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piratePenguin:
--- Quote from: Jenda ---will the community hold as strong if GNU/Linux starts dominating the IT world?
I, for one, believe it will.
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I just hope it does. But it'd be very possible for some frickin' crap company to make a relatively-crap GNU/Linux distro if/when MS starts falling, market it well, charge lots for it, ship with non-free software, and fucking own the show. Such a distro probably wouldn't have a very good community. Let's just hope it doesn't happen.
I'd rather see people go to Ubuntu than the likes of SuSE. Ubuntu is a great distro, and has a fecking great community. In fact I'd say things probably will go Ubuntu-direction. And I'd love if they did.
I hope also that if the masses started using GNU/Linux, the manufacturers would free all their drivers, and the software companies would make more of their software free. If they don't, it could be a disaster freedom-wise. And that would damage the community slightly.
Right now, GNU/Linux users are safer on the net than they might ever be. But I can imagine alot of programmers employed to fix vulernabilities fast if GNU/Linux was to replace Windows.
And if GNU/Linux was the standard OS, it wouldn't be so hard to get a job as a programmer where you don't need to make non-free software. Perhaps there is hope for me in the future.....
There'd be alot of investment going into whatever GNU/Linux distro.
EDIT: If GNU/Linux replaced Windows, it would probably be much less a community thing actually. Most of the programmers would be working in house.
Aloone_Jonez:
piratePenguin,
I agree with most of what you've said apart from a few things. :)
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Are you sure? Because I think you do:
"Removal of infections would be easier since the virus wouldn't have the benefit of root permissions" There's at least one benefit of the masses switching from Windows to GNU/Linux right there. Thanks!
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Well when I use Windows XP I use a limeted user account so the programs don't have root permissions.
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But then why are there so many unstable Windows systems?
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And there're aren't unstable Linux systems? Holly fuck Redhat Linux kernel panicked more than Windows XP locked up.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---I dunno what to say about all your driver problems Aloone except that GNU/Linux doesn't get enough manufacturer support. And of course you already knew that.
Anyhow, what GFX card do you have? ATi/nVidia? ATi's drivers are suposadly shit. I have an nVidia card, and never had any problems back when I used nVidia's drivers.
Give them GNU/Linux, they'll never be able to repay you enough for giving them such a great headstart :D
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A shitty on board pro-savage DDR, and I did isntall the correct driver I found on the internet, as well as the default one.
piratePenguin:
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---Well when I use Windows XP I use a limeted user account so the programs don't have root permissions.
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Well, compare MS's attitude to the root a/c to that of the typical GNU/Linux distro. A shitty posting on a shitty site that nobody reads is NOT ENOUGH!
I wonder has MS learned, and are they gonna put a guest a/c onto the default config of Longhorn. I can almost hear the cries of helpless Windows users "wwhhyyy is there two users? There's only one of me!".
EDIT: They'll think they're pure genius when they manage to delete the guest a/c :p
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---And there're aren't unstable Linux systems? Holly fuck Redhat Linux kernel panicked more than Windows XP locked up.
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In which case "Redhat Linux" is shit. Simple. Get another distro, it's not like they're limited.
So you like Vector Linux, use that rather than "Redhat Linux". And there, you've got yourself a stable and secure GNU/Linux system.
"Wouldn't it be nice if we could make our own Windows distributions?" (I'm not saying anyone said that, although someone has said something about Widows distros here in one thread I was posting in (probably the "muzzy, why does windows rule?" one), use yer imagination :p) Anyhow, you can't do such a thing on Windows. If it offered the same freedom, or should I say, if it offered less RESTRICTIONS, you would be able to do that (I don't think, other than the restrictions, there's much else to prevent it being done (like it's not a technical thing), but I dunno). But it doesn't, whereas GNU/Linux does, and now you can get all sorts of GNU/Linux distros. GNU/Linux has less of the restrictions that DO NOT make the system any better.
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---A shitty on board pro-savage DDR, and I did isntall the correct driver I found on the internet, as well as the default one.
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OK so Via don't give a fuck about GNU/Linux. I'll make note of that, and add them to my boycott list :D
Aloone_Jonez:
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---Well, compare MS's attitude to the root a/c to that of the typical GNU/Linux distro. A shitty posting on a shitty site that nobody reads is NOT ENOUGH!
I wonder has MS learned, and are they gonna put a guest a/c onto the default config of Longhorn. I can almost hear the cries of helpless Windows users "wwhhyyy is there two users? There's only one of me!".
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Didn't you say slackware only makes a root account by default. I agree it's a bit differant as it's not aimed at newbs like Windows is, but still.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---In which case "Redhat Linux" is shit. Simple. Get another distro, it's not like they're limited.
So you like Vector Linux, use that rather than "Redhat Linux". And there, you've got yourself a stable and secure GNU/Linux system.
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That's why I don't use Redhat and use Vector Linux instead. My point was there are unstable Linuxs systems as they're unstable Windows systemsm. I found both systems very stable which is good.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---"Wouldn't it be nice if we could make our own Windows distributions?" (I'm not saying anyone said that, although someone has said something about Widows distros here in one thread I was posting in (probably the "muzzy, why does windows rule?" one), use yer imagination :p) Anyhow, you can't do such a thing on Windows. If it offered the same freedom, or should I say, if it offered less RESTRICTIONS, you would be able to do that (I don't think, other than the restrictions, there's much else to prevent it being done (like it's not a technical thing), but I dunno). But it doesn't, whereas GNU/Linux does, and now you can get all sorts of GNU/Linux distros. GNU/Linux has less of the pointless restrictions that DO NOT make the system any better.
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I agree but you can always just download warez Windows. :D
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---OK so Via don't give a fuck about GNU/Linux. I'll make note of that, and add them to my boycott list :D
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It's not a very good card but it more than suits my needs.
piratePenguin:
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---Didn't you say slackware only makes a root account by default. I agree it's a bit differant as it's not aimed at newbs like Windows is, but still.
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If the Slackware installer created an un-privilaged user a/c, that would make it more user-friendly. Slackware aims to be as user-UNfriendly as possible, so creating an un-privilaged a/c automatically would be a bad thing. In fact, I can't even remember if you need to reboot to use 'useradd' to add a user to the install, you mightn't, you could probably 'chroot' into the system if it didn't do so already. Or you could edit /etc/passwd manually (although probably without shadow unless you 'chroot' + 'passwd'). And there ya go!
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---there are unstable Linuxs systems as they're unstable Windows systemsm.
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Yes yea but like they're not near as frequent...
In fact, I should've mentioned this earlier, I had a free class today in the computer room, so I decided to turn on the computer, out of curiosity. I waited. And waited. And eventually Windows 2000 (I think it was 2000. Doubt it was '98. But I don't remember. It COULDN'T have been 98) loaded, and I logged in (username: "student39" (that's the computer number that I was on, not the student number heh), password: "2logon" (same pass for all the a/c's lol)), and soon the desktop loaded up. I clicked on the start menu and it wouldn't popup for like the 30secs I waited, so I held down the power button and that was the end of my session on Windows.
Friend next to me said "you're supposed to wait" :thumbup:
Is this 1965 or what? (damn! I should've taut of that at the time :()
--- Quote from: Aloone_Jonez ---I agree but you can always just download warez Windows. :D
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Or you can use (read: support) Free Software.
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