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Miscellaneous => The Lounge => Topic started by: cahult on 14 July 2006, 22:22
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Nice one!
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[offtopic]It really sickens me the number of people fighting for ideals that include "Thou shalt not kill." I almost collapsed when I heard Israel justifying their bombing of Beirut, just as I gagged when Hezbollah argued that it was "Allah's will" that Israel be wiped from the face of the earth. What kind of God allows this behaviour? :mad:[/offtopic]
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A very sick, demented one :D .. but thou shalt worship HIM and love HIM as HE loves you ... and thou shallt not question HIM or HE will send a beast to eat you and then send you to burn and suffer in hell for all eternity ... but HE loves you and he always needs more money ...
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i wonder if somehow there aren't some other people involved besides god. perhaps they are the people who want the money and the power, and they use their claim to a higher authority to justify their nefarious actions in the eyes and minds of the larger body of devotees.
just a possibility.
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i wonder if somehow there aren't some other people involved besides god. perhaps they are the people who want the money and the power, and they use their claim to a higher authority to justify their nefarious actions in the eyes and minds of the larger body of devotees.
just a possibility.
That's pretty much how sects work.
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[offtopic]It really sickens me the number of people fighting for ideals that include "Thou shalt not kill." I almost collapsed when I heard Israel justifying their bombing of Beirut, just as I gagged when Hezbollah argued that it was "Allah's will" that Israel be wiped from the face of the earth. What kind of God allows this behaviour? :mad:[/offtopic]
God isn't doing this shit. God didn't tell people to do this shit. People are doing it all by themselves. The people do it. It's their choice. What kind of God allows this behavior? Well, it's the same one that allows free will and free choice.
You don't like free will and free choice? Well, that isn't your call. Sorry, you were not around at the start of the universe so you don't get a vote. Even if you were around then, God outranks you so you still don't get a vote.
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That's right God outranks you so shut up and deal with it ... and worship Him while you're at it ...
You are nothing, God is everything ...
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That's right God outranks you so shut up and deal with it ... and worship Him while you're at it ...
You are nothing, God is everything ...
God outranks you, yes. Shut up and deal with it, yes.
Wondering about why God allows free will is as pointless as whining about why God allows death, or why we have to eat instead of photosynthesisizing food from the sun. That's the way the universe is put together. Get a helmet and deal with it.
Worship Him, your choice. You have free will.
"You are nothing, God is everything" well, to be blunt, that shows misunderstanding and prejudice.
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Well this shows why it's pointless to argue about religion ... no one will change sides, not with mere words ... everyone has their own point of view and they will stick with it to the end, arguing about it only pisses people off.
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that is unfortunately true, which is why it makes it so easy to start a war about religion. for some reason, it's harder to start a war over things like which side you part your hair on or what kind of jam is best, although to be fair there have been some silly reasons for war over the years. all i'm saying is that people will have a war if they want whatever the circumstances, but religion is a nice easy scapegoat to use since everybody gets all angry about it very quickly (for some reason)
i tend to agree with obrien actually, although i think it's interesting that others have picked out the parts of what he said that could be misunderstood, and then deliberately misunderstood them! i apologise if it was genuine accidental misunderstanding, but it doesn't look like it to me. it seems to me as though it is taken to be fair play to misunderstand somebody just because we're talking about religion! bizarre!
edit/ps: now i don't want this to be some accusation but i just noticed that obrien's icon is hal jordan. you know about him? for thirty years he was earth's green lantern, the most revered member of the green lantern corps throughout the entire universe, but then in the nineties he decided that the world was fucked and that he would destroy everything with his power ring, then travel back to the big bang and take a hand in recreating the universe in his image (ie: no wars, no death, no suffering etc). All the other superheroes stopped him, but not before he had murdered many (including most of the original justice society). i just thought it was ironic that hal jordan is the icon for mobrien, when we're talking about what we're talking about, that's all!
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Irony, yes. Not something I had thought about. Very insightful.
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i wonder if you are being sarcastic?
i really was trying to be ironic by the way! i don't actually want you to think i think you're a fascist dictator or anything!
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i wonder if you are being sarcastic?
i really was trying to be ironic by the way! i don't actually want you to think i think you're a fascist dictator or anything!
No, I'm being totally sincere :( You just got me so wrapped up in thought that I dashed off a quick reply, which had no sarcasm intended. :( I'm sorry if it came off any other way than it was intended.
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Several choices here...
Believe or don't
Live it or don't
speak it or don't
it's all about choice. To do or not do...or even to refuse to choose. I never understood why it's so debateable. I'm a christian. However, I do not attempt to make others believe or see as I do. I simply stick to my guns. My own beliefs, values and morals guide me based on my understanding. It's not really that hard.
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My problem, near as I can figure, is that all these people "fighting for their God" are violating the single most sacred Commandment - the Bible lists it first, and I wouldn't doubt that other doctrines do the same - that "thou shalt not murder." I won't even get into distinctions between "murder" and "mercy killing" but the whole rationale behind "he killed him, so I'll kill him" and the endless cycle of bloodshed for ideals that include the prohibition of murder seems hypocritical to me. The whole thing just makes me sick to my stomach.
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I'm a christian. However, I do not attempt to make others believe or see as I do. I simply stick to my guns. My own beliefs, values and morals guide me based on my understanding. It's not really that hard.
According to the bible and accepted church dogma (Protestant and Roman Catholic alike), this is unacceptable behavior. The bible commands that you evangelize. And in certain dark circles, it is believed that you will go to hell, not for your sins, but for my sins, since you haven't tried to save me. Sad but true.
There's nothing wrong with with faith or religion, as long as you keep it to yourself. It's when you start pushing it on others that it becomes a burden.
Lately, I've been getting the feeling that a lot of people would like to see the US become a secular Christian state. Kinda like Iran. I really don't see that being a good thing.
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According to the bible and accepted church dogma (Protestant and Roman Catholic alike), this is unacceptable behavior. The bible commands that you evangelize. And in certain dark circles, it is believed that you will go to hell, not for your sins, but for my sins, since you haven't tried to save me. Sad but true.
Interesting. Any biblical references?
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Interesting. Any biblical references?
No. I would probably catch fire if I touched a bible!
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No. I would probably catch fire if I touched a bible!
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Sigged (is that alright with you ?) :)
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My problem, near as I can figure, is that all these people "fighting for their God" are violating the single most sacred Commandment - the Bible lists it first, and I wouldn't doubt that other doctrines do the same - that "thou shalt not murder." I won't even get into distinctions between "murder" and "mercy killing" but the whole rationale behind "he killed him, so I'll kill him" and the endless cycle of bloodshed for ideals that include the prohibition of murder seems hypocritical to me. The whole thing just makes me sick to my stomach.
To me religion is hypocrysy ... and yes it makes me sick to my stomach. But, I don't like dwelling on the subject ... it depresses me :( ... sorry
Lately, I've been getting the feeling that a lot of people would like to see the US become a secular Christian state. Kinda like Iran. I really don't see that being a good thing.
If it does (and there's a reasonable chance it might) ... then I'm going away from here ... far far away ... where ? I dunno yet, I'll think about it
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I'm considering Bulgaria if things go south - they sound like they've all the makings of a proper technocracy if someone would liberally apply the Scalpel of Logic(tm).
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Sigged (is that alright with you ?) :)
You could at least greenlight me!:D
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It really sickens me the number of people fighting for ideals that include "Thou shalt not kill." I almost collapsed when I heard Israel justifying their bombing of Beirut, just as I gagged when Hezbollah argued that it was "Allah's will" that Israel be wiped from the face of the earth. What kind of God allows this behaviour?
heehee, quaint comments. You'd probably change your mind if your neighborhood was being missiled and just generally attacked for decades.
Regardless though, I'm not on anyone's side, this is not my business. But the facts are Israel is not targetting civilians for death, while their enemies do that as their first resort. I don't see hezbollah throwing pamphlets to warm civilians before the real missiles. If civilians are dying blame the attackers going out of their way to use them as shields.
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Remember that this Israel-Hezbollad thing is just between two governments .... I've spoken to people (relatives) from those areas and they told me the civilians there (Israelis and Palestinians) have no quarrel whatsoever, they would like to live in peace, they consider one another neighbors. It's the two bloody governmental powers that constanly fight each other.
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I wonder if other people have the sandbox-analogy to explain what is happening down there.
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There's nothing wrong with with faith or religion, as long as you keep it to yourself. It's when you start pushing it on others that it becomes a burden.
Oddly enough...that's my opinion towards homosexuality...but when it comes to that, for some reason it's wrong and I'm a sick, prjudiced, horrible homophobic person for fealing that way...
Even more oddly enough, it's not that at all...If you're a man, I don't want to know you enjoy sucking on penis or wiping poo off your dangler...the thought alone disgusts me...
Why is that any worse? It's a strange dichotic world we live in...
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Oddly enough...that's my opinion towards homosexuality...but when it comes to that, for some reason it's wrong and I'm a sick, prjudiced, horrible homophobic person for fealing that way...
Even more oddly enough, it's not that at all...If you're a man, I don't want to know you enjoy sucking on penis or wiping poo off your dangler...the thought alone disgusts me...
Why is that any worse? It's a strange dichotic world we live in...
I'd have to agree ... I usually try to avoid the subject cuz it's pretty fucking disgusting ... and why do they call it homophobic ? is it a phobia ? why not call it AIDSphobic ? the majority of gay people have AIDS due to multiple safety reasons concerning their practices
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Only if they're stupid and don't take precautions.
Loads of women take it up the back passage too, you know. I've just come back from a holiday in Grt Yarmouth and there was a hen party in one of the night clubs. The women were all walking around saying "up the bum no babies", but you can still get AIDs so you still need condoms.
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why not call it AIDSphobic ? the majority of gay people have AIDS due to multiple safety reasons concerning their practices
You are somewhat uneducated, kid. Whatever percentage of homosexuals who are HIV+, it ain't a majority. And just so you know, it is possible for an HIV+ person to have sex without infecting his/her partner, if it is done safely. Now, the gay community will be the first to admit that they don't have the greatest track record of safety. But that doesn't mean that gay sex will give you AIDS. That's like saying that masturbating will give you hairy palms.
btw, to everyone, gay men probably don't even want you. And even if they did, they probably wouldn't whip out their cocks on a city bus. That's not normal human behavior. Occasionally, you will find some nutjob making passes at you, but he's only slightly different than the insecure jackass that tries to grab every woman's ass on the streets - this kind of behavior is insulting and vile no matter who it comes from.
I find pineapple on pizza to be incredibly gross and disgusting, so do you know what I do? I don't eat it. And if someone offers it to me, I say "no thanks". See how easy it is to get along with your fellow citizens?
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And just so you know, it is possible for an HIV+ person to have sex without infecting his/her partner, if it is done safely.
Yes, I agree ... that's the problem ... no contaception needed, no safe-sex needed ... right ? After all who's gonna get pregnant ?
I dunno what the statistics are ... but I've seen many and they all favor what I just said (gay = much higher chance of getting and having HIV/AIDS due to no safe sex practices).
I suppose you're right about the rest ... just cuz it disgusts me doesn't mean it should be banned ... does it ? Why is public nudity banned ?
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Yes, I agree ... that's the problem ... no contaception needed, no safe-sex needed ... right ? After all who's gonna get pregnant ?
Not sure if you're getting this - the prevention of pregnancy is only one of the many uses of the condom. Prevention of STDs is another. Now, for straight boys and girls, they mostly use condoms so the girl doesn't get pregnant (they probably should worry more about diseases, but they don't). Gay guys, they use condoms so they don't get diseases. But sometimes they don't, and that's the problem.
I dunno what the statistics are ... but I've seen many and they all favor what I just said (gay = much higher chance of getting and having HIV/AIDS due to no safe sex practices).
According to Dan Savage (newspaper advice columnist and fag), gay people have more sex with more partners than straight people on average, moving them into a higher risk category. Therefore, they have to be a lot more conscious about the safety factor. So you're right, but I wanted to make sure you understood why you were right. Read the intro to his book ("Savage Love") to find out why gay people supposedly have more sex than straight people.
I suppose you're right about the rest ... just cuz it disgusts me doesn't mean it should be banned ... does it ? Why is public nudity banned ?
I'm sure it was originally a religious right thing, designed to protect young eyes from lascivious thoughts. But by now it is ingrained into everyone's head that it just aint right. I don't think there's anything wrong with nudity or the naked body, but I can't imagine going to McDonald's and having the cashier be naked. Hell, that might even upset me. But if everyone was doing it, it would seem more normal.
While I was in Seychelles, I saw a lot of naked European women (German and English, mostly) at the beach (I should mention that they were fully clothed when not at the beach). It was interesting for about a minute that they were naked, but then it became boring rather quickly. And then when I was in India, I saw disgustingly poor adults and children of all ages bathing naked in the street. This kind of grinding poverty is not "interesting" even for a second - it's sickening. So there's 2 cases of public nudity. In both instances, the nude people didn't give a rat's ass, and it had nothing to do with sexuality, and everything to do with context.