was i hacked or did MS screw me?

[Chooco]

this guy i know named Voogru spammed me 800 ICQ messages. i retaliated by making a PHP program which send him over 4000 emails and caused his mail server to crash. i restarted my WinXP computer because the menus were starting to get fudged, say you hit file in mozilla, none of the options can be seen unless you move the mouse over them. i restart the computer and when it came up it said Explorer.exe was missing this dll: SHDOCVW.dll and that i had to reinstall Windows

did Voogru hax me or did Windows fux me? Voogru is quite knowledgable in C, C++, PHP and he is somewhat fairly aquainted with how networking works.

[lazygamer]

Interesting.... I thought hackers(or crackers) rarely engaged each other, too busy raping stationary, non dynamic/reactive targets like n00bs and websites.

In a h4x0r vs h4x0r fight, someone will miserably lose.  

Well if you happen to know this guy on a non RL enemy basis(you met him on the net I mean), it sounds like very exceptional circumstances. Now take out those digital turn tables and lay down the ph@t n00b castrating beats.  

[rtgwbmsr]

It used to be more common (and more fun) around the times of windoze 9x, winnukes, hyperterminal etc...thoze wur the daze!

[lazygamer]

Lol ok. Well I think it's pretty gay that Wind0ze will refuse to work correctly after the right type of crash. My brother once DOS(correct term?) his roomate's computer and it crashed. Then it gave the BSOD(always gave it when you booted into windows), and Trenton(my big bro) had to fix it. His roomate was pretty pissed off at him.  

Now would Linux recover from crashes much better? I assume it would...

[Refalm]

quote:lazygamer: My brother once DOS(correct term?) his roomate's computer and it crashed.

No... the correct term is "DoS" (Denial of Service).

DOS is an operating system.

[DC]

quote:Originally posted by lazygamer:
Now would Linux recover from crashes much better? I assume it would...

Err... Isn't Linux quite *bad* at crashing (chance of FS annihilation and such)?

[Calum]

firstly a properly configured linux machine would be next to impossible to crash via a network, second of all, fucking you deserve all you get trying to kiddie -hack with windows xp and internet exploder! sorry, but you do.

yes it is windows that is the problem, to answer your question.

oh yeah, and i reckon you are at least as vulnerable in windows to a crash as you are in linux. with windows, you crash and your registry corrupts. Basically, any program that was not closed in the correct fashion did not finish writing to the registry, and there's no way to fix it. you just keep on plodding until it is so fucked you need to reinstall. with linux... no registry! problem solved. also, the filesystem in linux is more robust and if you use a journalling filesystem (something windows has not managed to support yet as far as i know) you are safer still.

Just because fsck takes longer to run than scandisk does not mean it is not as good. quite the contrary.

[ September 02, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]

[rtgwbmsr]

It's like "Script kiddies stike back"        

Grow up! Unless this is a longtime enemy of yours, and you have some unresolvable vendetta, you should have dropped it a while ago. Spamming over ICQ isn't all that rare, and it might have been a mass-spam, not just toward you.

And uhh...why are you using ex-pee? 2000 isn't horrible, but ex-pee is the worst. I refuse to develop for it.

Calum: WTF? I never knew you could hack through IE!

It's also VERY difficult (if at all possible) to crash the MacOS, especially over a network. I tried desperately for hours to no avail. It takes a while to process all of the junk you throw at it, but it does eventually.

1 last thing: Never hack anything that belongs to an ISP. Serious shit happens when you do, especially in the US.

And choasforages, if you see this, check your private messages.

[ September 02, 2002: Message edited by: The_Muffin_Man/ Dustin /B0b ]

[lazygamer]

Ok n00b question, what is journaling? How does Linux function with no registry? Can you safely hack an ISP comp or government computer if you were good enough? Or would you always be quite easy to catch, no matter how good you are?

I once asked my brother if it was possible to hack one of those MMORPGS and get a free account. He told me you could(have to be good), but you leave so much footprints that you'd get caught and possibly sued. Interesting, sounds like we leave some footprints that are made of cement.  

[choasforages]

as for hacking the governement, its possible, but it would only be possible out of someones stupidety, the solarise admin, well, they has a single computer in the back that is connected to the internet, and people watch when you use it. but don't think your going to find anything cool like the movie hackers, youll just find some office dudes sick ass p0rn. and for safty, do you like running away, like being on the run for the rest of YOUR LIFE.


and linux uses text based config files, most notable in the /etc directory to configure everything

as for mmorpgs, you would get cement feet, cuase last time i check, evercrack dealers really want their cash

[Stryker]

Heh, if you are going to go after the government, why not do something more constructive like microsoft?

[sporkme]

the NSA is the counter-computer-crimes strongarm.  they are very secretive, but it has long been known that, generally, if they catch you hacking some kind of top-level shit, they will offer you a job.  if you refuse, i assume they bury you.

thus, they have the best hackers looking for you.

[Master of Reality]

quote:Originally posted by choasforages:
and for safty, do you like running away, like being on the run for the rest of YOUR LIFE.

coughmitnickcough

[Chooco]

i feel sorry for mitnick  

under his current order, it's illegal if he even touches a computer in a Best Buy store  

that dude should be working for the government or the cops or something, he's just insanely powerful with a computer.