instead of a human readable /etc directory, and consequently you can't do very much that you want to configure system level things with it.

The reason you've probably found Redhat fas is because you've got more RAM and Redhat eats RAM.

hmm, fair enough, but then think about this, why doesn't windows eat RAM as efficiently as red hat in circumstances where more RAM is available? and why is it that i have often (in the past admittedly) heard that red hat can be made to run properly on low RAM systems, where windows simply will not run?

I'm glad that Fedora worked for you but it's never worked for me. Redhat 9 has kernel panicked more times than Windows XP has crashed, and knoppix is faster and uses a lot less memory even though it's run from a CD!

i'm not trying to insult you here, because i think user-friendliness is something that linux distros really lack compared with the expectations of windows users, however if you get past that, and imagine that a user can configure their linux system to their own preferences, you must see that if knoppix works well, fedora should be able to be made to work at least as well, on a specific machine.

[manandmachine]

well i know fodora core 3 sucks on my amd 64, its been a nitmare just to get it in.
i burned 8 no 1 iso images,  the other disc's no problem, its has its own drive, my buddy say's linux is great bla bla fine if your a programer, not for window's users at all, stupid intellent fucks lol
ok i know its in the coverting linux word commands into english , the system cross references  too much, than they use comands words to cross reference comand words, still can not install video card drivers. my linux buddy tried following the instructions to no avail. I think they should worry less about trying to out bloat windows, well my drive buggered up and some my buddy puts knoppix in my ram, and ran it from there! Sweet thats a good OS one cd, quick to install , has kde
Yet the fedora fall real short on my first linux experience, but the knoppix keeps my interest
I want to run a server with apache but if its like fodora forget it, yet the other day i spyed with my eye solaris 10 sun mirco systems now that puppy is kick ass. has apache in it, looks very automated , perhaps they should send linux OS there for makeover?:tux:

[solemnwarning]

fedora is a very powerful distro, i run my external server on it:

IMAP Mail (Dovecot)
SMTP (Postfix) might go to QMail
HTTP (Apache)
FTP (VsFTPD)
IRC (UnrealIRCD)
MySQL (MySQLD)

this took me less then 6 hours to work out, it was  my first server on linux, before i switched all servers to linux they were running winshit 2k3 :scared: "winshit2k3 the way to be insecure" :thumbdwn: lmfao