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solemnwarning:

--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---No piece of software is perfect, at least with FireFox we can easily find out what bugs have been discovered, we don't know how many flaws still exist in Microsoft Internet Explorer, Netscape Communicator, Safari or even Opera for that matter.



The why doesn't someone like yourself or any other decent coder get off their fat arse and fix the bloody bugs then?

I would, but I'm a complete C newb.
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i would but i know an entire line of c

include

lol, all i gotta do is learn more then 1 line :scared:

PERL WAS HARD ENOUGH TO PARTLY LEARN FFS :nothappy:

muzzy:

--- Quote from: solemnwarning ---i would but i know an entire line of c

include
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Sorry to tell you, that's not C, so you don't know a single line of C :)

After you add # to the beginning, you could say it's "C" because syntactically it'd be correct C, however semantically it's still not C. That's because C doesn't have "iostream" library, C++ has.

So, the correct line would be C++, and it'd look like this:
#include


--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---The why doesn't someone like yourself or any other decent coder get off their fat arse and fix the bloody bugs then?
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Fixing bugs isn't always simple, and "fixes" might have unintended consequences if they're written by people who don't know what they're doing. And in this case, you'd have to understand more than just the lowlevel code involved. There aren't that many people who could just go ahead and fix it, and be confident that the fix is good.

Also, from a non-programmer point of view a lot of people might seem "decent coders" even when they're not qualified for the task. Programming is tough, and it takes years to learn the basics and then years more to learn practical stuff and few more years to become "decent". Yea, you could learn some basics in few days or weeks, but that doesn't count in a real world case.

Oh, and the opensource/closedsource crap and "we know about most of the bugs in FireFox and not in Opera", this just isn't true. You likely define bug as "known bug". So, yea, we know about the known bugs, since the bug tracking database is open. However, regarding code quality and unfound bugs (which still are bugs), nobody knows and you can't make any wild claims based on open/closedsource. Bugs are typically not found by reading source either, they're found because of unexpected and wrong behaviour.

Jenda:

--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---No piece of software is perfect, at least with FireFox we can easily find out what bugs have been discovered, we don't know how many flaws still exist in Microsoft Internet Explorer, Netscape Communicator, Safari or even Opera for that matter.

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I think there's only one big bug in IE, and we all know where it lies.

Aloone_Jonez:

--- Quote ---So, yea, we know about the known bugs, since the bug tracking database is open.
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The bug tracking database for closed sourced programs is closed, this is my exact point. Because the bug tracking system for Opera is secret we don't know how may flaws have already been discovered in Opera.

Notice the word discovered in my first reply muzzy?

--- Quote ---No piece of software is perfect, at least with FireFox we can easily find out what bugs have been discovered, we don't know how many flaws still exist in Microsoft Internet Explorer, Netscape Communicator, Safari or even Opera for that matter.
discovered.
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muzzy:
oops. no, i didn't notice it :D

sorry :)

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