I'm a new member damnit

[BobTheHob]

Hey everyone, I just wanted to introduce myself. Although I am new to this board, I have been using UNIX for many years, I wish I would have found this board sooner. I'm in the IT field and I recently decided that although it would lessen my chances for getting a job, that I would never use a microsoft product again for the rest of my life.

I have refused to use windows for a couple of months now, i have even refused service to many offering money to fix their windoze boxes. I'm now back to UNIX permanantly now and I have to say, I'm pretty damn fucking happy and alot less depressed with not having to mess with the crap ass windoze. Theres such a feeling of uber pure happiness when everything works like you want it to the first time off.

Well, thats about all I have to say. I really love this site and these forums, and I plan to become a regular.

ps. fuck bill gates, and his little dog too, muwhahahaha

[Laukev7]

Welcome to the boards, RobTheHob.

I'm more of a fan of OS X, but I do like BSD somewhat.

[Lord C]

Welcome

May I ask what your job is?

[BobTheHob]

Welcome

May I ask what your job is?

I'm in Computer Networking , I don't have a job atm as I'm waiting to graduate college, I graduate in about 14 weeks, so i figure i might as well wait. I'm actually thinking about moving to a larger city and starting a UNIX network consulting firm. Thanks for asking

[muzzy]

Theres such a feeling of uber pure happiness when everything works like you want it to the first time off.

You know, that sounds like Windows. In *nix platforms, you typically have to configure things to excess to get them to work like you want to. In windows, everything just works

[TheQuirk]

Indeed, it just works.

[WMD]

In *nix platforms, you typically have to configure things to excess to get them to work like you want to.

Not even my Slackware install made me do that very much...

[Aloone_Jonez]

You can't say UNIX in general is hard to install just one particular UNIX based operating system was hard to configure. I've tried Redhat Linux and although it sucked it was very easy to install, and I could say the same for vector Linux. Mac OS X is UNIX based and from what I've gathered it's no harder to set-up than Windows if not even easier.

[BobTheHob]

You know, that sounds like Windows. In *nix platforms, you typically have to configure things to excess to get them to work like you want to. In windows, everything just works

note: muzzy, this is a rather long post, and before you read it know that I am not bitching at you, just stating my opinion;)

Ah, quite the contrary you see, it may work on windows, but never in the way i want it to. One of the reasons things always work my way on UNIX is because UNIX isnt user-friendly, I consider "user-friendly" softwares total and complete bullshit. You see, I translate the "user" in "user-friendly" to mean a total nooblet. About 99.9999999999% of the time, the method used to create "user-friendly" software is to take out all configuration options which functions arent immediatlly apparent to a drunk, mentally-disabled squirrel. Software created in this fashion ends up having no user-configurable options. I actually take great joy in configuring programs with .conf files, because I know that all possible configuration options are completely accessible to me.

Now, the main reason that it works my way the first time (which actually goes along with the first reason), is that, I always read the documentation that comes with any software I am to install. There is a very important reason for doing this (which should be immediatly apparent to any programmer), and that reason is, programmers all think differently, any non-simple program will never be created the same way by any two programmers. This creates inconsistancies, which lead to special install requirements, instructions, etc. I also never go into installing a program thinking it won't be an involved task, I never even try to run an app for the first time after the install without scouring the conf files and cfg apps setting all required options first (I usually set the optional ones that i want as well at this time). Heed this advice, and you should never have any problems with software installs (Well it always helps to know what your doing as well, lol).

Does anyone else think this way?

ps, sorry if i rambled on and on, but those things have just always peeved me.

[Lord C]

You know, that sounds like Windows. In *nix platforms, you typically have to configure things to excess to get them to work like you want to. In windows, everything just works

*sigh*

You yourself have admitted that to get anything working good in Windows you have to configure Windows to the max.

In a fresh Ubuntu Linux install, the only thing I have to do is install Java - which doesn't come pre-installed with Windows either

[muzzy]

LordC, ouch. You caught me ... well, in W2k3, you don't need to configure everything. Stuff works pretty fine as-is.

BobTheHob, most users aren't programmers, unfortunately. IMO kids should be taught programming in schools like they're taught arithmetics now. Once the users understand what they're doing, they can be given the power to do things.

Anyway, even in *nix a lot of people prefer using some automation tools to do the configuration tasks. It just sucks to edit everything with a plain text editor, especially if you're administrating multiple systems that just need to work. In windows, there's a standard management console (MMC) to perform a lot of the tasks that either need separate standalone tools on *nix or config file editing. Perhaps a generic configuration editor is needed, too, to unify the whole process of setting options in different applications. Third party software rarely implements MMC snap-ins :\

[Lord C]

I agree on the schooling issue.

But not only do children need to be tought Programming, they also need to be tought IT Skills.
I don't mean the rubbish IT classes they have right now "This is how we make a spreadsheet in Microsoft Excel" - the kid only knows how to use Excel now.
What we need is to teach them how to effectively use a PC, and about Online Safety.
Safety wise, I don't mean "Chatrooms are bad!" as they tried in the late 90's, I mean teach them about Viruses, Firewalls, Spyware etc - then also teach them about Open Source Software, and possibly even Linux.

Fact is, most schools run MS software, and converting them is another issue.
I'm so tired of getting IMs like "shit! I have a virus, porn is popping up all over, what shall I do?"
To which you would like to answer "Get a fucking clue!", but of course, I'm usually a bit more diplomatic than that - pointing them to OSS anti-virus and anti-spyware etc.

[solemnwarning]

I agree on the schooling issue.

But not only do children need to be tought Programming, they also need to be tought IT Skills.
I don't mean the rubbish IT classes they have right now "This is how we make a spreadsheet in Microsoft Excel" - the kid only knows how to use Excel now.
What we need is to teach them how to effectively use a PC, and about Online Safety.
Safety wise, I don't mean "Chatrooms are bad!" as they tried in the late 90's, I mean teach them about Viruses, Firewalls, Spyware etc - then also teach them about Open Source Software, and possibly even Linux.

Fact is, most schools run MS software, and converting them is another issue.
I'm so tired of getting IMs like "shit! I have a virus, porn is popping up all over, what shall I do?"
To which you would like to answer "Get a fucking clue!", but of course, I'm usually a bit more diplomatic than that - pointing them to OSS anti-virus and anti-spyware etc.

im 13, in year 8 of high school, the it lessons are crap (you are taught to use windows xp using rm domain software (make winshit even worse (if thats possible)) and ms office, thier 10 domain controllers run xp pro (no wonder the net is down so much <_<) so i just skive it classes, ffs i learn more out of one of my perl books in 10mins then i do in an hour  of schools it, the netadmin wants to setup linux and oss on the network but the fucking goverment limit what we are allowed on school machines:

M$ Windows
M$ Office
Nortan Antivirus
Internet Explorer
Nortan Internet security
RM Domain controller

ffs are they trying to eradicate oss in the uk??????

btw thier internet router is a win2k box

and about chatrooms, the school puts posters up everywhere sating they are bad and if you use them you are doomed ect... <_<

the schools definatly need to:

use a decent os (or at least get off ie)
use openoffice or some other oss alternative
teach 1 damm language (year 11 are allowed to learn basics of vb, but who wants vb?? school is meant to be there so u dont need to tech urself everything u use :mad: )

[Aloone_Jonez]

solemnwarning,
I remember back in 1995 when I was your age, the good old days of computing. Microsoft had yet to become a monopoly we used Acorns at school, Atari was great and Macs were in fashion too. I used to enjoy IT lessons we used to write programs in BBC BASIC and draw pretty shapes in Logo, we use pendown for word processing a great program. Then when I went from middle to upper school where MS had taken over so we used Windows 3.1 and Windows 95 on the newer machines they were always going wrong and I kept loosing work because a BSOD appeard every hour or so.

[Refalm]

thier 10 domain controllers run xp pro

Aargh!! At least use something less bloated are more stable like Windows 2000 or Windows 2003 (not as stable as Linux and UNIX though).
I had to learn Active Directory once. It gave me headaches. It's basically the work of a psychopath nerd with his own logic and structure.

Novell NetWare is far more superior, non-bloated, clear and stable. I'd use it instead of Active Directory anytime.