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sorry
« on: 20 March 2005, 18:19 »
i enjoyed this place

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Re: sorry
« Reply #1 on: 20 March 2005, 20:12 »
IM me. Please.
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Re: sorry
« Reply #2 on: 20 March 2005, 20:30 »
What is this, the second time you've left this week? :rolleyes:
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Re: sorry
« Reply #3 on: 20 March 2005, 20:38 »
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I don't know what to say. . .

I really don't.

I hope you get over your problems - you don't seem a bad person to me.
« Last Edit: 20 March 2005, 20:40 by Aloone_Jonez »
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Re: sorry
« Reply #4 on: 20 March 2005, 21:52 »
That looks horribly lot like a suicide note. In a way, I understand what you're saying. However, it feels like you're trying too much and feeling guilty for not meeting some "expectations".

Here's something for you to think about: Why do these expectations matter? Are you responsible to someone about your behaviour? The world won't cry if you can't meet your expectations of yourself, and the only true way to stop escaping the issues are to face them. You consider yourself selfish? Welcome to the club! Everyone is, don't be fooled by any dogma that says otherwise.

So, you think you're a bad person, and still you think it's your responsibility to not be a bad person? While I understand you don't believe in yourself, why do you feel guilty for what you are? It's not your fault, everyone has a right to exist. If you really were pure selfish, you wouldn't feel that guilt. What do you think about this? Does this make you think that perhaps you don't feel guilty, but you WANT to feel guilty? To be a better person...

Don't try to be anything specific, don't worry about it, don't take thing so seriously. Things will never work out perfectly (except perhaps by accident), and a lot of the time things won't work well at all. That's life. The ups and the downs. The good and the bad. Without one, the other doesn't exist either. If only one side existed, the other wouldn't have much meaning either.

Just my two cents. I hope it doesn't offend you that someone from the "enemy camp" is trying to give you advice in life :)

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Re: sorry
« Reply #5 on: 20 March 2005, 22:33 »
Great post muzzy!

I agree with you 100% :thumbup:
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Re: sorry
« Reply #6 on: 20 March 2005, 23:14 »
Quote from: muzzy
That looks horribly lot like a suicide note. In a way, I understand what you're saying. However, it feels like you're trying too much and feeling guilty for not meeting some "expectations".

Here's something for you to think about: Why do these expectations matter? Are you responsible to someone about your behaviour? The world won't cry if you can't meet your expectations of yourself, and the only true way to stop escaping the issues are to face them. You consider yourself selfish? Welcome to the club! Everyone is, don't be fooled by any dogma that says otherwise.

So, you think you're a bad person, and still you think it's your responsibility to not be a bad person? While I understand you don't believe in yourself, why do you feel guilty for what you are? It's not your fault, everyone has a right to exist. If you really were pure selfish, you wouldn't feel that guilt. What do you think about this? Does this make you think that perhaps you don't feel guilty, but you WANT to feel guilty? To be a better person...

Don't try to be anything specific, don't worry about it, don't take thing so seriously. Things will never work out perfectly (except perhaps by accident), and a lot of the time things won't work well at all. That's life. The ups and the downs. The good and the bad. Without one, the other doesn't exist either. If only one side existed, the other wouldn't have much meaning either.

Just my two cents. I hope it doesn't offend you that someone from the "enemy camp" is trying to give you advice in life :)


Thanks for the advice... if you want to read what I did: https://kintarolabs.sytes.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=408#408 (Note: I do not have $150 US Dollars to buy a real certificate, however the connection is still secure - which is for a reason with certain private content and projects ran on my forum).

I don't have a lot against you, the references to hitler and things was a result of doing a lot of work for english that day. What was an essay about the book Night - one of the best books I have read.

Last night after I left that message, or should I say this morning I was out for a couple of hours. Then I started seeing messages, IM messages. I literally had these really clear dream like visions, of my gaim window and messages from people saying "hello" and being worried. From a few of my friends from here, and other places. This made me think a little more positive and I started to realise pretty much what you said, kinda.

Anyway, thanks.

I'm going to go read my book, watch blackadder, or something.

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Re: sorry
« Reply #7 on: 21 March 2005, 00:07 »
Well, getting away from internet and that stuff might help for a while. However, if your problems come from how you feel about yourself, you won't be able to find any "cure" from the outside. Don't let it discourage you, though, it can be relaxing to break routines sometimes, even if it might make you feel a little insecure about being in an unusual situation. The only way to get through these things are to face them, for if you try to avoid things you'll just find the fear creeping over the rest of your life as well. Let go of your image of yourself and just do what you want to do. Don't be afraid of doing bad, you aren't responsible to anyone but yourself for your own success and failure. So, it's always ok no matter how things go. If you don't like it, try to change it. If you can't change it, worrying won't help either.

So, don't worry about stuff. If you can't get over the guilt, you could try thinking about who are you working for. Who exactly is having these expections of you, and why exactly is it your responsibility to fulfill them? Thinking that everyone is responsible for making the world a better place is simple and naive, obviously if things worked like that we wouldn't need police or military. Better for who? Who defines what's good and what's bad, what's right and what's wrong? Morals are just things that have been taught to you, they aren't universal and absolute. Ultimately, you're the one being manipulated by the morals, even though you think you are manipulating others through your actions.

Just live like you feel like living. People do stupid and bad things, but that doesn't make them stupid or bad people.

As a final note, since you seem to be the type that thinks a lot, you might enjoy reading about discordianism. Read The Principia Discordia and think about its message. It's great for mere entertainment, but there's a lot of wisdom into it as well.

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Re: sorry
« Reply #8 on: 21 March 2005, 02:44 »
I have read bits of the principia discordia, and had interest in it. I write a lot of poetry and in one of my poems, I featured it.

I agree with what you say. In fact I now I think you are very damn cool indeed.

I have suffered mood swings and depression for a long time, personally I think it runs in the family. My mother tried to kill herself about a month ago. Last year when my perants seperated I let that get to me and started smoking pot to forget. I realised pretty quick that wasn't the answer, and only smoked pot occasionally. Pot became a habit because, my mood swings and other events, my natural paranoia I have had about social relationships, made me loose two close friends at school. I started smoking more pot after that, a lot more. It made me feel better, but I would never admit it was stupid. Getting into pot more earned me new friends, that became my replacement family. I ended up working for my mum who runs a wrecking yard and got a steady girlfriend. Well the steady girlfriend got me interested in getting a job. She never asked anything of me, but she also helped me change a lot from doing stupid things like vandalism and crap like that with my other friends (lets face it girls are greater then graffiti). We both smoked pot, we lived apart as well. I think thats why it worked out for a long time (around 6 or 7 months). Danielle was also very understanding of me which helped, and I had problems with mood swings and stuff then as well, a lot of my relationships in the past, girls have just got sick of it and left me, etc. I was never that bad when I was with her, she ended up cheating on me - She wasn't expecting me, I showed up to suprise her, and I got suprised to see her best friends head in between her legs (female friend). I left her because of that. I was still alright after that, I still had the confidence she gave me. I still have a lot of that now.

Smokeing pot last year was alright because I was at a "dropout school". I did alright for the first half of year 10. From year 7 and 8 I was mostly the class clown, and would get in trouble. We moved to the suburbs after that. For year 9 and 10 at the new school I didn't want to get in trouble all the time. I was very very quiet minus about 3 people, I would get anxiety every time I went to say anything, everything I did say was very quiet - but most the time no words would come out at all. Towards the end of the year 10 I got into hacking the schools network (thanks to an insecure Linux setup ;) , courtsy of Novell Zenworks disk imaging software I might add). I took down the fileserver, so nobody could get to their work. When I did this the teacher let us all play games instead. Also around this time I started to catch up with old friends from year 8 on the weekends, and got into stimulant drugs. I started taking the server out more often, which they could never find out why - and started bragging about it. Someone dobbed me in who knew basically what I was doing (booting into a root bash prompt, setting the IP to that of the file server, and doing a ping -bf to the broadcast address). I got banned from the schools network which ment no IT class, and that was the only class I had interest in. I met up with some very wrong people at school and got involved in organised crime and doing harder drugs (meth). I stopped showing up to school at all for the last few months. I failed every subject because of that - thats how I ended up repeating year 10 part time.

Anyway, back to weed. Because of school this year, I am taking it a lot more serious. When I gave up smoking weed I started feeling a lot better. I used to get angry when I was smoking pot and not stoned, for the longest time I ignored that and justified it. I would get angry at myself or others - after one episode where I attacked my father who I am very close to, I managed to control it better, from the guilt of doing it. This was when I was with Danielle, and even long before then. I used to do stupid things and get angry with myself and punch myself in the head for simple mistakes. When I stopped smoking pot this stopped after meerly a week or so. I felt a bunch better, but then the mood swings I still had.

The mood swings I still had, but the effect changed: they were never angry. I would often wake up in the morning, I could be feeling fine, then I would start crying over nothing. About a month and bit into school I rang my ex girlfriend Danielle. I just wanted to try and be friends with her, but she was angry with me for leaving her still I think, and told me there was never anything between us in the first place. I still loved her and this killed a part of me, maybe it was enhanced by suffering mood swings already, but I cried a lot for a few days. I got over it however. The mood swings I kept having, after crying and getting that out, it wasn't as persistant as it used to be. I would still have them, I then decided to get help with it. As I said, I have been taking school more seriously. I seen my normal GP and he asked me a bunch of questions and put the answers into some nifty computer program, he said from what he was told I could possibly suffer Borderline Personality Disorder. This actually seems a lot like the psychosis I suffer, minus major hallcination type symtoms. He refeered me to a psychiatrist which took a while, and then the appointment was even longer away. I started to research the problem then, which has led to me being a little better because I could deal with the problem by understanding it.

Then not so long after that I started to get the psychosis, voices, and stuff like that. It kept getting worse and really started effecting school. I ended up going to the school about it, and they refered me to another place which has got much quicker action. I have been doing school from home since which has been more of the problem. I have been stressing about my work and stuff as well. However the mood swings before the psychosis where not quite as bad. I would have some suicidal thoughts in them when they were really bad, but that wasn't too often and I never got angry enough to put it to action. However with the psychosis effects it has got more drastic, sometimes I get them even when I feeling rational.

I have been apoligizing to some people I have been mean to late last year and stuff. Even my mother, who I got very angry at for taking the settlement over there seperation to court. I have not talked to her since january. I wrote her a letter to say I am sorry, because it has been stressing me for a couple of weeks or a month or so that she tried to kill herself. However also I went to a forum I used to talk on to say I am sorry to a couple of people I said some harsh shit about, that was on my mind. I went there and while searching old posts I found one I never seen where someone made a harsh comment about my Sexual Abuse From A Victim essay. I got angry and ranted about that instead, which pissed him and some people off. However then later that evening I finally posted my public apology. She rejected it, and other members (they are all rather immature retards minus a select few) laughed at it. She did not accept it and brought up other things I did from another thing I had apologized for in the past. I can understand her reaction, I could then. However another members post really got me thinking about the thing I did, that and neglected sleep. I cannot remember making the threat she I did, which was very disgusting. However I let that get to me, probably because I had been doing dexies and crap all week just to escape my problems as well. And thats what lead to writing the note, and other things.

However this year I have been much better at school. I have been getting along with people and stuff, which has been good. Because I have been getting along with students, my teachers, and enjoying the work. On top of this I have been acting like myself, so apart from the mood swings and stuff I have been pretty happy.

Anyway, I have had really little sleep, and now I am off to bed to pass out, when I wake I will call my brother and stuff.

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Re: sorry
« Reply #9 on: 21 March 2005, 02:53 »
read this whole site
http://www.themeaningoflife.org/

something everyone should do is learn something about themselves. you should already know your astrology sign. reasearch about your own.

then, learn about your birthnumber. mine is an 8. and capricorn.
(use this link below to calculate your birth #, however, ignore everything else on the page)
http://www.mcuniverse.com/Birth_Number.bn.0.html
use this link below to learn about your #. the information is quite relevant.
http://www.astroprofile.com/numerology.htm
i have a big book that tells me googles about this sort of stuff.

i was thinking like you [Kintaro] about 6 months ago. reading the meaning of life helped alot. what are some of your guys' #?

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Re: sorry
« Reply #10 on: 21 March 2005, 03:22 »
I don't have much belief in things like astrology, birth numbers and other stuff. I've never been a big believer in fate, and especially not in things which attempt to oversimplify things and then derive meanings from it. I suppose these things are made for people who have trouble finding their own path, and would rather have someone else point one at them. Then they can either agree or disagree, but either way you end up with something more. Well, as long as you don't believe what you read, but judge it. Blindly following these things can be dangerous.

Finding a path is what the first link is basically about, too. Nothing bad in that, really, it's often a good idea to follow the "standard way" and go with the flow unless you have a reason to do otherwise. Ofcourse, I also believe that it's a good idea to learn why you're going with the flow. There's a difference between walking a random path, and walking a chosen path. Even if it'd be the very same path, it makes a big difference if you understand why you're walking it. In the process of learning why you live the way you do, you might find things you disagree with. This is a good thing, as it helps you refine your views with confidence.

Blah blah. This is all getting too deep and stuff now. Just don't believe everything you read, think for yourself and you'll be fine. :P

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Re: sorry
« Reply #11 on: 21 March 2005, 08:55 »
I know everything people are saying. Yea, I still need to get to know myself but I have already done a lot of that. I know myself pretty well. I know what I want to do with myself, and other things. This note and my actions were the result primarily of a psychotic episode. This was worsened by a few cunts posts on a forum, and another person reminding me of some shit I did 2 years ago, and even some stuff I did a week ago.

Yea, basically I already did what you said MrX 3 months ago, however not with astrology. I am generally happy these days I am just insane. Muzzy puts it best, I need to think for myself.

More then anything I just need to get out of the house. Doing school from home is a bitch.

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Re: sorry
« Reply #12 on: 21 March 2005, 08:59 »
I'm still can't help but find it funny that you consider me a cool person now. Muzzy, the Cool Windows Hitler, burninating gentoo users with windows power while wearing mirror sunglasses, wide smile on his face.

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Re: sorry
« Reply #13 on: 21 March 2005, 17:49 »
Quote from: muzzy
I don't have much belief in things like astrology, birth numbers and other stuff. I've never been a big believer in fate, and especially not in things which attempt to oversimplify things and then derive meanings from it. I suppose these things are made for people who have trouble finding their own path, and would rather have someone else point one at them. Then they can either agree or disagree, but either way you end up with something more. Well, as long as you don't believe what you read, but judge it. Blindly following these things can be dangerous.

Finding a path is what the first link is basically about, too. Nothing bad in that, really, it's often a good idea to follow the "standard way" and go with the flow unless you have a reason to do otherwise. Ofcourse, I also believe that it's a good idea to learn why you're going with the flow. There's a difference between walking a random path, and walking a chosen path. Even if it'd be the very same path, it makes a big difference if you understand why you're walking it. In the process of learning why you live the way you do, you might find things you disagree with. This is a good thing, as it helps you refine your views with confidence.

Blah blah. This is all getting too deep and stuff now. Just don't believe everything you read, think for yourself and you'll be fine. :P


yes you can think the way you want. its just that it's best to research things before you snap to judgments.

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Re: sorry
« Reply #14 on: 21 March 2005, 19:38 »
gracious! there's a lot in this thread, isn't there?

X11, chin up, there's not much i can say to you that a) hasn't been said already or that b) will mean much to you at this point in time but...

i think that when a person feels down, they need to think, how is this in the bigger picture of my life? do i always feel down? will i always? if i live to be 110, will i enjoy everything between now and then? or some things? or nothing?

what i am saying is that life, whether it is filled with "good" or "bad" things, is kind of unique, and you get it, and you don't even know when the lease is up, a lot of the time you get no control over the quality of a lot of factors either. but life is about adventure.

about a hundred years ago there were a lot of explorers exploring parts of the world. tons of them had thirst, hunger, poisoning, fatigue, sunstroke, death, hard time off the locals, but it didn't stop people from exploring, because it was also great fun (and a privelege, since you probably had to be rich, or get funding from some venture capitalists).

anyway, you get the point, there's a bigger picture to consider, even though you may not want to look at it this way right now.

X11, good luck, all the best and take it easy.
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