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Internet Explorer is NOT a webbrowser

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muzzy:
Heh, about that IE thing above. There's a reason I have even my local zone in IE configured to be extremely restrictive, and all active scripting and activex turned off. That's simply because there's always vulnerabilities found there, and I don't need those features. I wish more people did the same, so webdesigners would damn fix their sites to work without javascript.

I'm quite aware of security issues with current version of IE. As orethrius said, img tags were a bad idea. Since then, HTML and web browsers have only been going downhill. Unfortunately, they're still damn practical. The situation could be fixed if W3 got their act together and worked with vendors to write clear specifications for the core technologies involved. Microsoft has publicly declared they won't support CSS because it's not defined well enough, and I just have to agree. There's no way you could tell from the specifications how some of the more complex layouts should work.

MrX:
all i was aking was for somebody smart to give a list of reasons why IE is not a webbrowser. sheesh. now all the 'haters' have turned this into a flame war.

Mr X

Calum:
you'll get no reasons from anybody who has posted so far for why IE is not a web browser. if you took the time to read the replies, you would see that nobody in this thread except you (possibly) believes this to be the case!

Aloone_Jonez:

--- Quote from: muzzy ---Heh, about that IE thing above. There's a reason I have even my local zone in IE configured to be extremely restrictive, and all active scripting and activex turned off. That's simply because there's always vulnerabilities found there,
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Yes almost any browser will magically become secure when you disable scripting even Internet Explorer! That's why you don't need anti-virus software and most people do. I would rather get the most out of the web by using a more secure browser like the US-CERT suggested.


--- Quote from: muzzy --- and I don't need those features. I wish more people did the same, so webdesigners would damn fix their sites to work without javascript.
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You're in the minority, now I hope you can understand how annoying it is trying to veiw some IE only websites on a decent browser, ie. not IE. Javascript is very cool and is very secure compared to ActiveX controls as it runs in  a vierual machine. I hope ActiveX controls are disappearing from the web fast, I haven't encountered them recently.


--- Quote from: muzzy ---I'm quite aware of security issues with current version of IE.
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Yes so am, I that's why I use FireFox.


--- Quote from: muzzy ---As orethrius said, img tags were a bad idea. Since then, HTML and web browsers have only been going downhill. Unfortunately, they're still damn practical. The situation could be fixed if W3 got their act together and worked with vendors to write clear specifications for the core technologies involved. Microsoft has publicly declared they won't support CSS because it's not defined well enough, and I just have to agree. There's no way you could tell from the specifications how some of the more complex layouts should work.
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I find it just as sad how some standards haven't taken off like compressed html and svgs for example. The web would be faster and look a lot nicer too if they had.


--- Quote from: MrX ---all i was aking was for somebody smart to give a list of reasons why IE is not a webbrowser.
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That's because IE is a web browser.


--- Quote from: MrX --- sheesh. now all the 'haters' have turned this into a flame war.
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I haven't seen any flaming in this thread so far!

Why?

Since you've mentioned flaming do you want me to start?

Ok then:
Anyone who thinks Microsoft Internet Explorer is not a web browser is fucking retarded - just like this stupid thread.

muzzy:
Firefox isn't any more secure than IE, you'll learn it soon enough now that it's becoming popular and more worthwhile to attack. It's equally vulnerable, just less profitable target. The latter is changing, the former is staying.

SVG support in IE would be really nice, though. I'd love that.

Oh, and activeX could in theory be secure, too, but that's only theory. Wanna bet microsoft will reimplement the whole activex deal with .NET, and it'll actually be secure this time?

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