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muzzy:
That KKK gallery shows lots of lovely pictures. As long as they don't deny anyone else the pride to be what they are, I don't see anything wrong with KKK. Obviously, most of the things I've heard about KKK are exactly the wrongdoings, so it makes me wonder what has really happened in the past. I'm sure there are a lot of KKK members that are fine and good people, but obviously nobody pays attention to them. All you see are the cases of violence.

Annorax:

--- Quote from: muzzy ---That KKK gallery shows lots of lovely pictures. As long as they don't deny anyone else the pride to be what they are, I don't see anything wrong with KKK. Obviously, most of the things I've heard about KKK are exactly the wrongdoings, so it makes me wonder what has really happened in the past. I'm sure there are a lot of KKK members that are fine and good people, but obviously nobody pays attention to them. All you see are the cases of violence.
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How the hell can a racist be "fine and good people?" Last I knew, racists were by definition "bad people".

bedouin:

--- Quote from: muzzy ---Why is it ok to be proud of being redhead, but not ok to be proud of being white?
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It's not.  It's equally stupid.  No one yells, "redhead power," "redheads are the superior people," or "we must preserve the redhead traditions," because it's an idiotic concept.  So is the idea of preserving some mythical construct of White, Black, or, Asiatic culture; they're socially created constructs that have historically been used for nothing but discrimination and perpetration of stereotypes.  Additionally, the whole idea itself is so arbitrary, because everyone has a different definition of what "White," "Black," or "Asian" is depending on their political agenda.  For example, if you're asked to provide your race on a form in the US, if you're from the Middle East or North Africa you're expected to put "white," even if your skin tone is obviously darker.  On the other hand, if you're Hispanic you've somehow classified as a non-white, or depending on the form you can specific whether you are "white or non-white" Hispanic.  Race is nothing more than a political categorization, and in many cultures the idea doesn't even exist, at least not in this form.

There is no white culture, no more than there is a black one; no more than there is a brown-eyed, green-eyed, or readhead 'culture.'  There are, however, social and political conditions that in some regions of the world have forced individuals to identify with their skin color, because all other forms of identity have been stripped away from them (i.e. through slavery, colonization, and diaspora); the last time I checked this didn't happen (collectively) to so-called white people in the United States, so it makes the idea of a white supremacy movement even more idiotic.  


--- Quote ---As long as they don't deny anyone else the pride to be what they are, I don't see anything wrong with KKK.
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Right, because the KKK would never do that.

muzzy:
Annorax, so, what exactly makes these guys bad people? You can straw-man them all you like, but in the process you end up not looking them as human beings.

So, these people are bad because they don't like some other group of people? How about you, then? Are you a good person or a bad person by this same definition? You classify people just the same, to good people and bad people, by a single determining factor. I thought that was the definition of racism.

You've been taught to hate KKK, and I can understand it. I hate acts of violence and such too, but that doesn't mean I'd hate people that commit them, or people who are somehow similar to those that commit them. People are still people. Unfortunately I don't know any KKK members myself so I don't have any personal opinions about them, but I'm not eating the anti-KKK propaganda.

I understand the need to have prejudices, and I have them towards many groups of people as well. However, prejudices shouldn't affect how you view individuals. I'm sure most people are good and fine by nature, there's always a reason why bad things happen and saying it's because of "bad people" is greatly naive.

muzzy:
bedouin, as I said, "As long as they don't deny anyone else...". Yeah, I know people do bad things, but somehow classifying the whole group as evil and bad because of things that have happened in past, and acts committed by different people, that's wrong.

Also, my point about redheads was that nobody will feel hate towards a bunch of people who take pride in being redheads. Yet, people will hate those who take pride in being white. As you said, race is a political classification, but there are many other genetic classifications that can have practical uses. What comes to supremacy and preservation, that stinks attention seeking. Yet, what right does anyone have to prevent people from doing what they want to, as long as they don't violate the rights of others? What right does anyone have to deny others their pride in themselves and what they are?

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