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Virtual PC
« on: 1 June 2005, 22:51 »
Hello Mac users :)

My brother is thinking of getting an Apple Powerbook soon. He *needs* (his words) to be able to run Autodesk 3ds max and Autodesk Autocad. I *think* Autodesk have a Mac OS X version of Autocad (so I was told). I don't think they have a Mac OS X version of 3ds Max. Would he be able to run such a hungry app in MS Virtual PC (hey, it's that or Windows XP on a PC)?
(Of course, he's not going to pay for MS Virtual PC either way ... I hope)
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Re: Virtual PC
« Reply #1 on: 1 June 2005, 23:02 »
Does MS Virtual PC run on a Mac?

I thought it was Windows only, as far as I'm aware Virtual PC is a program that allows you to run a guest x86 operating system on your x86 PC.
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Re: Virtual PC
« Reply #2 on: 1 June 2005, 23:29 »
Quote from: Aloone_Jonez
Does MS Virtual PC run on a Mac?

I thought it was Windows only, as far as I'm aware Virtual PC is a program that allows you to run a guest x86 operating system on your x86 PC.
You can get it for Mac OS X too.
http://www.microsoft.com/mac/products/virtualpc/virtualpc.aspx
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Re: Virtual PC
« Reply #3 on: 2 June 2005, 04:06 »
Can't VMware handle this, given the Darwin-based nature of OS X?
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Re: Virtual PC
« Reply #4 on: 2 June 2005, 04:37 »
VMWare is only for x86.
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Re: Virtual PC
« Reply #5 on: 2 June 2005, 07:44 »
Oh that sucks, I thought it was open-architecture.  :(
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Re: Virtual PC
« Reply #6 on: 3 June 2005, 08:00 »
Since no one has answered your question yet...


Yes, Virtual PC will allow _ANY_ windows program (or x86 linux/ x86-unix program) to run underneath Mac OS X.

If the program is a demanding one, do not expect the best performance, as VirtualPC has to virtualize x86 hardware. I would suggest running win2k under it instead of winxp, as you will get superior performace (XP is a resource hog; bad enough on normal PC's, pushing it on virtual ones).

Today marks 1 week since I've had my Powerbook. I approve.

That being said, I wouldn't want you to try to run a MS product on a Mac... there are open source versions, although the names do not come to mind (boch?? i dunno)

Edit: Yes, 'Bochs'. i'm compiling version 2.2 on Tiger as i type this. version 2.1 has a binary version
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Re: Virtual PC
« Reply #7 on: 3 June 2005, 15:07 »
In my experience the best guest operating system for Virtual PC is NT 4.   NT 4 can still run most current software, and it flies in emulation; it almost feels native.
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Re: Virtual PC
« Reply #8 on: 3 June 2005, 20:04 »
Does it work well in Bochs for classic?
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Re: Virtual PC
« Reply #9 on: 3 June 2005, 20:13 »
thanks all :)
I'll try Bochs on my (other) brothers powerbook and see if it'll run those apps (under nt4 and win2000).
If that doesn't work, I'll look at VirtualPC (*WONT* pay for it).
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Re: Virtual PC
« Reply #10 on: 3 June 2005, 20:19 »
There's also QEMU, which is much easier than Bochs.  However, last I checked they had issues running Win2k under it (98 works fine).
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Re: Virtual PC
« Reply #11 on: 3 June 2005, 21:00 »
Another one I found: http://www.iemulator.com/
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Re: Virtual PC
« Reply #12 on: 3 June 2005, 21:13 »
Ok, so there's alot of choices.
Anyone had much success with any of these?
I'm on my (other) brothers powerbook, downloading the bochs source code (no mac os x binaries on the site) (9mins left) and I've noticed that there's no gcc :|
...This should be fun


EDIT: I think I found gcc and friends.. in a cool 20.1mb package :/
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Re: Virtual PC
« Reply #13 on: 3 June 2005, 22:04 »
GCC comes with developer tools.  As far as performance is concerned, Virtual PC is probably the best bet.
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Re: Virtual PC
« Reply #14 on: 4 June 2005, 18:26 »
Can anyone who has used Bochs or QEMU tell me what kind of performance they get doing common and "high-end" tasks? I might be interested in trying one or both of them out sometime.
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