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Aloone_Jonez:
If you're talking about disc thrashing and a very slow or unresponsive system it normally happens when you run out of memory so the system resorts to using swap. This can happen with any operating system when the physical memory is too small to support the programs runnning.
I've experianced this at work with Windows 2000 and at home with Redhat Linux and at college with Knoppix.
When I was using OpenOffice (yes I admit I shouldn't have but I needed to open files created on one of our UNIX machines), the machine I was using only had 128MB of RAM and I had sereral large pictures open as well. I switched from one application to another and nothing happend so I just left the computer for 5 miniutes to calm down then I clicked the start menu and it appeared in a few miniutes then clicked shut down and it very slowly closed all the programs asking me to save each file, interestingly OpenOffice was the only program that crashed.
When I started with Linux I used Redhat 9.0 I have 256MB of RAM and this sort of thing used to happen quite often when I opened very large picture files.
At college I booted up Knoppix including KDE on an old machine with only 64MB of RAM, it was too bad at running small programs like Xpaint but OpenOffice would slow it to a crawl.
I conclude that this is a memory problem more than and OS problem (well often accuse Windows of poor memory management) but my PC has 256MB of RAM - 32MB for the on board graphics and it runs quite well and the performance is acceptable even with a fer programs running. How ever when I boot up with Vector Linux it's very fast but that's only using Xfce so it's not fair to compare.
piratePenguin:
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---If you're talking about disc thrashing and a very slow or unresponsive system it normally happens when you run out of memory so the system resorts to using swap. This can happen with any operating system when the physical memory is too small to support the programs runnning.
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I use an Athlon XP 2400+ with 256mb ram. Maybe you're right, maybe that isn't enough RAM for Windows. Well it is for even MANDRAKE and SuSE, and of course Slackware. Running KDE, KDE, and GNOME respectivly.
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---I've experianced this at work with Windows 2000 and at home with Redhat Linux and at college with Knoppix.
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You're using the wroooooooooooong distro ;)
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---yes I admit I shouldn't have but I needed to open files created on one of our UNIX machines
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Why shouldn't you have been using OpenOffice?
I run the beta on this computer, in GNOME, in Slackware, with XMMS and usually Mozilla open at the same time, and it runs like a dream.
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---the machine I was using only had 128MB of RAM
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Shouldn't be a problem... Oh wait, this is in Windows ;)
OK so it could've happened on Fedora too. Or SuSE, or Mandriva. But it WOULDN'T have happened on Slackware with XFCE.
Choice is... Glorious.
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---and I had sereral large pictures open as well. I switched from one application to another and nothing happend so I just left the computer for 5 miniutes to calm down then I clicked the start menu and it appeared in a few miniutes then clicked shut down and it very slowly closed all the programs asking me to save each file
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I've never had such an experience on any GNU/Linux distro, including Mandrake and SuSE. I've had plenty on Windows XP however, and a few on Windows 2000.
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---interestingly OpenOffice was the only program that crashed.
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Wouldn't that have probably been the fault of the OS?
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---When I started with Linux I used Redhat 9.0 I have 256MB of RAM and this sort of thing used to happen quite often when I opened very large picture files.
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Redhat eh? But since, you've discovered Vector Linux, and I see you liked it. So don't use the bloaded Redhat (which, it appears, you may not have enough ram for), just use Vector Linux (which you would definetly have more than enough ram for).
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---At college I booted up Knoppix including KDE on an old machine with only 64MB of RAM, it was too bad at running small programs like Xpaint but OpenOffice would slow it to a crawl.
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Read the bold parts in the quote, you'll understand.
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---I conclude that this is a memory problem more than and OS problem
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I conclude that Windows needs ALOT of ram. Redhat, Fedora and definetly some other GNU/Linux distros are in the same boat.
Slackware and Vector Linux are on a different boat, along with some more GNU/Linux distros, probably some of the BSDs, BeOS, and (feckit) GNU/Hurd. Not Windows, no way.
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---How ever when I boot up with Vector Linux it's very fast but that's only using Xfce so it's not fair to compare.
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What's wrong with using XFCE? XFCE is pretty damn good IMO. What are you missing from GNOME/KDE/Windows?
Aloone_Jonez:
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---I use an Athlon XP 2400+ with 256mb ram. Maybe you're right, maybe that isn't enough RAM for Windows. Well it is for even MANDRAKE and SuSE, and of course Slackware. Running KDE, KDE, and GNOME respectivly.
You're using the wroooooooooooong distro ;)
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I know my point was this can happen with Linux (or any OS) when you don't have enough memory.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---Why shouldn't you have been using OpenOffice?
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Because I shouldn't have used OpenOffice at work because it isn't on our approved list of software so I was breaking the rules.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---I run the beta on this computer, in GNOME, in Slackware, with XMMS and usually Mozilla open at the same time, and it runs like a dream.
Shouldn't be a problem... Oh wait, this is in Windows ;)
OK so it could've happened on Fedora too. Or SuSE, or Mandriva. But it WOULDN'T have happened on Slackware with XFCE.
Choice is... Glorious.
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Yes choice is a great thing.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---I've never had such an experience on any GNU/Linux distro, including Mandrake and SuSE.
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Try running them on
piratePenguin:
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---I know my point was this can happen with Linux (or any OS) when you don't have enough memory.
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I dunno what Windows must've been at with my 256mb ram in that case. It used to go into that mode all to often, sometimes with no other applications running.
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---Because I shouldn't have used OpenOffice at work because it isn't on our approved list of software so I was breaking the rules.
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noob:
my laptop. 350mhz k6-2 cpu. 64 meg ram and a 4 gig hdd. win2k, ok ish but not for long. xp - bootscreen fills most oif the ram. woot a bootscreen for? y cover the kernel messages. knoppix std, wowage its fast. same as my server which has a 2.2 gig cpu and 386 meg of ram. my pc. xp pro sp2. WOW so fast, after install. install a few basic apps, incd and some dvd ram software. install steam for hl2 and it really slows down. steam doesnt run at bootup. pc again with media center. used to be so fast. i installed winamp, quicktime and downloaded some vids(free ones) and loadede my mp3's and its slowed down again. mandrake on my pc. fast after install, fast after install;ing ll packages i could. fast after major updates. never slowed down. all my probs have been with windows machines.
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