By Yaweh!

[Kintaro]

Death, when you die you go into this dream like state of euphroia and bliss, it doesnt matter how bad a person you are, it doesn't count. I have been there before.

[Orethrius]

Jack, you seem to get the whole concept of 攻殻機動隊 (Kokaku Kidotai), which I lack the knowledge (I would argue that all do, but that's best left for another day) to affirm or deny.  Kintaro, narcotics don't count - you still have cognitive thought processes whilst high, even if you don't notice them.

[H_TeXMeX_H]

about the:what makes you ... YOU!

well what makes you ... YOU is(or should I say are) your memories
even if you can clone yourself with your memories ... if you can not
transfer your thoughts as in the exact moment you will cease to exist
your exact "self" (should if you want) will cease to exist
making a copy of yourself is not the answer.
the only way to live  forever is to go digital...
by transferring your memories and your brain impulses into some
kind of "brain/flesh simulator" you can achieve true immortality
it is not the atoms it is the "mind"/"soul"/"electricity"/"whatever"
that makes you ... yourself


ps:the idea of karma is totaly wrong!
just in case you bring that up

Your thoughts are just electrochemical signals made up of ions, neurotransmitters and the like ... they are saved along with the rest of your atoms. There is no such thing as a soul or karma ... I'm not Buddist or Hindu either. If you figure out a way to

 "transferring your memories and your brain impulses into some
 kind of "brain/flesh simulator"" ...

you may become very rich ... but it will never happen because I am right

If you missed the point, I'm trying to remove any notion of a 'soul' or anything that is not present in the real world

[Jack2000]

the soul
as in ghost type of soul
ugh ... no ... it is scientificly impossible
plus if the soul keeps all the info (memories)
then why if the brain is damaged you can lose some info (if not dead already)

so we all agree ghost/soul is a bogus theory ?

[Aloone_Jonez]

What about dinosours?

Exactly, I was being sarcastic.

Death, when you die you go into this dream like state of euphroia and bliss, it doesnt matter how bad a person you are, it doesn't count. I have been there before.

What an ironic theme for (possibly) your last post?

I've never had a near death experiance so I don't really knoe but I've read about this and spoken to people that have so I'm reasonable sure of what happens when we die.

For one you're not a bad person but I agree with this anyway. When your brain is dying it endorphins are released creating a state euphoia and bliss, neurons fire at random thus invoking thoughts and memories (people often say "my whole life flashed before my very eyes"), this is followed by permanent unconsciousness - you're dead. Death in itself isn't painful it's what happens before that's often torture.

Having said all of this there is still one big gap in the theory: some people have outer body experiances when they look down on themselves on a hospital bed and watch the nurses, doctors and surgeons trying to resuscitate them. My father has experianced this, I don't know how this can be explained, imagination maybe but there again he could recall some details of the procedures carried out on him. Perhapps he's been watching too many hospital TV dramas, maybe his sole was escaping his body. I'm tempted to believe that the mind regains some form of consciousness before death - I don't know and I suppose when I do find out I'll won't be able to tell anyone.

[piratePenguin]

What about dinosours?

God intentionally placed their fossils about the place to mislead us

[Dark_Me]

Having said all of this there is still one big gap in the theory: some people have outer body experiances when they look down on themselves on a hospital bed and watch the nurses, doctors and surgeons trying to resuscitate them. My father has experianced this, I don't know how this can be explained, imagination maybe but there again he could recall some details of the procedures carried out on him. Perhapps he's been watching too many hospital TV dramas, maybe his sole was escaping his body. I'm tempted to believe that the mind regains some form of consciousness before death - I don't know and I suppose when I do find out I'll won't be able to tell anyone.

It's not that people are watching too much T.V. or have over-active imaginations. Most of the instruments aren't unwrapped from their protective coverings until after the patient has been knocked out.

[H_TeXMeX_H]

the soul
as in ghost type of soul
ugh ... no ... it is scientificly impossible
plus if the soul keeps all the info (memories)
then why if the brain is damaged you can lose some info (if not dead already)

so we all agree ghost/soul is a bogus theory ?

I agree ... soul = bullshit

[Orethrius]

God intentionally placed their fossils about the place to mislead us

 Indeed, She did.  

[mobrien_12]

In my opinion Einstein was, in general, a moron (except for Photoelectric effect, that was useful) , I diagree with his equation (E=mc2) it's flawed, and I have derived the real form, and as for the Big Bang ...

Religion + Science = Big Bang

Who created the Big Bang ? God of course.

I also think all science is bunch of shit, except for maybe a few fundemental laws like Conservarion of Mass and Energy. Scientists can make up all the shit they want and call it truth, it's just shit ! Oh and the matter = energy bit is retarded, and it voilates fundemental laws. All experiments trying to prove Einstein's stupid equation are just stupid, the conclusions dont follow from data:

Perfect Example:
http://www.aip.org/history/einstein/emc1.htm

Quote: "In Paris in 1933, Ir

[mobrien_12]

If they say that the hole f* kin human race began with just two people
are not we "banging" our "sisters and brothers" ??
wtf is that ??
are they stupid or something
that religion is BUGed
i bet Bill is to blame ... ahem i mean god

I once asked a biologist if it were possible for a species to propagate from just two members (male & female).  She said that there was a mathematical proof that showed it is possible to create a viable gene pool in a finite number of generations, despite the incest.  You end up with a lot of $#%^#ed up people/animals/specimins along the way, but if they don't breed, you get a viable gene pool with enough diversity that the recombiant recessive genes are not an issue.  In other words, wait enough generations, keep the messed up specimins from breeding, and eventually you have enough genetic diversity that the people are genetically not like "brothers and sisters," despite common ancestry.

[Jenda]

Now I'm a scientific type of person myself. And I have created mathematical proof of the existence of the _immaterial_* soul. For this I had to assume free will - that is that it is not given nor random what I will do in the next moment. "I have choice" implies "I have a soul". If you're interested, I can try explaining the process of implication here . It's probably gonna be long in text...

*immaterial - not immortal. That I do not know and cannot know, therefore a quantum superposition of states as in the Shroedingers cat theoretical experiment.

[Jack2000]

free will...
the free will is the natural *next step* in evolution
there is nothing supernatural to it...

[Aloone_Jonez]

the transformation of electric fields into magnetic fields, also which has been experimentally proven.

This has been know about for hell of a long time and is what happens in radio wave propagation, it's a long time since I did this so here goes:

With a 1/2 wave dipole antenna:
An E-field (electric field) solely exists near the aerial then further away (1/2 wave length I think) it's matched by an equal H-field (magnetic field) at 90 degrees to it.

The reverse is true with a 1/2 wave folded dipole.
An H-field (magnetic) solely exists near the aerial then further away (if I'm right 1/2 wavelength again) it's matched by an equal E-field.

This only applies to alternating electric and magnetic fields, which consist of both electric and magnetic fields. A steady state E-field (for example (a balloon with a static charge on it) or an H-field (like an electro magnet) always remains the same since its wavelength is infinite.

[mobrien_12]

This has been know about for hell of a long time and is what happens in radio wave propagation, it's a long time since I did this so here goes:

With a 1/2 wave dipole antenna:
An E-field (electric field) solely exists near the aerial then further away (1/2 wave length I think) it's matched by an equal H-field (magnetic field) at 90 degrees to it.

The reverse is true with a 1/2 wave folded dipole.
An H-field (magnetic) solely exists near the aerial then further away (if I'm right 1/2 wavelength again) it's matched by an equal E-field.

This only applies to alternating electric and magnetic fields, which consist of both electric and magnetic fields. A steady state E-field (for example (a balloon with a static charge on it) or an H-field (like an electro magnet) always remains the same since its wavelength is infinite.

Umm, NO.  Radio/light wave propagation is something completely different than what I was talking about, and the statement that a steady-state E or H-field never changes is just plain wrong.  It changes with the velocity of the frame of reference.

A steady state E-Field looks like a combination of an E-Field and an H-Field from another velocity.  Likewise a steady state H-Field at one velocity looks like a combination of a steady state E-Field and H-Field at another velocity.  This is because E and H fields are not really separate entities, but are physical manefestations of one tensor quantity:  the electromagnetic field tensor.  The parts of the field tensor you "see" depend on your frame of reference.  

So your statically charged balloon?  It looks like it is emitting a magnetic field as well as an electric field if you are looking at it while travelling at relativistic speeds with respect to the balloon.  Likewise, your magnet has a static electric field under the same conditions.  It's wierd.  That's relativity.

Look at the nutshell version from Wikipedia.  It really doesn't go into enough information about relativisitic tensor transformations, but it's a start.