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Windows Sucks
Jenda:
All you people are completely off topic.
My point?
Windows Sucks...
muzzy:
Anti-virus isn't a software, it's a service. Next you'll be bitching that you can't get network connectivity without paying to third party, either! Boo hoo.
Windows doesn't need antivirus to be secure.
Windows doesn't need third party firewall to be secure.
Windows works just fine out of the box, as long as you're installing a version with latest service pack and so on.
Anyway, if you define "third party" as in "Separate download", we indeed won't be getting anywhere. Even though Redhat and others distribute software, they haven't made it and it's not their software. They just have the right to redistribute it.
Now, if you're trying to make this issue bigger than it is and say it affects Windows negatively, there's nothing to discuss. In my opinion, you just can't compare the two. If you're saying that Microsoft's monopoly on their own OS is a bad thing, we can discuss that. I'd indeed love it if people could make their own Windows installation CDs with loads of software on them. This would put different specific distributions comparable again.
Windows as an operating system kicks ass and wins linux in most tasks severely. The problem here is that you're comparing apples to oranges, comparing GNU system loaded with shitloads of third party software to a Microsoft operating system with no third party software. Obviously, if you choose what to compare to what and under what terms, you can make anything win or lose upon will. What's the point?
BobTheHob:
--- Quote from: muzzy ---Anti-virus isn't a software, it's a service. Next you'll be bitching that you can't get network connectivity without paying to third party, either! Boo hoo.
Windows doesn't need antivirus to be secure.
Windows doesn't need third party firewall to be secure.
Windows works just fine out of the box, as long as you're installing a version with latest service pack and so on.
Anyway, if you define "third party" as in "Separate download", we indeed won't be getting anywhere. Even though Redhat and others distribute software, they haven't made it and it's not their software. They just have the right to redistribute it.
Now, if you're trying to make this issue bigger than it is and say it affects Windows negatively, there's nothing to discuss. In my opinion, you just can't compare the two. If you're saying that Microsoft's monopoly on their own OS is a bad thing, we can discuss that. I'd indeed love it if people could make their own Windows installation CDs with loads of software on them. This would put different specific distributions comparable again.
Windows as an operating system kicks ass and wins linux in most tasks severely. The problem here is that you're comparing apples to oranges, comparing GNU system loaded with shitloads of third party software to a Microsoft operating system with no third party software. Obviously, if you choose what to compare to what and under what terms, you can make anything win or lose upon will. What's the point?
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You have selective hearing apparently, either that, or your really stupid. WINDOWS MINIMAL INSTALL IS LESS SECURE THAN *NIX MINIMAL INSTALL, NO FUCKING THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE. *nix command only, no gui, no firewall enabled. There, maybe you heard that.
muzzy:
And how do you define "secure"? If you're going to pick your favourite *nix, can I also pick my favourite Win32? We could compare plain Windows 2003 server after mere windowsupdate to any of your nix systems, you declare what defines "secure". How about that? Name your OS and name the method of measurement.
BobTheHob:
--- Quote from: muzzy ---And how do you define "secure"? If you're going to pick your favourite *nix, can I also pick my favourite Win32? We could compare plain Windows 2003 server after mere windowsupdate to any of your nix systems, you declare what defines "secure". How about that? Name your OS and name the method of measurement.
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OpenBSD 3.6 CD install, no update shit going on, who said you could update. Oh well, even if you did update, it wouldent matter. Oh yea, you can turn on the 2003 firewall, I don't care, but I'm leaving mine off for fun. You can put norton corporate on there too if ya want. But I'm gonna stick with a default install, no ports or add-ons. Actually I'll probably install Xorg and gnome so I can play Monkey-Bubble, its fucking awesome btw. Actually, I'll make you a deal, if I can enable my software firewall. You can install all the security apps you can on a 03' datacenter box with 64 Itanium procs, 62 of the procs will be devoted to the security applications. Oh, and take the security from any angle you want.
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