ranting

[v2os]

First, I would think firefox would be mentioned on the main page, and there needs to be more activity on the main page.

No one try to push linux on me, i don't have a problem with linux, i have a problem with the people telling me how good it is, and that i should use it when problems like drivers for winmodems and support for aol haven't been added. the only double click install is an rpm file, which needs to be universal across all linux distros, and a more reactive gui, takes 5 min. before my usb key shows up on the gui.

the one real problem that i can't get over is that i can't get internet (it looks like aol sued the makers of that connectivity software out of business)

When linux failed me i looked around freeos.com for other operating systems. many of them weren't even in beta, or real time operating systems not suitable use as a desktop. Eventually i found reactos, which had advanced a lot since the last time i looked at it. (reactos's goal is to be compatable with windows programs and drivers, it is supposed to be a clone windows nt 4, and before you comment on the old age of that windows xp is actually NT 5.1, server is NT 5.2)

Its not ready for the general public yet, the next release 0.3 will have networking. This operating system has a much better chance than linux of taking away sales of windows because it wont take time for people to learn it, or limit their software or hardware selections

Sorry to the linux people who hate me for this, but you did let me down and aren't doing anything to help.

[KernelPanic]

You rant because stuff isn't working, but havn't asked us to help you with any issues.

Yawn.

[Siplus]

First, I would think firefox would be mentioned on the main page, and there needs to be more activity on the main page.

No one try to push linux on me, i don't have a problem with linux, i have a problem with the people telling me how good it is, and that i should use it when problems like drivers for winmodems and support for aol haven't been added. the only double click install is an rpm file, which needs to be universal across all linux distros, and a more reactive gui, takes 5 min. before my usb key shows up on the gui.

the one real problem that i can't get over is that i can't get internet (it looks like aol sued the makers of that connectivity software out of business)

When linux failed me i looked around freeos.com for other operating systems. many of them weren't even in beta, or real time operating systems not suitable use as a desktop. Eventually i found reactos, which had advanced a lot since the last time i looked at it. (reactos's goal is to be compatable with windows programs and drivers, it is supposed to be a clone windows nt 4, and before you comment on the old age of that windows xp is actually NT 5.1, server is NT 5.2)

Its not ready for the general public yet, the next release 0.3 will have networking. This operating system has a much better chance than linux of taking away sales of windows because it wont take time for people to learn it, or limit their software or hardware selections

Sorry to the linux people who hate me for this, but you did let me down and aren't doing anything to help.

I'm sorry you had a bad experience. If i may ask, which distro did you use, or did you try several? The best part about linux is the amazing choices you have, which can also be bane for people new to the system.

Would you like us to try to address some of the problems you are having (sorry if you did post in the Linux section, but I haven't been too active here recently), or do you no longer wish to consider linux as a primary operating system?

The reason many people preach about the superiority of linux is because it _IS_ such a great system. The problem is that there are ALWAYS exceptions to everything. We are humans, and the programmers of linux are also human. The problems compound when you consider every driver has to be reverse engineered.

No matter how great linux will become, someone will find something that is not up-to-par. Similarly, no matter how poor windows is, there will always be someone evangalizing it as the perfect system.

Also, I agree; the front page NEEDS updated

[BobTheHob]

Cmon, you use aol, nuff said. Aol is not welcome on *nix. People who use *nix are generally smart enough not to use aol.

[Aloone_Jonez]

You rant because stuff isn't working, but havn't asked us to help you with any issues.

Yawn.

From what I've read from the post, he's already recieved help from the Linux community and he still hasn't had any sucess.

v2os,
Your best bet is to stick with Windows for now and use alternatives for MS software eg. OpenOffice, keep checking out Linux and you never know one day it might fulfill all your needs.

I agree Firefox should have more coverage on the main page of this website, but what's the point of sugesting anything because the retarded admin here never change anything anyway. :rolleyes:

[Siplus]

The webmaster has not been around for quite some time, but he appointed Ralfam to be the Admin. I'm not sure if Ralfam is the admin for just the boards, or the entire site, so I'm unsure if he is able to change the front page

[WMD]

Refalm *used* to be able to edit the front page, but he can't now, since we switched hosts.

As for the webmaster, he's got an article by bedouin that he's gonna put up "when he gets to it."

[v2os]

My belief: If software is nothing but an ordered series of electrical  impulses why pay for it?

All anti microsoft sites seemed to have stopped being updated, i think an anti microsoft wiki site would solve the inactivity problem.

I'm not the one paying for the isp, can't really help that it's aol

tried suse 8.2 and redhat enterprise workstation

I think this is probably impossible but if there were somthing like WINE for windows drivers it would be a leap forward for linux. (it's hard to look up the drivers for hardware and take the time to download them through a phone line on a different computer...)

thanks for the offer to help, but i've decided on reactos since so much of the software i use is getting close to working.(that might be stretching the truth, i go by how long it takes before the system crashes due to some unsupported function)

I agree linux is good, but all the stuff that makes a distro is just "to little to late" whenever you're using it it just makes you feel that this was meant for servers and businesses. A main problem is that you actually need someone who knows linux to teach you how to use it since theres no easy to find guide for home users on the web on how to do things like update the kernel, guide to installing programs (i had to go search for the directory to install programs into) etc... i don't want to take the time to compile the complete list of things that made me leave linux.

[Jenda]

Depends on the distro. For Ubuntu, there is the marvelous Ubuntu Guide.

[Aloone_Jonez]

Yes I agree Jenda, Linux varies a lot from distro to distro - something a lot of people forget, after all Linux is just the kernel.

[Calum]

You rant because stuff isn't working, but havn't asked us to help you with any issues.

Yawn.

in fact he *instructs* (not asks) the reader *not* to suggest solutions (specifically linux)

you guys are wasting your time talking about linux to this windoid, he's too far gone. he belongs on one of those smartass windows loser boards moaning about this or that dll file changing from version 3657 to 3658 or some crap.

also, by suggesting linux to a windows user, you're breaking the new forum rules (or so i heard), you wouldn't want those moderators to get mad at you now! (trust me i know, and i have the memories of mild childish chastisement forever with me to prove it).

[bedouin]

I first installed Linux in 1998 or 99, and used it off and on as my primary OS alongside BeOS and Windows.  In 2002 I got sick of it and just bought a PowerMac.

The same idiotic Linux issues I had over 5 or 6 years ago are still happening today.  Keep in mind I'm writing this message in Konqeuror on a machine with a fresh install of Debian, so it's not that I hate Linux, but there's a number of things still irritating me.  Here are a list of issues I encountered while installing Debian a couple days ago.

• No video after the install completed, requiring a number of XF86COnfig tweaks.  After video was working it was still not accelerated, and getting acceleration to work requires more trouble than I'm willing to deal with right now.
• The screensaver would freeze; display would fail to go to sleep.  In another scenario, the display would go to sleep, but then wake itself back up for no reason.  This has been resolved (I hope).
• The volume control in the KDE task bar doesn't do anything.  To lower or raise my machine's sound I have to open the KDE mixer and adjust the PC speaker setting from there.
• Sounds did not work initially in GAIM, no matter which soundsystem I told it to use.  I eventually told it to use a command with artsplay.
• While writing this message, Konqueror is intermittently locking up, probably because of the animated GIFs in vBulletin's advanced editing page; Safari would do this occasionally as well, though that's stopped after 2.0 (probably a KHTML issue).
• Sound in Rhythmbox did not initially work.

The other issues I had are really not worth mentioning.  The state of GUIs in Linux apps are still horrific.  Things are not located in logical places, or are overly cluttered.

Notice most of my complaints are all desktop related.  For server tasks Linux acts exactly as you'd expect (and better).  My main point is that after 6 or 7 years Linux should be beyond these stupid issues.  

As for the original poster's complaint that Linux needs a point and click installer, I think apt-get is even better than point in click, since I don't need to even find an installer file.  When it comes to 'best desktop experience' OS X still wins over Linux and Windows.  I still have no interest in using OS X as a server though, which is why I installed Debian on this machine.

[WMD]

bedouin...isn't that Ubuntu on an iMac G3 you installed?  Or is this a different computer?  If it's the iMac then the video/sound and sleep problems aren't surprising, given the lack of attention given to Linux PPC.  As for Debian on a PC, heh, that was never easy.

[Aloone_Jonez]

in fact he *instructs* (not asks) the reader *not* to suggest solutions (specifically linux)

you guys are wasting your time talking about linux to this windoid, he's too far gone. he belongs on one of those smartass windows loser boards moaning about this or that dll file changing from version 3657 to 3658 or some crap.

also, by suggesting linux to a windows user, you're breaking the new forum rules (or so i heard), you wouldn't want those moderators to get mad at you now! (trust me i know, and i have the memories of mild childish chastisement forever with me to prove it).

Yes because you're so objective and good at looking at things from other people's perspective, you can obviously accept that people have different needs to your own and can see Linux isn't the god sent magic miracle cure for all of our computing problems.

I suppose Windows isn't the only operating system responsible for brainwashing people. :rolleyes:

[bedouin]

I went with Ubuntu initially then decided for Debian instead.  Same machine though.  The Ubuntu live CD worked fine; the installer crashed for some reason (perhaps a bad burn or corrupted download; maybe it just hated that machine).  I swayed from Ubuntu by then anyway, since it just seemed to be a simplified version of Debian, and I already had prior experience with Debian on x86.

Besides, in some respects Linux PPC is better supported than x86 Linux, since it's primarily run on Macs with very specific configurations.