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Re: had to post this
« Reply #15 on: 16 October 2005, 12:06 »
drivers suck ass. linux has them, but atleast it works first time (in my experiance).
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Re: had to post this
« Reply #16 on: 16 October 2005, 14:15 »
In my experiance Windows and Linux can both have problems with drivers. Linux drivers are often semi-functional and  Windows drivers are often semi-stable that's just the way it is.
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Re: had to post this
« Reply #17 on: 17 October 2005, 12:12 »
Saitek Cyborg 3D joystick: (real experience)
On a Mac: (mine) Plug it in and launch X-Plane. Enjoy your flight.

On Windows: (a friend's) Plug it in and launch X-Plane. Note that the joystick is not recognised. Put in the driver CD and be forced to listen to crappy music and watch some 1 minute flash demo about how good this software is. Watch the installer crash half way through the install. Restart and repeat. Try again and it works. Launch X-Plane and watch as the system BSODs. Restart and it BSODs again. Swap the joystick and the keyboard USB plugs. It works!? Fly for a few hours, but the joystick is slightly laggy. Unplug the keyboard and mouse, and it's fixed... but no keyboard/mouse.

Have someone cause another BSOD by tripping over the joystick cable, ripping it out of the sockey. Plug it back in and restart. Continue flying. Then unplug the joystick. Start up the machine later and it BSODed. Remove the drivers in safe mode. Then repeat this process next time you want to use the joystick. Oh, and apologise to the friend who'se computer you had to do this all on.
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Re: had to post this
« Reply #18 on: 17 October 2005, 18:17 »
microsoft are lame when it comes to stability. if a driver is written badly, let the driver crash, not the whole system.
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« Reply #19 on: 17 October 2005, 18:28 »
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microsoft are lame when it comes to stability. if a driver is written badly, let the driver crash, not the whole system.

Sorry man... that makes too much sense. "Logical" isn't in the M$ vocabulary.
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Re: had to post this
« Reply #20 on: 17 October 2005, 20:24 »
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microsoft are lame when it comes to stability. if a driver is written badly, let the driver crash, not the whole system.

Duh bad Linux drivers can crash Linux to you know. Drivers run in ring 0 so a bad driver on any OS can bring down the entire system whether it be Linux Windows, BeOS or even BSD.
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Re: had to post this
« Reply #21 on: 17 October 2005, 20:39 »
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Duh bad Linux drivers can crash Linux to you know. Drivers run in ring 0 so a bad driver on any OS can bring down the entire system whether it be Linux Windows, BeOS or even BSD.
Not on the Hurd :p

EDIT: and with userspace drivers (which are getting more popular on GNU/Linux and I think there's some out there for FreeBSD and friends too).
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Re: had to post this
« Reply #22 on: 17 October 2005, 21:01 »
How come the whole system crashed when my X driver fucked up then?

I suppose it does depend on the driver, I have a feeling that even Windows printer drivers run in user space as my system has never crashed due to a dodgy printer driver, it's just refused to print or printed garbled.
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Re: had to post this
« Reply #23 on: 17 October 2005, 22:04 »
But your X driver wasn't in ring 0, was it? (I don't quite understand this ring stuff (I have an idea, but that's basically it))
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Re: had to post this
« Reply #24 on: 19 October 2005, 05:14 »
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How come the whole system crashed when my X driver fucked up then?

I suppose it does depend on the driver, I have a feeling that even Windows printer drivers run in user space as my system has never crashed due to a dodgy printer driver, it's just refused to print or printed garbled.


The whole system could have fucked up if it was related to AGPGART. It depends what and how it fucked up, its not all black boxes. What was the actual error?
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Re: had to post this
« Reply #25 on: 19 October 2005, 06:28 »
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Not on the Hurd :p
I can see how a vaporware system can never crash. :-P
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Re: had to post this
« Reply #26 on: 19 October 2005, 06:52 »
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I can see how a vaporware system can never crash. :-P

Hurd DOES exist, although not in a truly released state.  They just have snapshots, or whatever those Hurd people do.  You can download it right now (although you can't do all that much with it without compiling software out the ass, and even then)...
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Re: had to post this
« Reply #27 on: 19 October 2005, 11:11 »
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The whole system could have fucked up if it was related to AGPGART. It depends what and how it fucked up, its not all black boxes. What was the actual error?

I had changed my monitor from a crappy old 1024x768 CRT to a 1200x1600 TFT, I though it would still work with the lower resolution (Windows did) but when I booted to Vector Linux X started up as usual then after a couple of seconds it just locked up, so I rebooted with Knoppix and edited some configuration file (can't remember which one) to  change the driver to a generic VESA, I rebooted it worked. I was going to change the driver to a better one more suited to my graphics card but I ended up installing Ubuntu in the end. I'm thinking about changing again but I don't know what to try, I'd like something fairly small, preferible nom more than one CD.
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Re: had to post this
« Reply #28 on: 19 October 2005, 22:24 »
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You can download it right now (although you can't do all that much with it without compiling software out the ass, and even then)...
Well there's Debian GNU/Hurd and it should have everything you need (note: need) in the repositories.
I was using it alot a while back, but my (nvidia) network card doesn't work (only cards that work in linux 2.0 work, as gnumach took it's drivers from linux 2.0). They have some really really cool stuff going on.

There used to be a Gentoo GNU/Hurd distribution, but it didn't last long. Some Ubuntu guy wanted to release an Ubuntu GNU/Hurd distribution, but I doubt it'll happen. There's also talk of an official distribution release.

Checkout the livecd, after reading a bit, if yer interested.
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