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How to make your Windows machine more stable and secure
muzzy:
Ideological/political reasons are fine, there's nothing wrong with it if that's indeed the reason. But a lot of people have such reasons, yet claim otherwise. This is silly and annoying, because there's no point discussing with them about the issues they claim are the reason, because they're not the reason.
What is "best" always relates to some specific use and specific requirements. Windows isn't "the best operating system" for this reason alone, such a concept as "universally best" just doesn't exist. Things can be good for some purposes or bad for some purposes, but are generally not universally good or bad.
Oh, and it's quite naive to think that the sales price is the only thing that affects cost of running a system. Ofcourse, it's easy to find a scenario where a free (as in beer) operating systems are truly cheaper than windows, but it's equally easy to find a scenario where windows ends up cheaper to run. It's a case to case thing, and its significance varies from case to case as well.
Orethrius:
TCO is bullshit jargon used to justify the existence of a system that costs US $350 retail, ~ US $180 OEM. Maybe if it only measured cost of maintenance, there'd be a fair competition, but corporations always feel the need to include the ever-more-vague - and highly subjective - term "training" in the shootouts. Figures.
Kintaro:
Muzzy you have a point about understanding the system.
Personally I do not see it as technologically superior. Linux has as much as NT does, it has accses control lists and everything you have talked of so far, and just like Windows most distro's dont use them. However Fedora has SELinux as an option for example, which I have mentioned, and being The Linux Hitler I repeat myself often.
You might want to start it in another thread, because I am curious what Windows has that Linux does not.
muzzy:
--- Quote from: Orethrius ---TCO is bullshit jargon used to justify the existence of a system that costs US $350 retail, ~ US $180 OEM. Maybe if it only measured cost of maintenance, there'd be a fair competition, but corporations always feel the need to include the ever-more-vague - and highly subjective - term "training" in the shootouts. Figures.
--- End quote ---
Well, TCO just basically means how much the company has to invest to use some system. To be able to operate a system, you need to be able to use it. If some people don't know how to use windows and the required applications, you need training. Same applies for linux and the required applications. Comparing mere numbers is pointless, though. Whatever method is used to calculate costs, it will vary on case by case basis.
With TCO, as with all statistics, you have to understand what is being measured and if it applies to what you're using it for before you use it. If your case doesn't match with the assumptions used for the calculations, the numbers are worthless. However, just because generic studies don't work in some specific cases doesn't mean things aren't that way. Windows based solutions can be cheap, and often are, for specific cases.
Calum:
oddly enough, the discussion has veered away from the issue of IE's integratedness, almost immediately after me getting a bitchslap for going "off topic". And now we've got another moaning sourface chiming in purely to whine about what's on and off topic too!
considering the thread is called "How to make your Windows machine more stable and secure", i wonder why certain people keep trying to intimidate certain other people (some of whom are no doubt not posting here as a result) by moaning about them being off topic.
this thread title includes a WIDE range of potential discussions and I think that people (esp people who are not moderators) should probably moan LESS about what's on and off topic.
and this post is not off topic, consider it an administrative comment, i suppose.
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