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The Vandalisation of Windows
Aloone_Jonez:
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---I think I see what you mean (literally).
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I knew about this, now try and see if KOffice will interoperate with OpenOffice or ABIWord in this manner?
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---I don't have OpenOffice so I don't know. Although, I can tell you can't copy from the GIMP into Krita (IMO Krita is shit anyhow. It's unstable and I prefer the GIMP's interface.
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UNIX might be able to share data but Windows goes one step further and shares objects - a big advantage.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---Everyone in the DOS world uses the same clipboard and stuff, I would guess.
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Each app has its own clipboard but there were ways to get round this and no it wasn't pretty. I'm sorry I shouldn't have mentioned DOS here.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---No, only text in Inkscape gets to the outside world, because it uses it's own internal clipboard.
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I think the problem might be due to the fact that the Linux clipboard might not support vector formats, I don't know.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---Could you do that easilly (i.e. almost-naturally) if both Inkscape and Abiword were made primarally for Windows (and made use of all it's API/stuff)?
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Certainly yes.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---Maybe. But KOffice is many different binaries (they share some core libraries) just like MS Office.
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I can do exactly the same with Corel Draw and Word even though they don't share the same binaries.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---Hopefully not too-frustrating. Otherwise, I could put you in contact with a good shrink.
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It's very frustrating when you want to work with Inkscape and ABI Word, it it too much to ask to be able to draw something in a drawing program, then past it into a word processor and click on it to edit and adjust it?
You can convert it to a raster format, but that's a pain in the arse, the print quality is shit, you can't resize with out seeing the pixels and to modify the graphic you need to go back into Inkscape and re-export it to a raster, then re-import it to ABI Word.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---Hopefully not too-frustrating. Otherwise, I could put you in contact with a good shrink.
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LOL - a typical zealot response, so it's the user's fault now for the OS's shortcommings. :rolleyes:
These issues still exist and calling the user stupid for noticing and being botherd about them is just plain childish.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin --- How many people find Windows stability (I've had alot of issues with Windows' stability.
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At work the admin have set the screensaver to lock the system and prompt for a password, I got round this annoying feature by setting the screensaver delay to 9999 miniutes (just under a week), I went on holiday for a couple of weeks and forgot to turn it off, when I came back it was still going, no BSOD, I just moved the mouse and it prompted me for the password.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---Microsoft did all the important-for selling things first. I think that could partly-explain why Windows sucks so bad. My Windows experience is haunted by stability
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I've already told you how to fix 99% of those issues.
--- Quote from: piratePenguin --- If lack of DDE/OLE haunts you, get help.
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OLE/DDE are very important tools in the office, they enable you to easilly create documents using many peices of software. OpenOffice and KOffice have implemented these features for themselves by using their own libraries and standards, when they really should've been part of the OS in the first place, hence they can't interoperate with each other.
adiment:
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---The Windows firewall doesn't compete with iptables. You can barely configure it. Firewalls are important, and every operating system connected to a network should have a very fucking good one. Especially Windows. Is there something I'm missing about the Windows firewall or is it really just plain shit?
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it's just plain shit. ;)
piratePenguin:
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These issues still exist and calling the user stupid for noticing and being botherd about them is just plain childish.
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Where did I say you were stupid? I was just making a joke, sheez.
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At work the admin have set the screensaver to lock the system and prompt for a password, I got round this annoying feature by setting the screensaver delay to 9999 miniutes (just under a week), I went on holiday for a couple of weeks and forgot to turn it off, when I came back it was still going, no BSOD, I just moved the mouse and it prompted me for the password.
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What? Is this news? Oh wait, we're talking about Windows, I guess it is.
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OLE/DDE are very important tools in the office, they enable you to easilly create documents using many peices of software. OpenOffice and KOffice have implemented these features for themselves by using their own libraries and standards, when they really should've been part of the OS in the first place, hence they can't interoperate with each other.
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Can I really make a picure in paint, paste it into Word, and edit it inside word using the paint interface? I guess that would be pretty cool.
Windows cannot do this on 256MB RAM. And to think that my system is still running responsive as ever with all that stuff open.. I mean, here, I just drew a gradient in GIMP (you'll notice the time in the clock is the same), not a hitch. A look at the System Monitor. Is that two/three/FOUR FUCKING times more memory being used than physical RAM available? How the FUCK is it still so fucking responsive. I didn't close anything between then and now, and I'd hardley know KDevelop, the GIMP, Inkscape, KWord, amaroK, the System Monitor, and Gnome Terminal are running but for the cluttered taskbar (image.
worker201:
I thought it had been universally accepted that Windows memory management was shit. Making it extremely limiting for certain types of applications, graphics being a major one. As far as the sort of person who wants to use MSPaint to make a Word document goes, well real programs and tough operating systems just aren't necessary.
By the way, object linking and embedding (OLE), which makes that possible, is one of the things that makes Windows so insecure. A virus can propogate from Outlook to Excel to Word to Powerpoint and back to Outlook without ever leaving your inbox. It's also a major cause of office suite bloat - an interoperability of a feature set that no one in their right mind would ever use. Plus, having each task centrally defined and apportioned, rather than peripherally, makes MSOffice unmodular and inefficient memory users. I'm glad that Linux doesn't have this kind of crap.
Aloone_Jonez:
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---Can I really make a picure in paint, paste it into Word, and edit it inside word using the paint interface? I guess that would be pretty cool.
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This works in Word but I don't have Word at home so I'll show you with WordPad and MS Paint and even OpenOffice.
You can paste from MS Paint to WordPad:
http://www.illhostit.com/files/9010837856089104/OLE1.PNG
Click on it and up pops a MS Paint tool bar allowing you to edit the image:
http://www.illhostit.com/files/3812224035403325/OLE2.PNG
Look you can even insert OpenOffice Drawings into WordPad!
http://www.illhostit.com/files/8067180888122247/OLE3.PNG
Interestingly when I edited a MS Paint picture which I'd inserted into OpenOffice it MS Paint appeared in a new Window. Perhapps the OO developers didn't like the idea of other application's tool bars being placed over thier own because it doesn't always look too pretty (especially when the other program has been designed by someone else). Notice in my previous example how the OO toolbar only partially covers WordPad's?
--- Quote from: piratePenguin ---Windows cannot do this on 256MB RAM. And to think that my system is still running responsive as ever with all that stuff open.. I mean, here, I just drew a gradient in GIMP (you'll notice the time in the clock is the same), not a hitch. A look at the System Monitor. Is that two/three/FOUR FUCKING times more memory being used than physical RAM available? How the FUCK is it still so fucking responsive. I didn't close anything between then and now, and I'd hardley know KDevelop, the GIMP, Inkscape, KWord, amaroK, the System Monitor, and Gnome Terminal are running but for the cluttered taskbar (image.
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I know Windows is shit at memory management but if you can't see that OLE and DDE are advantages then I can put you in contact with a good shrink. :p
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