Win-d'ohs Strikes Again!

[jtpenrod]

For all of those (and you know who you are    ) who have been crowing on these boards, about how wnoderful Win-Doesn't is, take a good look at This Thread.

How about that?  :p

Windows 2K to Furtopia:  :fu:

 

[Aloone_Jonez]

Do you use ebay?

Because it runs on Windows too.

Why don't you ask them to upgrade to FreeBSD?

[jtpenrod]

Do you use ebay?
No.  :p
Because it runs on Windows too.
So?
Why don't you ask them to upgrade to FreeBSD?
Because I don't care. :p

Give them enough time, the E-Bay folks'll figure it out for themselves. Or they won't. These folks aren't really IT guys. This is part and parcel of the "Bill Gates" of goods that they were sold some five years ago: Win 2K is quite easy to run, and requires no special expertise. Fair enough, but the price that you pay is an unreliable system.  After all, this is when we saw the really big outbreak of Internet worms. Not so easy to secure, to maintain, or to keep running. There is another forum I also visit quite often, and they, too, run Win 2K as their server. Every single night, at 4:00AM local time, the site goes off-line for an hour for maintainence. This is pretty much what you have to do to keep it running. Such a PITA.

No one except for the most fanatical, die-hard, true believer will make the claim that Win-whatever makes a good, mission-critical server. You can claim that it's a better desktop system and have a point. However, when it comes to reliability and uptime, any *NIX beats any Win *. If it were up to me, I'd put them on OpenBSD. After all, why do you think that Microsoft's own services, such as Hotmail, and even an anti-*NIX propaganda web site (http://www.wehavethewayout.com) ran FreeBSD until this fact became embarrassingly too well-known?

[WMD]

"We Have the Way Out" doesn't exist anymore.

http://web.archive.org/web/20040815070955/www.wehavethewayout.com/us/index.asp

[jtpenrod]

"We Have the Way Out" doesn't exist anymore.

I'm quite well aware of that fact. Unforch, the forum soft insists on making hyperlinks whether or not you want them. Be that as it may, the whole "We Have the Way Out saga was quite hilarious in all its aspects: getting caught running FreeBSD, then having the entire site crash and burn for two weeks when they put it on Win-d'ohs, to the outrageous FUD the site propagated, that inspired only gales of laughter instead of migration from *NIX, to all the even funnier parody sites.

Too bad it went away, actually.

[muzzy]

Looks like Windows had nothing to do with the problem here. What's up with your FUD?

[jtpenrod]

Muzzy, you don't know the whole story, and I'd rather not discuss it on an open forum.

[Jenda]

Come on, share with the unenlightened! What is the whole story?

BTW, I had a good snigger there. Didn't know MS had an anti-Unix propaganda site. Reminds me of Soviet Communism... you can just laugh away at the stuff they've been telling us.

[toadlife]

There is another forum I also visit quite often, and they, too, run Win 2K as their server. Every single night, at 4:00AM local time, the site goes off-line for an hour for maintainence. This is pretty much what you have to do to keep it running. Such a PITA.

That's is pretty pathetic. I run two IIS servers at work. One is IIS5 has has around 2000 concurrent users hitting it's databse at any one time. It's an online course server, and it's average time between reboots is 60 days. It only needs to be rebooted for patches, and a couple of times, it's been 120 days between needed patches - which translated in 120 days without a reboot.

The other is an IIS6 box which houses our main website, our internal helpdesk website, and our class registration website. Again, this box get plenty on traffic. This box has longer average uptimes than the IIS5 box, due to Win2k3/IIS6 having fewer vulnerabilities (and therefore fewer patches) than win2k/IIS5.

Neither of the IIS boxes I run have ever needed reboots due to system instability. Needing daily reboots for maintenance is silly. What kind of 'maintenance' are these clowns doing?

No one except for the most fanatical, die-hard, true believer will make the claim that Win-whatever makes a good, mission-critical server.

It's worked just fine for us. If someone doesn't have the knowledge to support Windows in a server enviroment then that's their problem. It obvious the that people that run the site you mentioned (that reboots every night) have some serious issue with their setup. I don't dispute that unix can be a great platform for hosting web servers and other critical services, but your blanket statement claming Windows servers are impossible to keep up is a sure sign of zealotry.

[WMD]

I don't know about web serving on Windows (that seems to work ok for me with Apache 2), but there's a DHCP/gateway/AD server in my computer classroom.  Typically, about 1-2 times a week, the internet will suddenly go down.  I can ping, but the proxy isn't found.  I think AD logins fail too, but we don't use them much so I don't remember.  I don't know the password to the box, but a hard reboot via the power button always seems to fix it entirely.  Highly annoying, and no less mysterious.

[toadlife]

Though it has that ability, I would never ever Windows as a router/gateway. The fact that the machine acts as a gateway might be the problem. From what I've read, Windows' TCP stack is not the best at routing.

We do have DHCP and AD running on our MS servers, and those functions are very reliable.

[solemnwarning]

Yeah, for a router setup debian or redhat like i have

i used to have a win2k3 gateway before i switched to linux, it went down and the way to get back online was to reboot.

Windows routers :fu:

[FIREFOX4ME]

I don't like windows, and I don't think that anybody else in the universe is allowed to like it.

[Simon]

Alright, with the exception of Muzzy, we all now Winduhs Sucks,okay? Also, they're no need to make up new words for Newb, as they all describe you.I suggest not moronically bashing people who are most likely more knowledgable on the subject. We all know Win sucks, but another part is knowing WHY.

[Aloone_Jonez]

Muzzy, you don't know the whole story, and I'd rather not discuss it on an open forum.

Come on jtpenrod, why did you start this thread in the first place if you don't want to discuss it?