Muzzy, why does Windows rule?

[Annorax]

jeeesus fuck!


no.

you know what? i am not even going to go further than this. i'm not even going to read this thread, let alone respond.

any thread that starts with a line like this, really doesn't need or want my input, sadly.


"good thing" !

I think you meant

But that's just me.

[muzzy]

So, you don't want to discuss the actual topic? Aww, ohwell.

Regarding the "saying what they mean" thing, it isn't as easy as you think. My words might perfectly describe what I mean, but the meaning might still not be easily understood from the words. It's like a one way function, much like a hash although making such analogy is slightly pessimistic. Any sentence can mean many different things, and interpreting the meaning differently than it was intended doesn't mean that people didn't say what they meant. People tend to say what they mean, the problem is that the words can be misunderstood.

Here's some fine dilbert strips on the subject:
http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20050324.html
http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20050326.html

[muzzy]

The whole thread is screwed because of bad expression. Looks like Eris won this one.

HAIL! HAIL! HAIL! HAIL! HAIL!
For the greater glory of dis-cooooooor-dia!

[Calum]

looks like it.

but, i still think people should be able to talk about why windows rules here, so go for it.

don't let me stop you, i just didn't think i could start in trying to comprehend a post that seemed to be saying something, that it turns out you didn't even mean to say! :-)

[Aloone_Jonez]

Well the only good thing about Windows is most hadware and software is designed for Windows.

Of course it would be better if all hardware was designed to work with Windows/Linux/BSD/BeOS etc. But what muzzy and I meant  (well I don't know 100% about muzzy but it's what I meant) is because everything's designed for Windows it's a perfectly valid reason to prefer it.

[muzzy]

I suppose you have to be a windows programmer to understand the rest of the advantages, eh. The thing that shows to user is high availability of software and hardware, and that's an aggregate result of a superior platform. That monkey boy at Microsoft got it right when he said "Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers" and so on. That's what keeps a platform alive, and that's what Windows attracts, and that's what keeps it on the top in software and hardware availability.

[Kintaro]

Yea, talking of "lock in" and Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers. I know so many people, including myself have been brought into programming by Microsoft Basic (ye old' traditional one that ran on my old TI/99/48A back when I was 7), and the newer one QBASIC that I used up till about 13. This is great except they teach really bad habits in programming that do no justice when you learn real languages.

The whole company is cancer to creativity IMO.

[mobrien_12]

Yea, talking of "lock in" and Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers. I know so many people, including myself have been brought into programming by Microsoft Basic (ye old' traditional one that ran on my old TI/99/48A back when I was 7), and the newer one QBASIC that I used up till about 13. This is great except they teach really bad habits in programming that do no justice when you learn real languages.

The whole company is cancer to creativity IMO.

 

Microsoft did not invent BASIC.  They did port it to the world's first microcomputer (the Altair).  

The TI/994a ran TI Basic, or TI Extended Basic if you bought the cartridge (IMHO a great investment).  Wow I miss that computer, even if it was horribly slow.  

History of BASIC

[Aloone_Jonez]

Well kintaro I hope you won't be locked into using Qbasic for much longer as a free clone is now being developed.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/fbc/

[Kintaro]

Microsoft did not invent BASIC.  They did port it to the world's first microcomputer (the Altair).  

The TI/994a ran TI Basic, or TI Extended Basic if you bought the cartridge (IMHO a great investment).  Wow I miss that computer, even if it was horribly slow.  

History of BASIC

I never said they did, and it was microsoft that invented the BASIC interpreter, but the langauge was never something of theirs. The basic interpreter is their only innovation. It is also the one that made them rich... the american dream.

Well kintaro I hope you won't be locked into using Qbasic for much longer as a free clone is now being developed.

http://sourceforge.net/projects/fbc/

I was actually talking about the bad habits it teaches in programming, it makes it really difficult for some people to adapt to other languages.

PS: Learn to read.

[Aloone_Jonez]

I never said they did, and it was microsoft that invented the BASIC interpreter, but the langauge was never something of theirs. The basic interpreter is their only innovation. It is also the one that made them rich... the american dream.

Yes, basic was a compiler before Microsoft made an interpreter.

I was actually talking about the bad habits it teaches in programming, it makes it really difficult for some people to adapt to other languages.

I started ptogramming in qbasic many years ago, I then had a go at C but I've never fully leaned it and I've personally found  assembly lot easier than C. I lost interest in programming and computers in general when I was about 18, when I discovered there were more interesting things in life.

PS: Learn to read.

Sorry I am severly dyslexic, :nothappy:  and have been trying to learn to read all my life with limited sucess and I currently have a reading age of only 12, but I do my best.  You can't tell me that you've never misread a post before.

[Kintaro]

Fair enough with the whole dyslexia thing, however you do a lot better with writing compared to some people I know with it, and without.

I feel guilty I was in a grade four reading level within three months of starting school, I just learn fast.

[Aloone_Jonez]

Fair enough with the whole dyslexia thing, however you do a lot better with writing compared to some people I know with it, and without.

Yes, I do my best with every post.

My problem with writing is speed more than anything my typing is slow and my handwriting is even slower and illedgible too (I often struggle reading it!).  I had to have an amanuensis for all of my exams except for English (because spelling and handwriting is a major part or the mark) I did managed to scrape an E even though they thought I would completely fail.

Reading is also hard, I never read any fiction books because I can't take in to the story as I'm concentrating too much on reading the text. I often find myself reading posts several times before I understand them fully, this is worse for longer posts, and you're right I should have read your post a bit more carefully, perhaps because I find longer posts harder to read tend I concentrate more (some of muzzy's posts take nearly hour to read!) but I should also give short posts equal attention.

I feel guilty I was in a grade four reading level within three months of starting school, I just learn fast.

Good for you!

[Kintaro]

Well I have a friend, I was in class with him last year when I was going to a "specialist school" which was filled with kids with no other school to goto, or just in need of more basic education. Mostly kids with no other school to goto however. I was there because of, well I was just sick of school and it was only part time. (Worst mistake ive ever made). Nonetheless the work was so damn easy I found myself helping my friend learn to read better (he was dyslexic as well), however he was a lot worse then you are.

[muzzy]

Hey hey, don't diss BASIC. I don't care what Dijkstra says, I started with C64 basic myself and it's a wonderful language. Regarding any "bad habits" it teaches, just learn some more languages (not just one) and you're fine.

If you disagree, what exactly do you consider to be bad in BASIC, specifically? And what are these "bad habits" you speak of?