Stop Microsoft
All Things Microsoft => Microsoft as a Company => Topic started by: RaZoR1394 on 23 February 2006, 10:42
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The February CTP release is out.
Build 5308 (2006-02-17) - Windows Vista February CTP - Released on February 22 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_22), 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006). The first feature-complete build of Windows Vista. Microsoft is planning on releasing this build in different product editions. This build is the first to include the ability to upgrade from Windows XP.
Seems like It's starting to take form. (http://www.pcmag.com/slideshow/0,1206,pg=0&s=26945&a=171997,00.asp)
Will try this powersucking bitch in Vmware when I get home. I wonder if the upgrade works from 64bit WinXP (64bit Windows Vista).
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I may try it out, if i can get a copy.
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Hey, I heard they added ZOOMING to their paintbrush application provided with Windows. About bloody time one of those accessories got upgraded in a noticably useful way. Perhaps they'll update the output filter DLLs for GIF/JPEG/PNG so when color reduction occurs, the image isn't destroyed (you KNOW what i'm talking about) in the process.
So, Vista is this:
Eye candy for solitare/minesweeper, 3D chess and shanghai solitare, new game for children, parental controls, new underlying APIs that will probably only be partially open (basing that on the fact Microsoft seems to be refusing to release specs for DirectUser), new IPv6 stack, IE7 (i've read up [on Microsoft's site] on the protection mechanisms at play in "protected mode", and hopefully this *is* all it's hyped up to be, so users don't get a new system just to get bogged down in malware again), New window drawing engine (Window color can be changed finally for the theme, a welcome addition), Media Center for home premium (I know, it debuted in XP, and I happen to have bought a machine back in 2004 with it), better protection of users by making it harder to hose their systems, RSS API, the ability to use key-drives as RAM (aka SuperFetch), support for raw camera data, updated start menu, something that will supposedly install lightning-fast, built-in spyware detector, scalable icons, a photo gallery utility?, calender program, "windows transfer", WMP11 (I somehow get the feeling I won't be impressed... but i'm trying to keep an open mind), a renamed outlook express, "secure startup" for corporate users, Windows Updater application, firewall improvements. Did I miss anything?
Now if they would just support DOM better (I tried out the IE7 to see the enhancements the IE team had given it). Don't like the unnatural placement of the menu-bar in IE. Still doesn't seem to like DOM code that it should. Set class attribute to one with a CSS style defined, and what happened in IE7? Nothing. Works in Firefox. Not saying they haven't done squat in IE7 (they have, I occasionally read their blog), but i'm pretty sure web developers would appreciate the change (I may not be a big-shot web developer, but I would like to be able to do less work for compatibility e.g. I can specify attributes /w createElement() in IE7, but not Firefox atm, but firefox handles adding attributes correctly, and IE7 atm doesn't)
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A gem from http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_editions.asp.
"Starter 2007 will allow only three applications (and/or three windows) to run simultaneously", "will provide Internet connectivity but not incoming network communications", "will not provide for logon passwords or Fast User Switching (FUS)".
In other words, Starter edition appears to be a piece of junk. And yet they can sell computers with this stuff? Sure, this is the "cheapest" version of Windows, and it's designed for markets without much money, but the "3" app window limit is absurd. I sort of wish someone would find out where these machines are being sold exactly, and start handing out free Linux CDs for people (assuming governments haven't made deals with Microsoft, and will stop such action)...
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Starter edition was always a piece of shit ... and it probably always will be ... and it costs a shitload too.
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isnt starter adition made so it only runs on Celerons and Sempr0ns or something?
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isnt starter adition made so it only runs on Celerons and Sempr0ns or something?
No, it's made that you can only run three programs at once, have no right to control your own computer, restrictions on installing stuff, etc.
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but the "3" app window limit is absurd.
I would be surprised if my mom ever used more than three applications at once. She may open outlook and firefox at the same time sometimes. There is a market for it and if you don't want it, don't buy it.
I think microsoft will make sure people know of this handicap in case they would rather purchase a more expensive copy.
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A gem from http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_editions.asp.
"Starter 2007 will allow only three applications (and/or three windows) to run simultaneously", "will provide Internet connectivity but not incoming network communications", "will not provide for logon passwords or Fast User Switching (FUS)".
In other words, Starter edition appears to be a piece of junk. And yet they can sell computers with this stuff? Sure, this is the "cheapest" version of Windows, and it's designed for markets without much money, but the "3" app window limit is absurd. I sort of wish someone would find out where these machines are being sold exactly, and start handing out free Linux CDs for people (assuming governments haven't made deals with Microsoft, and will stop such action)...
Someone should organize a Microsoft Bullshittery Awareness day where people volunteer to stand outside stores that sell Vista Starter Edition and hand out Ubuntu CDs. Think Canonical would want a piece of that?
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Someone should organize a Microsoft Bullshittery Awareness day where people volunteer to stand outside stores that sell Vista Starter Edition and hand out Ubuntu CDs. Think Canonical would want a piece of that?
You know ... that's a great idea. Maybe we should do it on the day Vista hits stores ... anyone know when that's gonna happen ?
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I like the eyecandy. Hopefully Windows Vista will be as stable or more stable than XP, or I won't be upgrading....
Starter Edition sounds like SHIT.
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It is complete shit...etement are you sure your barton can handle the load of vista :p
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Starter edition was always a piece of shit ... and it probably always will be ... and it costs a shitload too.
Eh?
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Eh?
I thought it cost like $50?
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$50 is a lot (3 pizzas worth or so) ... at least for what you get out of it.
I think a pizza's worth should be an international standard system of monetary value. 1 pizza's worth = $15 (not including tip)
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$50 is waay too much. It should be gratis, it's just shit anyhow.
Hopefully people will use their heads and use GNU/Linux.
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I would be surprised if my mom ever used more than three applications at once. She may open outlook and firefox at the same time sometimes. There is a market for it and if you don't want it, don't buy it.
Okay Pathos, I won't buy it. And no one should when you have perfectly good Linux distributions (that can run Windows apps). Why the crap would anyone buy something like this piece of junk that limits you, when you can get Linux for free? Are you planning on getting this for your Mother or something (what a *great* gift for her!)?
For markets with people "new" to computers (isn't this what Starter edition is for anyways?), why not Linux?
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Yeah but (I know I'm countering my previous argument) why would most people use Linux when they're limited by the rest of the industry's lack of support for it?
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What lack of support? Most of the hardware that doens't support Linux is shit anyways. DRI has stable drivers for all the ATi chipsets up to the Radeon 9250. Most other stuff is supported, and new drivers come out every day. All the hardware I've run linux on has been supported very well, even some random off brand NIC. Also, the target audience for Vista Starter isn't likely to be running very new hardware, though that's a moot point because piracy is huge in those countries, especially in China.
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Linux dont like my x800:(
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I got my printer to scan today ... it took a lot of trial and error ... but then everything does :D
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does starter edition do gaming? could make a cheap gaming machine then...
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does starter edition do gaming? could make a cheap gaming machine then...
Well, I was thinking the same sort of thing. However, without the ability to accept incoming connections, I'm thinking the online gaming experience will be very limited.
Also, remember that Vista won't be able to do anything below D3D10 except in software emulation. That doesn't sound like a very good game system to me.
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Also, remember that Vista won't be able to do anything below D3D10 except in software emulation. That doesn't sound like a very good game system to me.
I agree :D
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Well, I was thinking the same sort of thing. However, without the ability to accept incoming connections, I'm thinking the online gaming experience will be very limited.
Also, remember that Vista won't be able to do anything below D3D10 except in software emulation. That doesn't sound like a very good game system to me.
ah yes there is that too...
but for just a client for wow2/hl3 etc should be sweet.
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So basically everyone is going to upgrade besides me and a few other people (like 2 or 3) ... long live Emperor Gates ... bow down before him and his mighty empire or face his wrath.
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I just wanted to check what the fuzz was all about as it was feature complete. I'm not and will never run Windows as a main OS, just keep it as a playground.
However according to feedback it seems like It's a bitch to get around activation on this on so I don't think it will last longer than 12 days or something like that. Hopefully it will be cracked soon.
BTW, found this (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1931916,00.asp) article. It's pro vista but It's ok.
Finally :)
Vista will have completely new audio plumbing, from low-level stuff to the high-level user interface stuff. One of the biggest changes is the fact that the vast majority of the audio stack runs in User Mode, not Kernel Mode. You should be able to update audio drivers without rebooting your machine, and failed audio won't cause a BSOD
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Is it just me is microshit trying to steal Macs looks. Instead of putting Start they did the samething mac did put a logo there you can click on. then there useing a bunch of visual effects that will slow the os down a lot.
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So many vista shill articles out.
Bla bla bla greatest thing in the world.
Microsoft Vista, this time we really mean it!
Screw it. I stopped buying MS after Win2k. Activation pushed me over the edge and they just keep going.
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So basically everyone is going to upgrade besides me and a few other people (like 2 or 3) ... long live Emperor Gates ... bow down before him and his mighty empire or face his wrath.
err... y would we do that?
anyway this conversation is all based on the information the MS releases so who knows what the final product could be like.
The only thing I don't like about vista is how the new GUI ideas...Kde anyday.
They are at least seem to be making an attempt to build it properly bottom up. DRM was always going to come to windows, this will mean there shouldn't be any half arsed attempts like sony's again. Customers have to decide whether they want DRM or not.
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err... y would we do that?
Well at the time I posted that, it seemed that a number of people here were ok with upgrading to Vista ... maybe it was just my misunderstanding ... or maybe not
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Its better than before but still not worth the price tag.
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The only way they could get me to use Vista is to threaten me with the US Nuclear Arsenal. If it comes preinstalled on all new PCs, I'll build from scratch (and get a better machine, anyways).
(http://uncyclopedia.org/images/5/5b/Windowsvistamarketing.jpg)
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I'll build from scratch (and get a better machine, anyways).
If people start doing that then they'll just start selling all hard disks with Windows on them.
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If people start doing that then they'll just start selling all hard disks with Windows on them.
C:\WINDOWS|►format C:\
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C:\WINDOWS|►format C:\
More like
MS-Dos boot disk---C:\Windows Format C:
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More like
MS-Dos boot disk---C:\Windows Format C:
For a start it'll be formatted with NTFS which DOS won't recognise (you'd need a Linux disk) and you would've already payed for Windows when you baught the disk.
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Next person to ask for or post a link to software crack information gets banned. - Annorax
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Next person to ask for or post a link to software crack information gets banned. - Annorax
and yet members encourage piracy on MS software ??? wtf ???
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and yet members encourage piracy on MS software ??? wtf ???
We don't encourage "piracy" of MS software. MS software should be eradicated. As much as MS whines about "piracy" they benefit because it spreads their crappy monoculture.
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and yet members encourage piracy on MS software ??? wtf ???
They can speak their opinions all they want, as long as they're not actually enabling that piracy through these fora.
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So basically everyone is going to upgrade besides me and a few other people (like 2 or 3) ... long live Emperor Gates ... bow down before him and his mighty empire or face his wrath.
I certainly don't care. I haven't used any MS products since I joined up here, and that was over four years ago. If I upgrade, it'll be to a newer version of Slackware. :p
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Great ... long live Linux ... I was beginning to think everyone was gonna upgrade ... sad thoughts :(
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I might upgrade to Vista. That is, assuming RedHat buys all rights to present and future Microsoft products, and agrees to release them under the GPL.