Stop Microsoft
Miscellaneous => The Lounge => Topic started by: mercmannick on 7 June 2006, 20:46
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Hi
i have had a Bet with a friend of mine , who by the way is what i call pretty efficent on a Computer.
so here goes.........
i beleive that hotmail emails tht you read , or even reply to are not kept on your PC. But infact kept on "Hotmail Servers"
(yes i know they leave a link to the login page)
but he is saying i could image your hard drive load it onto a non internet pc, and i could prnt out all your hotmail emails etc etc . without accessing the internet or hacking my user pass for Hotmail.
i have
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The webpages will be kept temporarily on the harddrive (in the cache) - for at least 300 seconds ("Cache-Control: private,max-age=300" - thank you web-developer toolbar for FF). I'm not sure if most web-browsers would delete them after 300s, but if you've cleared the cache yourself then they'll be gone.
GMail uses "Cache-Control: no-cache", so it won't be cached atall.
http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec14.html#sec14.9.3
Why don't you just give your friend an image of your harddrive and see if he can print out your emails (he might get a few, but it's not possible that he'd always get them all)?
This thread should be in the lounge...
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pirate penguin
can you move this to the lounge if it needs to be there.
also im not to up on this html language.
without physically giving him this image , your saying there will not be a true answer to this ?
Thanks
Merc
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This needs to be in the moron zone IMO
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This needs to be in the moron zone IMO
SolomWarning You mean What ?
:confused:
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SolomWarning You mean What ?
:confused:
It means it should be in the moron zone, learning english could be a useful thing to try too.
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That is very kind SickemWarning,
Very good Forum To help !!!
Glad i joined :)
Merc
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Is it just me or is this guy an utter idiot?
I encode posts in ROT-26, he encodes with Shite-English :|
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He prob could get a few emails but *not* *all of them*.
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Is it just me or is this guy an utter idiot?
Well, he hasn't said anything about kmail being an awesome program yet :D
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If you live in the US, all your emails actually reside on NSA servers, M$ just prefers you to think they have them on theirs.:D
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Don't think this belongs in Moron zone. Lounge would be better as it has nothing to do with how Microsoft Operating Systems suck.
Solemn, this guy might be English as second language. You wouldn't go to a tourist who came to your country trying to speak your language sincerely yet imperfectly and criticise him, would you?
MercM. you asked webmail kind of question, not really a Microsoft help question, but based on your third post, I just would like to make sure you understand that this is not a microsoft help forum.
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MOVED TO LOUNGE: Not about Microsoft Operating systems
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That is very kind SickemWarning,
Very good Forum To help !!!
Glad i joined :)
Merc
[offtopic]...and I used to wonder what happend to all the users on MES when I came back after like 2 years later... and don't give the dude a hard time, english is obviously not his first language. :nothappy:[/offtopic]
And no, you canonot download everything from hotmail to your hard drive. Maybe with some third party program that will log you in and get everything (if it exists).
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personally i think solemnwarning is being a bit harsh.
mannick, you need to see that it isn't you that is being insulted, it is just that on this forum, there are a lot of people who come here and ask dumb questions about their microsoft software, and they fail to see that this site is an anti microsoft site, therefore it is the worst site to ask these questions on.
having said that, i think this question is perfectly valid for this forum, since it is about microsoft's data storage arrangements. There have been many good topics on this subject here, and in fact the "famous" microsoft's hidden files article is in the same vein as this question.
so, without meaning to cause offence to solemnwarning either, i think that solemn's comments were probably out of line.
it's probably just a misunderstanding.
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no problem Calum
And FYI , i am english lol
yes maybe i cant type , but hey who cares lol
i still need to resolve this issue .
can someone with whatever software is out there , have a image of a drive .
and somehow print out your hotmail emails , as if you have printed these direct from hotmail.
Bear in mind he has said that , he will have no internet or network access on the pc he will print them out on
Many Thanks
and i do not Take offence easily , (To Happy going)
Merc
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I think ye should take back that bet because there's no single answer - it depends entirely on the situation.
If you've looked at all your email very recently then sure he'll find the messages in the cache. But usually the messages wouldn't stay in the cache for long before they're removed to make room for other far more important things that should be in the cache, so most times he won't be able to get all or even most of the emails...
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piratePenguin
ok thnks
Merc
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This needs to be in the moron zone IMO
I don't see why this should be in moron zone ... what did he do that was moronic ? Is it cuz he either can't type too well or can't speak English too well ?
The English part should not be a reason ... as long as it's understandable it's fine. The can't type part ... switch to dvorak ... qwerty should have been put down long ago, the same time typewriters went.
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I bet your mails are cached on the server or something maby even on your router :)
but offline only in the program's cache
and if it is cleaned then he can not get them ...
[OFFTOPIC]whats up with every now and then some one says something about
"dvorak" ?
i can type with "qwerty" pretty well
and the way keys are mapped to my BTS(Bulgarian typewriter standard)
it is perfect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#Bulgarian
some info on the BTS/BDS and the phonetic style of layout we mostly use :)
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it sounds like the bet should be that your friend is saying that microsoft windows secretly stores all your hotmail emails without your knowledge, and you are saying this is not true.
is this the case? i don't know the answer, but i think that if the above is what you actually mean, then you and your friend need to define terms before committing money to the bet.
also, as mentioned above, even if there is no secret caching of your emails going on, it would still be possible to see all your hotmail emails if they had remained in your browser's cache since the last time you opened them all. This is normal browser behaviour, however it isn't clear from the bet if this would favour your position or your friend's. it depends whether he is alleging some kind of secret behaviour or not. if he is then i think he should lose the bet, however he also has one or two points of ambiguity in his favour, as just mentioned.
finally, if i had a hotmail account, i would be able to view it in any modern browser, on any modern system (and quite a few old ones) including freeBSD, netBSD, any consumer distros of linux, macOS, macOSX and no doubt quite a few others. This would suggest that even if your friend is right about microsoft windows doing this, then he is wrong if the PC is using some other operating software than MS windows, and most of the systems i mention above will run on a "PC" no problem at all, same as MS windows (well, your mileage may vary...)
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it sounds like the bet should be that your friend is saying that microsoft windows secretly stores all your hotmail emails without your knowledge, and you are saying this is not true.
yes calum, that is exactly true.
Merc