Lamabox

[Jack2000]

And yes everything and everyone is corrupt ... they steal from you, you steal from them, they lie to you, you lie back, everything and everyone is full of shit ... so what can you do ? Keep the cycle going, hey if they don't stop I sure as hell won't

yup that IS the Bulgarian attitude/way
to things which is why
we first thought of using air planes
for military actions :!

care to make it suck for the others more then care to make it better for you !
wich is also why we are so fucked up !

[H_TeXMeX_H]

It may be a shitty attitude, but what do you suggest ? That I go along with everything they force upon me ? That I give up and let them run me into the ground ? You know that there is no (plausible) way to stop the cycle, even if I stop they won't. They want everything from me, and I won't give it to them. That just isn't me.

[Kintaro]

I don't think it's stealing if you trade a song for another song for free.

Your an idiot then.

[Orethrius]

Your an idiot then.

 So the next time you "borrow" a friend's CD, remind me to send the Gestapo your way.
What's that?  You didn't rip it?  How do we know that?  Show us the proof that you didn't copy it.
Given, that'd be proving a negative, but when has *that* stopped police-states?

[Kintaro]

So the next time you "borrow" a friend's CD, remind me to send the Gestapo your way.
What's that?  You didn't rip it?  How do we know that?  Show us the proof that you didn't copy it.
Given, that'd be proving a negative, but when has *that* stopped police-states?

Sharing songs between friends is one thing, mass distributing them on networks designed for it is another.

You have no sense of proportion at all. In other words, your also an idiot.

[Refalm]

Sharing songs between friends is one thing, mass distributing them on networks designed for it is another.

You have no sense of proportion at all. In other words, your also an idiot.

Proportion doesn't matter, it still trading songs for free, wether if it's with my nextdoor neighbour or on Gnutella.

[Kintaro]

Then it is still stealing.

[Refalm]

Then it is still stealing.

I don't think it's stealing, and apparantly, the Dutch law doesn't think either.

[Kintaro]

I don't think it's stealing, and apparantly, the Dutch law doesn't think either.

Yet you fail to argue why you don't feel it is stealing. I think it is stealing because it costs a lot of money to record music. People like you are taking the money out of already broke sound engineers pockets (not to mention electronics technitians on assembley lines who build mixers and a range of other electronic equipment that DOES NOT DIGITALLY EXIST FOR FREE DISTRIBUTION ON THE INTERNET). It is as simple as that my friend, its stealing, its amoral. Sure you might hold left wing pinko ideals like me about big recording companies, but you still completely neglect to even think of the little guy getting screwed in the middle. You and your country are just selfish.

[Dark_Me]

I don't think it's stealing, and apparantly, the Dutch law doesn't think either.

You're talking about bittorrents, right? The reason they are legal is not because the government does not see it as stealing but because the sites themselves do not contain copyrighted material.

[Kintaro]

You're talking about bittorrents, right? The reason they are legal is not because the government does not see it as stealing but because the sites themselves do not contain copyrighted material.

Exactly, I would be really pissed off if bittorrents were made illegal along with any P2P because they also provide a great medium to find legal material. For example I know a lot of musicans like myself who use soulseek to share their own demos freely.

[Annorax]

You're talking about bittorrents, right? The reason they are legal is not because the government does not see it as stealing but because the sites themselves do not contain copyrighted material.

Things are a little different in the US... the "made available" clause of the DMCA makes torrent file providers liable as though they'd provided the actual copyright material.

[Kintaro]

Things are a little different in the US... the "made available" clause of the DMCA makes torrent file providers liable as though they'd provided the actual copyright material.

Same here in Australia, we follow the DMCA and personally I feel it is quite stupid. Especially when people try to carry out DMCA action on search engines like google, which has been done in the past.

[ghostofra]

I use LimeWire and BitTorrent to download songs and albums but after i am done listing to them and decide that yes i do or do not like this artist/album i head out to FYE and buy me the album or single and delete the mp3's. So is P2P relly that evil if used responsbly and not taken for granted?

[Refalm]

You're talking about bittorrents, right? The reason they are legal is not because the government does not see it as stealing but because the sites themselves do not contain copyrighted material.

No, I'm talking about that it's legal here to download off all P2P networks. It's however illegal to upload.

I don't think it's stealing because the money from CD sells does not go to the artist directly anyway, they still need record companies to get famous or to distribute CD's.
I believe it works in the intrests of music artists if they found ways to distribute their music independantly from record companies.