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Simon:
I can't quite read what Firefox is Saying. He seems to be giving MS hate a bad name.

Shiver:
Both Winblows and Linux take a lot of knowledge to use and configure effectively. The difference between them is that Windoze can be used anyway but it will work like a piece of shit that's begging to get filled with virii and all kinds of shitware. Then you need to install patches over a patch to a patch all the time and use 3rd party software to keep your system clean because the needed stuff isn't there out of the box or sucks.

I'd say I know how to keep Winblows clean but the average user doesn't. I tried to help a friend today with her computer via IRC. She told me she had virus problems and IE would stop working after the computer has been running for some time. It turned out the firewall wasn't blocking it -- or at least the settings suggested so -- so who knows. It's IE. I told her to dump that shit and install Firefox. I feel pissed for the less computer literate people who have to put up with Winbloze. I won't even start about its stability. Fucking BSODs is all it can do for me so I as I reinstalled Windoze I also installed Linux and use it more and more. The number of things I can only do on Winbloze get fewer by the day as I figure out stuff. Looking at the default config, I can only wonder how the average user can keep his Windose system from falling apart.

By the way, since I reinstalled Windoze and installed SP2 on it, it BSODs even more now than with the three-year old install. It's hardly usable. Great patch.

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Aloone_Jonez:
This annoys me too, Microsoft say their OS is supposed to be easy to use but it won't be unless they should include a decent anti-virus and firewall with the default configuration.

muzzy:
I've never ran anti-virus on my system, and I don't use a firewall. Plus, I use IE for web browsing. So, I've configured stuff a little, but how come I've never gotten any of these viruses you speak of?

I have no idea what you guys are doing to break your systems, other than intentionally installing malware (or being tricked by exes that have folder icons or other silly stuff). I installed my current w2k installation in 2000, and it's still working. Nearly five year old installation, and stuff still works great. I can only conclude that either you guys have bad hardware, or the difference is in the user.

Oh, and regarding third party software. I suspect you guys mainly use non-GNU software too. Your web browser, your mail client, your chat clients, text editors, etc... They're all from outside of the GNU project, third party software.

Shiver:

--- Quote from: muzzy ---I've never ran anti-virus on my system, and I don't use a firewall. Plus, I use IE for web browsing. So, I've configured stuff a little, but how come I've never gotten any of these viruses you speak of?

I have no idea what you guys are doing to break your systems, other than intentionally installing malware (or being tricked by exes that have folder icons or other silly stuff). I installed my current w2k installation in 2000, and it's still working. Nearly five year old installation, and stuff still works great. I can only conclude that either you guys have bad hardware, or the difference is in the user.

Oh, and regarding third party software. I suspect you guys mainly use non-GNU software too. Your web browser, your mail client, your chat clients, text editors, etc... They're all from outside of the GNU project, third party software.
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I didn't say I had viruses, I've never had one manage to get loose in my system. I said my computer illiterate friend has. You can configure your system to keep it clean. Good for you. Not everyone knows how to.

And my bad hardware seems to run Linux just fine. I have read the other topic too, so I guess you'll say it's the crappy Windows drivers for the HW. Might be. The only drivers I have installed myself (ie. not automatically by Windows) are the video, sound and network card. I have no idea if these are the cause, and I don't really care what's to blame unless it's me and I can't fix it. My point being, Windows doesn't work, while Linux does.

As for the third party software: Yes, I use a lot of 3rd party software on Linux. I don't have a problem with that. I have a problem with buying more software just to compensate the flaws in Windows.  I suppose you can run Windows without them as you said, but if I have to choose between a system that just about stays safe with constant patching and another that stays clean with very little work (and free apps)...

Yes, I know there are free firewalls for Windows but the free antivirus apps just don't cut it, in my opinion.

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