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piratePenguin:
--- Quote from: toadlife ---I never said that. The GPL can be very usefull (Ask IBM) in certain situations. I just disagree with the idea that not using is inherently bad.
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What I said:
--- Quote from: me ---If the developers used, for example, the BSD licence, anyone could copy the software, make it non-free, add in some nice features, and the community's future could be at risk if the software is good enough.
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[/color][/color]What you said:
--- Quote from: you ---I'm so sick if this argument. It amounts to little more than FUD. This type of thing you worry so much about hardly ever happens.
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Let's just put it this way: if a non-copyleft, free software licence (eg. BSD) was used (by RMS and GNU, etc.), nothing could stop anyone from ripping off the code and making their own non-free program based entirely on the non-copyleft, free software (eg. BSD) licenced code. It has happened before. It could happen all the time if the BSD licence was used rather than the GPL.
And that's part-of what I was saying.
You call it FUD. I call it FACT. If you disagree that it is FACT, then please let me know what would stop anyone from doing that.
"inherently bad", who said that? I, for sure, would rather see everything use the GPL than everything use the BSD licence.
--- Quote from: toadlife ---Mplayer? Mplayer sucks rocks compared to WMP. You may not agree, but I guarantee you Microsoft would.
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Possibly a bad example. AFAIK, mplayer has lots of features that WMP lacks. MS could take (read: steal, if you so desire) them and implement them in WMP. There would eventually be no question: mplayer would "suck rocks" compared to WMP.
Why should we help the evil bastards when they never help us?
--- Quote from: toadlife ---You seem to have a deep misunderstanding of Microsoft, it's culture, and it's history. I was going to touch on this in my last post, but forgot. If you look at the roots of the NT kernel you'll notice that it is based upon VMS, which is widely regarded by people who had the pleasure of using or administering it as one of those most stable/kick-ass operating systems ever made.
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VMS eh? I'll check it out sometime.
--- Quote from: toadlife ---Bill Cutler, who was the chief architect of VMS, and the cheif architect (read: evil nazi dictator) of NT in it's early days, hated Unix with a passion. Alot of NT's design is based around the widely held belief in the scientific community that UNIX is an old, tired Operating System design which has absoultely no place in today's computing world. For Microsoft to take an OS like BSD and base their next OS on it, would contradict their goals. Their current TCP stack isn't even based on the BSD stack. In earlier versions of NT, it was, but later on, they ended up buying a TCP stack from another company to integrate into Windows 2000 and XP.
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Err.
*vaguely sees what this has to do with anything.*
What exactly is MS's goals then? To create the most unlike-UNIX or unlike-*BSD OS in the world? Or to make the best OS in the world (let's leave all the other reasons like "to take over the world" and all that aside for now)? In which case, the FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD (I actually amn't sure about what licence OpenBSD uses. But I think it's safe to assume it's BSD.) code would come in very handy.
And if all the GNU tools used the BSD licence too, MS (et al) could help themselves to that. Same goes for Linux, GNOME, KDE, and all other free software.
You do know that in my previous posts where I said "BSD" I always meant the BSD licence, right?
--- Quote from: Rafalm ---VideoLAN player kicks the ass of WMP, although it can't play WMV's (yet).
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Indeed. I actually don't have any video player (read: decent video player) installed ATM. Might use VLP one when I need one.
toadlife:
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---What exactly is MS's goals then? To create the most unlike-UNIX or unlike-*BSD OS in the world? Or to make the best OS in the world (let's leave all the other reasons like "to take over the world" and all that aside for now)?
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The same as every othre company in existence; To make money.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---In which case, the FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD (I actually amn't sure about what licence OpenBSD uses. But I think it's safe to assume it's BSD.) code would come in very handy.
And if all the GNU tools used the BSD licence too, MS (et al) could help themselves to that. Same goes for Linux, GNOME, KDE, and all other free software.
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Microsoft sees BSD/linux/UNIX and all of the things that come along with them as inferior to their products. That is why I don't think they would make use of the code.
piratePenguin:
--- Quote from: toadlife ---The same as every othre company in existence; To make money.
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Hehe. Why didn't I think of that?
--- Quote from: toadlife ---Microsoft sees BSD/linux/UNIX and all of the things that come along with them as inferior to their products. That is why I don't think they would make use of the code.
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Well, heck, anyone could take advantage of the BSD licenced code.
Anyone could take FreeBSD, for example, make it a bit more user-friendly, and sell it under some crappy non-free software licence. Whereas if FreeBSD was all GPLed it would have to be released under a free software licence.
I'm aware that there's some GPL licenced code in FreeBSD (and it's packages. Or is it just it's packages?), let's disregard that for a while.
Jenda:
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Microsoft sees BSD/linux/UNIX and all of the things that come along with them as inferior to their products. That is why I don't think they would make use of the code.
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Come on! Do you mean that? They say they think so, but in fact, you can never really know what they really think - that is, until you read the Hallowe'en documents.
http://www.opensource.org/halloween/
Microsoft, as well as all of us here, knows very well that FLOSS is WAY superior to their garbage, and the only thing protecting it from Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V ripoff is the GPL! And just wait for Long-Born flashing the new, unknown features that have all been copied off Linux & other FLOSS...
piratePenguin:
--- Quote from: Jenda ---the Hallowe'en documents.
http://www.opensource.org/halloween/
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First time I came across that (I tend to stay away from opensource.org), and it's bloodey interesting.
Would make a good feature article.
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