Stop Microsoft
All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Software => Topic started by: Bazoukas on 21 October 2002, 22:46
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Here is some counterattack.
1) Open Source.
Open Source gives the flexibility to fix things.
2) Rapid Development.
Please I beg anyone in here to show me a faster rapid development pace than Linux has. You have programs being updated and improved all the time. MS has yet to fix bugs and security issues that are 3 years old.
3) Apps for everything.
You dont need to spend thousands of dollars by byuing SW such as DVD app, CD copier app, Compilers, Antivirus, Firewalls, Graphics editing apps, Office apps. Sure you can obtain the same SW with MS but a)You have to have a shitload of money or b) Use allmighty P2P networks and Warez the shit out of everything.
As I said before people are morons. When it comes to Fucking morons, they can simple fade and die away for all I care. We will be better off as a society with out them.If they could they would have a magic button that even fixes their Sexual problems to raising their kids.
Its up to the community to educate the people that dont know any better and the people who dont know any better but want to learn.
The only thing I can see where MS has the edge is when installing programs. And yeah I agree installing new SW can be a pain in the ass sometimes. But thats nothing that the Linux community wont soon fix. And with the plethora of apps that Distros come with, you dont need to install new SW very often.
So please, to whom ever comes here trying to convience us that MS is better, save your horseshit and have a cup of STFU, or come with some STRONG valid points.
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Originally posted by bazoukas:
Here is some counterattack.
1) Open Source.
Open Source gives the flexibility to fix things.
2) Rapid Development.
Please I beg anyone in here to show me a faster rapid development pace than Linux has. You have programs being updated and improved all the time. MS has yet to fix bugs and security issues that are 3 years old.
3) Apps for everything.
You dont need to spend thousands of dollars by byuing SW such as DVD app, CD copier app, Compilers, Antivirus, Firewalls, Graphics editing apps, Office apps. Sure you can obtain the same SW with MS but a)You have to have a shitload of money or b) Use allmighty P2P networks and Warez the shit out of everything.
As I said before people are morons. When it comes to Fucking morons, they can simple fade and die away for all I care. We will be better off as a society with out them.If they could they would have a magic button that even fixes their Sexual problems to raising their kids.
Its up to the community to educate the people that dont know any better and the people who dont know any better but want to learn.
The only thing I can see where MS has the edge is when installing programs. And yeah I agree installing new SW can be a pain in the ass sometimes. But thats nothing that the Linux community wont soon fix. And with the plethora of apps that Distros come with, you dont need to install new SW very often.
So please, to whom ever comes here trying to convience us that MS is better, save your horseshit and have a cup of STFU, or come with some STRONG valid points.
Ha, I think I'm going to like the future of MS OSes. After seeing the Alpha screenshots of the upcoming Longhorn I know it is going to be a great OS. BTW, it is still in Alpha...it will only get better and better as the Beta testing period goes on. I can't wait until it reaches RTM. (http://smile.gif)
Longhorn is going to blow other OSes(Linux especially) out of the water. Palladium hardware will be hitting the shelves soon. ;P
Some Longhorn screenshots.
http://www.xbetas.com/content/images/NEW!.jpg (http://www.xbetas.com/content/images/NEW!.jpg)
http://www.xs4all.nl/~binkbv/lh/folder1.gif (http://www.xs4all.nl/~binkbv/lh/folder1.gif)
http://www.xs4all.nl/~binkbv/lh/my-hardware2.gif (http://www.xs4all.nl/~binkbv/lh/my-hardware2.gif)
http://www.xs4all.nl/~binkbv/lh/mymusic.gif (http://www.xs4all.nl/~binkbv/lh/mymusic.gif)
http://www.xs4all.nl/~binkbv/lh/my-pics.gif (http://www.xs4all.nl/~binkbv/lh/my-pics.gif)
(from the screenshots I see the person is using the I815 chipset w/either a PIII or Celeron coppermine...so that means Longhorn will work on non Palladium hardware).
<---waits patiently on IRC for a leak of this Alpha. :D
I want to see some Linux screenies that even come close to rivaling Longhorns' good looks. ;P
[ October 21, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
Ha, I think I'm going to like the future of MS OSes. After seeing the Alpha screenshots of the upcoming Longhorn I know it is going to be a great OS. BTW, it is still in Alpha...it will only get better and better as the Beta testing period goes on. I can't wait until it reaches RTM. (http://smile.gif)
Typical Microsoft mentality. Thinking GUI=OS. You can't tell a blasted thing about an "OS" from screenshots. All I see is more Fisher Price looking crap. Are they giving this stuff out for free? Do they include the source code? Until they do, not interested.
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That doesn't look like Fisher Price at all(Luna was fisher price). From my good experiences with NT, I doubt that NT 6 is going to disappoint me(or the millions of other satisfied NT/XP users). Who gives a fuck if it is free or not, most working people can afford to shell out a little money for a good OS. Microsoft doesn't stay in business by giving away thier shit for free. I know that if there is no activation in Longhorn I'll have no problem with buying a legit copy. Also, who gives a fuck about them not giving out thier source code? That would be a huge mstake because then Open Source could actually have a chance of being a viable alternative w/that source code. MS doesn't need people and other companies ripping off thier code.
Windows just keeps getting better and better.
[ October 21, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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I guess it depends, to me it looks just as Fisher price as XP. But then I could care less about "looks", I care about "acts". And I don't want to have the source to "rip them off". I want to have the source to make sure "they don't rip me off" and I can customize it to my liking, not theirs.
[ October 21, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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Is it just me or do those pics look like the XP Fisher Price theme combined with KDE3 (Bluecurve)?
(http://www.akgames.net:8000/Downloads/Files/Personal/FisherPriceXPTrans.png)
[ October 21, 2002: Message edited by: The_Muffin_Man/B0b ]
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Well, all other incarnations of NT have been very good for me(in the way they act). I was satisfied with Win2K and its' ugly Win9x looking GUI because it was rock stable and it performed very well. XP didn't change the act factor for me(it performs well and is stable for me also)...only it looks better(No I don't use Luna, I choose from non MS themes that I like and if I had the time I could make my own theme) and it has much better support for Legacy stuff.
I don't imagine that Longhorn is going to be worse than XP...It will be better(in looks, speed, stability and Legacy Support).
Palladium is going to give Open Source a nice kick in the ass..I can see it now. Hell, Linux is having problems with competing with Windows on non-Palladium hardware that can actually run Linux..so what makes you think the magical under 1% userbase of Linux is going to increase when systems that Linux won't run on hit the air?
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Whataloadyshite ! Fisher Price right enough.
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How do you know the magic Linux userbase is not at 10%? There's no way to prove it. And like I said, until they give me the source code so I can make sure they are not "ripping me off" or "spying" on me. And so I can customize the software to work how "I" want it to work, and not the other way around, I am not interested in it.
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I have a question, in this picture:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~binkbv/lh/my-hardware2.gif (http://www.xs4all.nl/~binkbv/lh/my-hardware2.gif)
Why is "windows update" listed under hardware tasks? Isn't that a software task, or does it mean it will send a MS employee over to your house to upgrade your fritz chip?
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Zombie, screens are good to show off window managers/desktop enviroments/GUI's. Linux is none of those. Nuff said.
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Originally posted by The_Muffin_Man/B0b:
Is it just me or do those pics look like the XP Fisher Price theme combined with KDE3 (Bluecurve)?
(http://www.akgames.net:8000/Downloads/Files/Personal/FisherPriceXP.png)
Heh, that looks nothing like KDE3. I have used KDE3 before and I must say that I think it looks like crap and is crap. It has no Window background design options, it doesn't have colorful quick task access buttons on the side of the Windows(that can be disabled in Windows if you don't like it), etc.
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Originally posted by Windows XP User #5225982375:
I have a question, in this picture:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~binkbv/lh/my-hardware2.gif (http://www.xs4all.nl/~binkbv/lh/my-hardware2.gif)
Why is "windows update" listed under hardware tasks? Isn't that a software task, or does it mean it will send a MS employee over to your house to upgrade your fritz chip?
IT is still an Alpha build. Alpha means it is far from being completed. I'm sure MS will have little stuff like that ironed out before it even hits Release Canidate status.
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You've used the "Bluecurve" theme? I doubt it. And unlike Windows, you have "complete" custimizability when you have the source code. Since when does KDE not have the ability to custimize Window backgrounds?
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Oh my looks like M$ stuck there tumb up there ass with this one. it look like xp for kids :rolleyes:
Im lucky im moving to mandrake 9 as soon as i get my ADSL (http://smile.gif)
ps : this "new" xp ....loghorn what ever.....
looks like someone got stile xp and had a kiddie fild day.. could these pics be fakes ?
[ October 21, 2002: Message edited by: M$sucks55 ]
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Concerning Linux vs Windows, all I can say is I know Linux will always be around, regardless of how popular it is. Even if every Linux company in the world went under, Linux development would continue. I can't say that with certainty about Microsoft.
Concerning your comments about why Linux will always be "King," first of all king in what way? On the server? Maybe so, but what about for home/desktop users? I have to admit you are right about open source producing software extremely fast. Linux and its apps have sprung up apparently overnight. However, a lot of Linux apps are buggy and/or incomplete, but the popular ones usually don't stay this way for long. Linux developers also seem to have a rule where they make a x.0 release as buggy as possible.
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Originally posted by void main:
You've used the "Bluecurve" theme? I doubt it. And unlike Windows, you have "complete" custimizability when you have the source code. Since when does KDE not have the ability to custimize Window backgrounds?
I couldn't get it to customive the Window backrounds( a.k.a put in background picture kinda like a desktop wallpaper). If the option is available please dotell how to use it.
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And Microsoft appears to have a policy of making every release as buggy as possible. If they didn't there would be no need to upgrade. (http://smile.gif)
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Posted by Zombie9920:
Heh, that looks nothing like KDE3. I have used KDE3 before and I must say that I think it looks like crap and is crap. It has no Window background design options, it doesn't have colorful quick task access buttons on the side of the Windows(that can be disabled in Windows if you don't like it), etc.
Hey, if there's one thing I hate about KDE it's the fact that it has TOO many features. I prefer a minimal GUI that doesn't get in my way and will let me Just Work(tm) I do most of my "configurating" in Linux using the console anyway; it's faster, I'm sorry to say. (I'm sure void main would agree with me)
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Originally posted by M$sucks55:
Oh my looks like M$ stuck there tumb up there ass with this one. it look like xp for kids :rolleyes:
Im lucky im moving to mandrake 9 as soon as i get my ADSL (http://smile.gif)
ps : this "new" xp ....loghorn what ever.....
looks like someone got stile xp and had a kiddie fild day.. could these pics be fakes ?
[ October 21, 2002: Message edited by: M$sucks55 ]
I still don't see how you guys think that look like fisher price. There are no candy colored window buttons, there is no candy colored looking start button(like XP Lunas' start button) and the color of the interface isn't a solid candy color.
The Longhorn look seems to be professional looking(Like the Blackcomb Pro 1.1 VS I'm currently using right now). You guys just can't stand to know that Windows is kicking the crap out of Linux and will continue to do so(it will actually kick more crap out of Linux after Palladium hardware becomes the standard in new computers).
Umm, no those aren't fakes buddy. I've seen probably 35 differnt screenies of Longhorn Alpha that hit the MSBetas' site recently form alot of differnt people and they all look consistent to every other screenie.
BTW, XP doesn't have the capabilites to display My Pictures and My Music the way it is displayed in the screenies I provided. There is no way to make XP display those folders like that either..so no, they aren't fakes that were done with StylesXP.
[ October 21, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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And Microsoft appears to have a policy of making every release as buggy as possible. If they didn't there would be no need to upgrade.
Which versions of Windows are you talking about? Microsoft, unlike Linux, has to get it right for major releases. Linux developers are like "eh, who cares if there are a few bugs, we'll fix it down the road." Well, at least you don't have to pay for Linux bugfixes, unlike with Microsoft. (Win 98 was a bugfix for 95 and we all know it)
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Originally posted by Windows XP User #5225982375:
Hey, if there's one thing I hate about KDE it's the fact that it has TOO many features. I prefer a minimal GUI that doesn't get in my way and will let me Just Work(tm) I do most of my "configurating" in Linux using the console anyway; it's faster, I'm sorry to say. (I'm sure void main would agree with me)
Yes, the Konsole is a much faster and more profficiant way of using Linux. I've said that in previous posts. IT isn't much of a surprise though considering Linux is a command line OS. The Window Managers are to Linux what Win 3.1 was to DOS.
NT OSes on the other hand are fully GUI and do not depend on an ancient command line OS. The NT GUI will always be better than Window Managers for Linux simply because the OS *is* a GUI.
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Originally posted by Windows XP User #5225982375:
Which versions of Windows are you talking about? Microsoft, unlike Linux, has to get it right for major releases. Linux developers are like "eh, who cares if there are a few bugs, we'll fix it down the road." Well, at least you don't have to pay for Linux bugfixes, unlike with Microsoft. (Win 98 was a bugfix for 95 and we all know it)
That is right. As I said, by time Longhorn hits RC-1 status most of the bugs will be ironed out. Every bug that is discovered by time it hits RTM will be fixed. Microsoft has the resources to fix thier software...with Linux you have to depend on geeks who have hardly nothing when it comes to resources. Open Source software will always be buggy and incomplete(like you already said) because of the lack of funds and resources.
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
I couldn't get it to customive the Window backrounds( a.k.a put in background picture kinda like a desktop wallpaper). If the option is available please dotell how to use it.
In the Konqueror file manager you can set the background to whatever you want by clicking "View->Background Image". You can set background images in the console Windows to whatever you want. You can set the background for the panels/menus including alpha blending/transparency.
I don't believe there is a way to set the background of every application Window to a specific image but you can certainly set it to a color if that is what you mean. And of course you could always modify the source to add that feature if you wanted it, nobody must want it.
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Okay, I agree with all... there's still a lot of Fisher Price left, but there's also a painful new appearance.
XP User... you mentioned you like having a simple UI... why are you still with Windows? Check out Mac OS X. It's simple. The file manager (Finder) doesn't try to be the entire OS, only a file manager. Looking at those Longhorn screenies made my head swim with the sheer amount of bullshit that's inside a "folder" window. Does anybody else remember when Windows actually put the contents of a folder inside a folder window?
What's with the paper flat blue window decorations, but then having the Aqua rip-off command buttons... oh, and the scrollbars? They look like OS/2 Warp 4.
Longhorn does not contain a new "UI", nor did XP. They had a new appearance for the WinMe UI, which was just Win2K with a few refinements. Win2K was simply Win98 perfected. 98 was just 95 but with crappy IE windows in place of folder windows. The meat and potatoes (cheesy Southern U.S. phrase =^) of the interface are the same. They didn't really improve their lackluster interface... they only made it look gaudy.
Apple's Aqua looks like glass and translucent plastic, and designed to match the appearance of their hardware for the most part. XP is brightly colored styrene plastic with big, easy-to grab titlebars and gimmicky looking icons and curvy, molded gradients, made to look like... fisher price toys.
So, MS copies Apple by creating a new appearance to match their hardware. Does that mean that Windows PCs are fisher price toys? :D
Oh, and someone, zombie I think, commented that Longhorn's WM makes it look more "professional"... if I hear someone use the word professional in reference to how something looks again, I swear, I'm gonna walk into an office building, accost people and make them wear hawaiian shirts, shorts, and nikes.
Does the bidness world care so much about the "professional image" that they now worry what the window manager of the OS running on their computers looks like?
Time for a post in the Lounge!
[ October 21, 2002: Message edited by: The Jimmy James / Bob ]
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Originally posted by Windows XP User #5225982375:
Concerning Linux vs Windows, all I can say is I know Linux will always be around, regardless of how popular it is. Even if every Linux company in the world went under, Linux development would continue. I can't say that with certainty about Microsoft.
Concerning your comments about why Linux will always be "King," first of all king in what way? On the server? Maybe so, but what about for home/desktop users? I have to admit you are right about open source producing software extremely fast. Linux and its apps have sprung up apparently overnight. However, a lot of Linux apps are buggy and/or incomplete, but the popular ones usually don't stay this way for long. Linux developers also seem to have a rule where they make a x.0 release as buggy as possible.
Look. I am majoring in Computer Programing.
As I said, installing Software sometimes can be a pain in the ass but its nothing to it. If you dont wanna Download the apps, you can order them for $10 over the net on a CD and no fuss. It sure beats spending $300 for an office app when you can have Open Office.
I am a RedHat user. And there are few programs that basically take a shit on me.
Quanta(Html editor). But i can use Anjuta, Vim, or a plain txt editor.
Koffice is a piece of shit. No realy, its a Major pile of shit. Even Abi is better. But you have Open Office.
So far those are the apps that take a shit on me.
But where it matters it is User Friendly.
Want an example? With out knowing shit about Networking I managed to fire up my machine as a server running Apache in just 2 days. Talk about an ego boost. And I am using Linux for about 3 months. So am still a major ass ignorant Linux noob.
And please remember I was an avid Win user. As times goes by Linux will continue to be polished and smooth out whatever rough edges it has. Its just a matter of time.
There are some rough edges, but where it realy counts Linux is smooth like a babys ass.
I dont wish for MS to go broke. Am sure that their programers are being kept down by management and they cant do their own thing and be as creative as they wanna be.
But if MS keeps pushing and pushing like it does (like IBM did back in the day), well then, I hope it goes down in flames.
Maybe they wont go down in flames, but i believe and I hope so, that MS will be marginalized as IBM was.
As they say in Greece.
Palies mou dokses.
Good old Glory days.
[ October 21, 2002: Message edited by: bazoukas ]
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
Ha, I think I'm going to like the future of MS OSes. After seeing the Alpha screenshots of the upcoming Longhorn I know it is going to be a great OS. BTW, it is still in Alpha...it will only get better and better as the Beta testing period goes on. I can't wait until it reaches RTM. (http://smile.gif)
Longhorn is going to blow other OSes(Linux especially) out of the water. Palladium hardware will be hitting the shelves soon. ;P
Some Longhorn screenshots.
http://www.xbetas.com/content/images/NEW!.jpg (http://www.xbetas.com/content/images/NEW!.jpg)
http://www.xs4all.nl/~binkbv/lh/folder1.gif (http://www.xs4all.nl/~binkbv/lh/folder1.gif)
http://www.xs4all.nl/~binkbv/lh/my-hardware2.gif (http://www.xs4all.nl/~binkbv/lh/my-hardware2.gif)
http://www.xs4all.nl/~binkbv/lh/mymusic.gif (http://www.xs4all.nl/~binkbv/lh/mymusic.gif)
http://www.xs4all.nl/~binkbv/lh/my-pics.gif (http://www.xs4all.nl/~binkbv/lh/my-pics.gif)
(from the screenshots I see the person is using the I815 chipset w/either a PIII or Celeron coppermine...so that means Longhorn will work on non Palladium hardware).
<---waits patiently on IRC for a leak of this Alpha. :D
I want to see some Linux screenies that even come close to rivaling Longhorns' good looks. ;P
[ October 21, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
Personally, I'm not worried about longhorn. I won't use it or palladium so why worry? Microsoft will be forced to give out enough information to people who want to make their own operating system to work with the palladium hardware. If not then it is an undefeatable monopoly which is illegal, and will of course be fixed for us mac and linux folk. Palladium will not destroy linux, linux will probably incorporate the abilities for palladium hardware, and optionally palladium security.
What the hell can you tell from the images? The images look exactly like windows xp to me, i don't see any difference in there...
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as VoidMan said. Some people confuse GUI with OS.
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
Microsoft doesn't stay in business by giving away thier shit for free.
[ October 21, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
very true. They make money by charging for their shit.
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Originally posted by Stryker:
What the hell can you tell from the images? The images look exactly like windows xp to me, i don't see any difference in there...
The main difference from seeing screenshots is the looks. I'm sure Longhorn will be more stable and faster than XP which is already fast and stable..plus I'm sure Longhorn will have a much larger built-in driver database(for those who don't like installing drivers).
Example of difference in looks.
XP's My Music Folder(taken from my system)
http://www.ticz.com/homes/users/waltw/XPmymusic.jpg (http://www.ticz.com/homes/users/waltw/XPmymusic.jpg)
Longhorn's My Music Folder
http://www.xs4all.nl/~binkbv/lh/mymusic.gif (http://www.xs4all.nl/~binkbv/lh/mymusic.gif)
See how much better it looks, also notice how the side bar(for easy access to common tasks) is colorful and seemlesly blends in with the rest of the Window. It just looks nicer. The Display Properties looks alot nicer than the display properties in XP(and other older versions of Windows). The My Pictures folder looks better and so does the rest of the stuff in Longhorn so far.
When Longhorn goes gold I bet it will look completely different than it does now in the Alpha stage. It will probably look really kick ass when it is final.
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Of course it's going to be faster because you're going to have to buy a new computer before you'll even be able to run it. Run a copy of Win98 on that Intel 4.8GHz and see how fast it runs.
And about those stupid "My Music" folders and the like. They should be labeled "M$ Music" because with Microsoft OSs, you don't own crap. I have a "My Operating System" folder on my system, something Microsoft will never have.
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
The main difference from seeing screenshots is the looks. I'm sure Longhorn will be more stable and faster than XP which is already fast and stable..plus I'm sure Longhorn will have a much larger built-in driver database(for those who don't like installing drivers).
Example of difference in looks.
XP's My Music Folder(taken from my system)
http://www.ticz.com/homes/users/waltw/XPmymusic.jpg (http://www.ticz.com/homes/users/waltw/XPmymusic.jpg)
Longhorn's My Music Folder
http://www.xs4all.nl/~binkbv/lh/mymusic.gif (http://www.xs4all.nl/~binkbv/lh/mymusic.gif)
See how much better it looks, also notice how the side bar(for easy access to common tasks) is colorful and seemlesly blends in with the rest of the Window. It just looks nicer. The Display Properties looks alot nicer than the display properties in XP(and other older versions of Windows). The My Pictures folder looks better and so does the rest of the stuff in Longhorn so far.
When Longhorn goes gold I bet it will look completely different than it does now in the Alpha stage. It will probably look really kick ass when it is final.
I'm sure Longhorn will force you to play by the MPAA/RIAA's rules to. That IS why its being made isn't it? I don't really care how Longhorn looks, LINUX can be set to look however you want it to. You can completely control how the desktop looks. And no, longhorn will not be more stable than XP, M$'s goal with this is not to bring you a better computing experience, its only to control you more, even at the expense of what could be a better running system. M$ realized that they don't need to make their OS any more stable. All they have to do is say that its more stable and advertize it to death and many people
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
I'm sure Longhorn will be more stable and faster than XP which is already fast and stable.
will believe it no matter how unreliable it is.
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lol.....look how different the "My Music" folder looks. That tells you everything about an OS.....lol. Give me a break. Longhorn isnt due out for a few years and you think linux folks will be sitting still that whole time? If you havent noticed, new versions of linux distros come out all the time, with constant improvements on security, ease of use, and graphical user interface. KDE already has transparent menus and rounded windows, and so much more. Just remember that even if microsoft does come out with something in the gui that is really cool, nothing will stop us from copying it, and then giving it away for free......lol
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wow. i can hardly wait for that my music folder. (lie mode off)
? who cares about how some folder looks? 'My Music'? why not call it /home/zombie9920/mp3s/ ? OH YES! i forgot, you'll not be able to play mp3s with the next release of windows... oh well, that'll save you a bit of hard drive space.
also, i took a look at the new 'My Music folder, and apparently it looks like this: quote:
The page cannot be found
The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.
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Please try the following:
If you typed the page address in the Address bar, make sure that it is spelled correctly.
Open the www.xs4all.nl (http://www.xs4all.nl) home page, and then look for links to the information you want.
Click the Back button to try another link.
Click Search to look for information on the Internet.
HTTP 404 - File not found
i must say i'm really impressed with how it looks...
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Someone please explain to me why XP has Windows Media Player integrated into a folder. Give me a fucking break. The folder probably has IE integrated into it as well. Oh and dont forget that solitare is now an integral part of the OS and can not be removed.
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If Longhorn has this RIAA crap, I will probably not pir8 it and just stick with XP as my dual boot windows. Of course, this RIAA crap could be very shoddily implemented, and removable by a decent cracker. Isn't that illegal under the DMCA to remove RIAA stuff from a future OS? Well I live in Canada anyways, and it's very unlikely RIAA will charge the end user. Corps and governments find it easier(and safer) to attack at the source.
Did you know that Longhorn is named after a bar in Whistler which is in BC? Obviously Microsoft likes skiing and realizes BC r0x0rs. Should I be honored or disgusted at their precense though? Perhaps trips to the Vancouver weed dealers(and consumption of their purchase) gave them the bright idea to make higher quality wind0ze to compete with Linux. See, pot saved Microsoft!(it's true, you telling me you woulden't try a d00bie on frequent trips to and from BC?!)
I used to be sold on the merits of making massive profits(did you know that the Redhat founder has like 450 million dollars in Redhat stocks?) as "just how life works". Then I was converted. Now I recognize how great Linux is. To people who haven't mastered it yet, it seems over-hyped. I have hardly even became competent with it, yet I realize that having a hard time with Linux is actually the user's fault. Sounds like an MS thing to say? MS says that your system sucking ass is YOUR FAULT. I say Linux not doing everything you want exactly how want, now that is YOUR FAULT(thus, hit the Linux books to learn). Linux is more then willing to back you up with stability and such.
When you look at the principles of Open source, Free software, Linux's history etc. You start to realize just how wonderful an operating system built on these ideals must be. That's why it's important to stick with it.
Oh and Redhat8 is cool enough that I now proclaim it... PIMPHAT 8! It has been redeemed.
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Heh, I just watched the Longhorn preview video made by one of the few lucky people who has Longhorn(the guy is a member of Winbeta)...It looks nothing like XP. I'm still waiting on this Alpha to leak. Screw downloadig 3 680MB+ Linux ISO's when there will be 1 520MB ISO of a better OS(Longhorn) available soon. ;P
For those who want to see the Longhorn video you can get it at
http://www.fileconnect.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2514&mode=flat&order=0&thold=0 (http://www.fileconnect.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2514&mode=flat&order=0&thold=0) . You must have the DivX 5.02 codec installed on your system to watch the video(you can download the Codec for free at http://www.divx.com (http://www.divx.com) and it is available for MacOS, Linux and Windows platforms).
[ October 23, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Zombie, you are one sick individual. You should seek professional help as soon as possible. You've obviously been brain washed.
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Originally posted by void main:
Zombie, you are one sick individual. You should seek professional help as soon as possible. You've obviously been brain washed.
Nope, I'm not brainwashed. I just know a bettor *looking* OS when I see it. Not only does Longhorn look better than Linux, but it will have the nice benefit of compatability w/all Win32 apps and games(unlike Linux). ;P
(EDIT)I also don't want to forget to mention that the better looking, more compatible OS is also smaller in size than the other OS.
[ October 23, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
Nope, I'm not brainwashed. I just know a bettor *looking* OS when I see it. Not only does Longhorn look better than Linux, but it will have the nice benefit of compatability w/all Win32 apps and games(unlike Linux). ;P
(EDIT)I also don't want to forget to mention that the better looking, more compatible OS is also smaller in size than the other OS.
I suppose looks are a personal preference, and one I happen to disagree with you about. You only have one choice of GUI looks/operation with Windows if you don't like it you can change themes/skins but that's as far as you can go. You can't change the GUI. On Linux you have many choices of GUIs, most of them changable with themes just like Windows, but you can even go a step further if you have the knowlege. It is infinitly customizable as you have the source code.
As far as being compatible with Win32 programs, I don't see that as a good thing since I want all Win32 programs to die. And again you do not understand what an "OS" is. A "distro" is not an "OS". A distro is more than an OS. Just like what you get on the Windows CD is more than an OS.
However, on most distros you get "many" more extras above an beyond the OS that you could only dream of getting on the Windows CD. As we've been over countless times, on the Windows CD you do not get MS Office, MS SQL Server, MS Visual Studio, Several browsers, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc. Not only do you get the equivelant of those apps with a "distro" you get more than one choice of each. There are distros that fit most of that on one CD (see Knoppix), let M$ try and fit all of that on one CD.
Now, seek professional help, no one here wants your crazies.
[ October 23, 2002: Message edited by: void main ]
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Diss the OS, not the games. It is disrespectful to label all these wonderful(there are alot of bad ones though)win32 computer games(or DOS games) as shit... just because they were made for a shit OS.
To hate Windows so much, that you hate all the games for it(regardless of quality if they were ported to another platform), just because they're for Windows, is taking anti-MS fanaticism too far(although fanaticism is still much better then any watered down MS opinions that have to be kept soft and subtle" due to where they're published)
Diss the OS, not the games. It is disrespectful to label all these wonderful(there are alot of bad ones though)win32 computer games(or DOS games) as shit... just because they were made for a shit OS.
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Nope, I'm not brainwashed. I just know a bettor *looking* OS when I see it. Not only does Longhorn look better than Linux, but it will have the nice benefit of compatability w/all Win32 apps and games(unlike Linux). ;P
LUCKY?! You do realize how shitty Wind0ze 9X was right? Imagine the BETA versions. These lucky people are testing a beta wind0ze. :D
So imagine W9X shittyness on steroids. (http://smile.gif)
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Originally posted by lazygamer:
Diss the OS, not the games. It is disrespectful to label all these wonderful(there are alot of bad ones though)win32 computer games(or DOS games) as shit... just because they were made for a shit OS.
Huh? Don't know if this is in response to my comment or not but I didn't say anything about games. I won't play them if they are Win32 only though. I'll play (and purchase) UT and Quake since they have Linux versions. As soon as the other game vendors come out with a port I might buy them too. I won't buy them if I have to play they through Wine, only if they have a native port.
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Originally posted by lazygamer:
LUCKY?! You do realize how shitty Wind0ze 9X was right? Imagine the BETA versions. These lucky people are testing a beta wind0ze. :D
So imagine W9X shittyness on steroids. (http://smile.gif)
Bleh, Betas of NT aren't so bad. I was using Windows XP when the first beta leaked(at that time it was known as Whistler). The only problem I ever experienced with betas of Whistler/XP were with Win2k SBLive! drivers(they caused the system to take 5 minutes to completely boot..I found a beta Live! driver that worked flawlessly with Whistler/XP and I stuck with it until XP RTM and new drivers hit the air). I tried those old Whistler and XP builds out after I got a SB Audigy and I found that the Win2K Audigy drivers didn't cause the grief the Live! drivers did. ;P
I didn't have problems with the Betas being unstable or crash happy(remember, those BEtas were built from the existing stable Win2K).
I'm sure that WHQL certified WinXP drivers will work fine with the betas of Longhorn.
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
Bleh, Betas of NT aren't so bad. I was using Windows XP when the first beta leaked(at that time it was known as Whistler). The only problem I ever experienced with betas of Whistler/XP were with Win2k SBLive! drivers(they caused the system to take 5 minutes to completely boot..I found a beta Live! driver that worked flawlessly with Whistler/XP and I stuck with it until XP RTM and new drivers hit the air). I tried those old Whistler and XP builds out after I got a SB Audigy and I found that the Win2K Audigy drivers didn't cause the grief the Live! drivers did. ;P
I didn't have problems with the Betas being unstable or crash happy(remember, those BEtas were built from the existing stable Win2K).
I'm sure that WHQL certified WinXP drivers will work fine with the betas of Longhorn.
am i wearing a t shirt that says 'I Care'? :D
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Originally posted by Calum:
am i wearing a t shirt that says 'I Care'? :D
Hey, I was simply stating that Beta NT OSes are not like Win9x on steroids(like lazy g said). If you don't care about what I have to say don't even bother with replying to me. ;)
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why not? you obviously care that i don't care, or you wouldn't have bothered replying to me! :D
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Yes Void, I was refering to your comments. Your right, all NON GAME programs should die.
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Not only does Longhorn look better than Linux, but it will have the nice benefit of compatability w/all Win32 apps and games(unlike Linux). ;P
I didn't think that anything could possibly look more Fisher-Price-esque than XP. How wrong I was! :D "Longhorn" has got to be the ugliest POS in terms of GUIs of all time. Nothing would drive me to the command line, never to return, faster than that. (http://tongue.gif)
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[ October 24, 2002: Message edited by: jtpenrod ]
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oh I would LOVE to get in on this one, let me lay down an example. Put a PC running windows in a graphics environment, life span? bout 6 months, sorry but it's a fact, and if *nix products suck SO much as zombie says.... then WHY would OSX jag, be *nix based? hmmm... and I had to laugh out load, (which made people stare casue I'm at work) when you said you couldn't chaneg the background in KDE. Dude, if you can't change the background image in KDE, you haven't used it, and I don't mind hearing people argue if they can argue both side, but you can't so stop.
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i cant believe the zealotism in here..
i am dual booting xp pro/red hat8
and red hat kicks ass by the same token I think XP rocks..
i am neither a linux or windows zealot..but alot of youse' guys comments /rants/ etc.. are misplaced ..
i mean some of you anti linux poeple even touch a linux distro, or just jumping on the bandwagon..i cant think i can say the same for the linux comments, cause i think EVERYONE has used a MS system w/ 9x/me/ before..but i have noticed..when some of the people in the linux camp make comments, and say theyve used linux for a long time? how long? if its over 3 years .. their last experience with windows was 9x/me, and both of those SUCK ASS.. now comparing 2k/xp with linux is more apropo. even nt4 is somewhat comparable..
as for someones comment bout the size of installation .. windows 2k with full installation is 900mb+ (just right click on your c:/windows folder and hit properties if you dont believe me)and xp is 1.3-1.5gigs.. now thats JUST THE OS..if thats not bloat, and many people bring up..but with 200gig hardrives these days and the average size hd in computers today is 40gigs..whats the bigdeal if just the OS takes up 4% of the total size right?
but in defence of linux..that 3 isos you install are all the appz youll EVER NEED..so that person that made that comparison is fulla crap..
as for the apps..lets look at the price..
even if the GIMP(somewhat close to a photoshop equivalent) is 70% of what photoshop can do.. photoshop is 589bucks.. gimp is free id love to have 70% functionality for free then 589bucks down for an app..
abi word is more then enough for most offices.. while office2k was600 office xp was 689 and thats NOT including frontpage, which is 215bucks.. let alone publisher xp which is over 200 sep..
now i'm still a newbie but i'm sure there are comproble appz for office..
and of course theres' openoffice.org.which according to many software reviews is quite nice even compared to office xp..
and i have a p3-750 w/384mb of ram. i opened up 32 desktops and opened 2 or more appz in each one.. NOTHING SLOWED down.. since xp/2k dont have virtual desktop(xp has one, but only 4 virtual desktops) can you open up over 50 appz on windows?
can the average person AFFORD 50 appz for windows?
(forget the warez argument)
so if you are willing to tweak, configure, tinker with an OS you can make more personal then windows will EVER be.and you can handle the reading, searching, forums, etc etc etc to do it.. and willing to take on the learning curve then LINUX is for you..if you like the ease of one click "setup.exe" or if you just wanna slide by and just get on the internet, burn a few cd's and send emails.. and chat.. then windows is all you ever need... but if you want more.. nothing as i can see it, gives more of hands on persona experience then LINUX..
but then again, if you cant take the heat..but to bitch and call others names and prove this and that..its like apples and oranges..me on the other hand lkes the best of both worlds and bitches bout either..i dual boot..
perhaps some of you should too..i mean if you can even understand and RTFM
goodnight all
OH AND BY THE WAY on a few other forums and chatrooms it was already determined, at least i heard the same remarks in many places.that those LONGHORN pictures are just some dude that skined windows XP with some fancy photoshop work.
but then again, just what ive heard/read
[ November 03, 2002: Message edited by: i12bcd8d ]
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zombie 90210, have a look at these screenshots:
Konsole (http://www.rsbac.org/unix-nl/img2.gif)
Minix (http://village.infoweb.ne.jp/~fwkh2916/minix/minix.gif)
MacOSX (http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/unix_apps_utilities/images/tetex.gif)
Eterm (http://aptools.sourceforge.net/aptools-unix.jpg)
FreeBSD (http://vcc.urz.tu-dresden.de/mbone/freebsd/pics/bsd2_132.jpg)
Commodore 64 (http://www.floodgap.com/retrobits/ckb/secret/cbm-65-screenshot.jpg)
FVWM2 (http://false.net/x/misc/term.gif)
Xerox Alto (http://www.bambi.net/computer_museum/xerox_alto.jpg)
PDP10 (http://www.bambi.net/computer_museum/pdp10_console.jpg)
Now, i would be the first to admit that none of those user interfaces looks particularly appealing, however, i think that most if not all of those machines/systems/interfaces had and have more influence on and importance regarding the course of computing than windows or microsoft ever have or had.
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hey zombie, i'll be interested to know when you provide with hard, provable facts. so far, you've given us nothing but your own opinions/speculations, and "it looks pretty!"...
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Originally posted by Ex Eleven / b0b 2.1:
Zombie, your problem is is that you are retarded and dont realize that Windows is utterly flawed... You might ask "Whats wrong with it" and here we go: .EXE theres your flaw, executable permissions set by File extensions.
Have a nice day!
YOu just keep supporting a Monopoly that will buy out everything unless it is stopped, thats your problem, you dont see past whats yours. Because your an ignorant prick. You dont care about what Microsoft are doing because if you did it might mean that you will do somthing about it, but of cource there would be nothing in that for you would there, nooooo, there isnt. So you dont care you just keep using Operating Systems with 35 year old flaws and problems in the Interface. What you need to do is stop being so selfish and think about things other then yourself.
Of cource you wouldnt do that because you have no social consience and your offically... A RETARD. You have a obsession with your self... That is a disorder... Find a cure.
Ehh, this is coming from somebody who self promotes his own crappy software so much that his fellow Linuxites call him a troll? Haha, you are funny man. BTW, if I'm so retarded then how do I manage to keep my nice paying job, how come I know how to manage my money so well that I can afford about anything I want *after* paying the bills, why did I do well in school and still manage to have friends and have girlfriends, etc. ?
You Aussies are so damn dense. Every last one of you make no fucking sense at all(most Aussies have to say the word fuckin every other word when they speak...like yada yada fuckin yada yada fuckin yada yada), you shit heads talk like you have taffy stuck in your teeth and you all think your ways are perfect and every other nationality(especially Americans) are so bad. You are probably one of those Aussies who sit around and drink beer all day everyday. You probably get so drunk that you start to find Walabes and Kangaroos attractive. :eek:
Anyways, enough rambling. Go suck a monkeys' cock and quit talking to me already. I don't like you and I don't think that you make any fucking sense.
(EDIT)This is interesting. You already publicly admited that you are fucking retarded in this thread (http://forum.fuckmicrosoft.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=7&t=000753)(see reply #6).
[ November 04, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Originally posted by distortion:
hey zombie, i'll be interested to know when you provide with hard, provable facts. so far, you've given us nothing but your own opinions/speculations, and "it looks pretty!"...
You'll be interested to know what? I need a more complete statement if you actually expect for me to build a reply from it. ;)
BTW, isn't the whole OS wars about opinions and speculations? When a Linuxite says Linux is better than Windoze, yada yada that is an opinion. When a Linuxite says that Linux will overthrow Windows that is speculation.
Fact - Microsoft is the dominating force(and has been the dominating force for years now) in the software, OS market.
Fact - Open Source software only imitates what popular closed source software has been able to do for years.
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
You'll be interested to know what? I need a more complete statement if you actually expect for me to build a reply from it. ;)
BTW, isn't the whole OS wars about opinions and speculations? When a Linuxite says Linux is better than Windoze, yada yada that is an opinion. When a Linuxite says that Linux will overthrow Windows that is speculation.
Fact - Microsoft is the dominating force(and has been the dominating force for years now) in the software, OS market.
Fact - Open Source software only imitates what popular closed source software has been able to do for years.
OMG, what do you smoke man? It must be some real bad weed?
Windows even from the days of DOS is a fucking copycat.Read your history before you open your mouth.
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Originally posted by bazoukas:
OMG, what do you smoke man? It must be some real bad weed?
Windows even from the days of DOS is a fucking copycat.Read your history before you open your mouth.
What does Windows copy? It doesn't copy MacOS, Unix, Linux, BeOS, etc. It looks, feels and works nothing like any other OS.
Perhaps maybe MS didn't invent GUI(neither did Apple though mind you). GUI was invented by Xerox(so technically Windows, MacOS, Linux Window Managers, BeOS, etc. stole the GUI idea from Xerox). Really, I want to know what Windows copies. Looking at distros like Lycoris and Lindows it is obvious that Linux tries to *COPY* Windows.
Whats next, are you going to say that MS technologies like DirectX are copied even though you know that no other OS has a propriarity hardware acceleration API?
[ November 04, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Tell me man, do you have a life?
Your comments are so moronic that I wont even bother to respond right now. Instead I will continue reading for my Midterm for c++
Now if you had some brains up there, i wouldnt mind devoting a good half hour for you.
But i think you know better than that.
A) You are Just a forum troll
or
B) You are just a brainwashed idiot.
There is no big difference between those two come to think of it.
Hold your thoughts untill I have the time to reply to you as i realy want.
Untill then, do the three finger salute few times.
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Originally posted by bazoukas:
Tell me man, do you have a life?
Your comments are so moronic that I wont even bother to respond right now. Instead I will continue reading for my Midterm for c++
Now if you had some brains up there, i wouldnt mind devoting a good half hour for you.
But i think you know better than that.
A) You are Just a forum troll
or
B) You are just a brainwashed idiot.
There is no big difference between those two come to think of it.
Hold your thoughts untill I have the time to reply to you as i realy want.
Untill then, do the three finger salute few times.
No, the only reason you won't reply is because you don't have an answer. You know as well as I know that Windows looks nothing like, works nothing like and feels nothing like any other OS. Therefore, Windows isn't a copy of anything. You also know that it is true that Linux becomes more and more Windows like every time a new distro is released(Redhat is becoming more and more like Windows, Lycoris and Lindows already try to be exactly like Windows).
Now tell me buddy, what did MS copy?
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As I said fucktard, I have a Midterm tomorow so FUCK OFF!!!
You want to educate your piss poor brain?
Here The doors are wide open (http://google.com)
Also do some search on this Web Site and you will find some Links that will educate you.
Its in front of you fucktard and its simple to understand it.
But as I said,,
A) You are a troll
or
B) You are an idiot.
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Originally posted by bazoukas:
As I said fucktard, I have a Midterm tomorow so FUCK OFF!!!
You want to educate your piss poor brain?
Here The doors are wide open (http://google.com)
Also do some search on this Web Site and you will find some Links that will educate you.
Its in front of you fucktard and its simple to understand it.
But as I said,,
A) You are a troll
or
B) You are an idiot.
As I said,
A)You can't give me a good reply because you don't have one. End of story.
Now, if you are so hell bent on doing your fucking homework get the hell off of the internet and go do it already. You realize that you are wasting time replying to anybody in a forum when you have homework to do don't you?
Hit the books already junior. ;P
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To show that I'm not bullshitting about Linux trying to *imitate* Windows, have a look at this.
These are Lycoris screenies.
Link to images damnit! (http://www.lycoris.com/images/desktopdetail.gif)
Arg! linky linky! (http://www.lycoris.com/images/cleandesktopsmall.gif)
guk! can't... breathe!... Images... too.. large... ! (http://www.lycoris.com/images/mlssmall.gif)
ho hum, yes you guessed it, another image (http://www.lycoris.com/images/nbsmall.gif)
Wow. i am so glad you linked to all these images. (http://www.lycoris.com/images/pfsmall.gif)
image, image image. (http://www.lycoris.com/images/trashdetail.gif)
LAST ONE!!!! (can you believe it? (http://www.lycoris.com/images/controlcenterdetail.gif)
The stupid OS even has a Lycoris Update(like Windows Update) and it has Wizards(like Windows).
Now tell me, who copies who?
[ November 04, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
[edited by somebody who knows how to link to images]
[ November 05, 2002: Message edited by: Calum & his insidious little spies ]
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The Windows GUI is a complete rip off of the Mac. They licenced parts of it for fucks sake! What they didn't licence they promptly stole. And M$ is for "protection of Intellectual Property"? Hippocrates.
DOS is a DIRECT rip off of everything that was out at the time.
The Lycoris GUI is SUPPOSED to be like that. It's supposed to give people a familiar feel who want to switch from Windows.
Gnome 2 comes damn close to rivaling the looks of something that won't be coming out for another 3 years.
And they were right about Linux. You can't knock on it: It's just a core. Gnome, KDE, IceWM, Enlightement, etc. are what you look at when you "see" Linux.
Are you FOR palladium!? Are you for losing all of your rights to listen to music and watch movies where you damn well please?! Then support Palladium all you fucking want. Don't come running back whining when you can't copy a song from a CD to your MP3 player.
Other than making another taskbar and making it transparent, Longhorn doesn't look like an advance in technology. They changed the way the windows look a little *OOH*
What a load of crap.
[ November 04, 2002: Message edited by: The_Muffin_Man/B0b ]
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Hit the books already junior. ;P
Don't say this. I consider dejecting someone because of their age very insulting. Age is just a number, not a measure of someone's intelligence.
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Originally posted by The_Muffin_Man/B0b:
The Windows GUI is a complete rip off of the Mac. They licenced parts of it for fucks sake! What they didn't licence they promptly stole. And M$ is for "protection of Intellectual Property"? Hippocrates.
DOS is a DIRECT rip off of everything that was out at the time.
The Lycoris GUI is SUPPOSED to be like that. It's supposed to give people a familiar feel who want to switch from Windows.
Gnome 2 comes damn close to rivaling the looks of something that won't be coming out for another 3 years.
And they were right about Linux. You can't knock on it: It's just a core. Gnome, KDE, IceWM, Enlightement, etc. are what you look at when you "see" Linux.
Are you FOR palladium!? Are you for losing all of your rights to listen to music and watch movies where you damn well please?! Then support Palladium all you fucking want. Don't come running back whining when you can't copy a song from a CD to your MP3 player.
Other than making another taskbar and making it transparent, Longhorn doesn't look like an advance in technology. They changed the way the windows look a little *OOH*
What a load of crap.
[ November 04, 2002: Message edited by: The_Muffin_Man/B0b ]
Windows 3.1 was like a rip-off of MacOS. Windows 3.1 wan't an OS either, it was an app that functioned as an easy to use DOS Shell(IBM copied Win 3.1 with OS/2 Warp). Windows 95 was an OS of it's own(the only DOS dependcy it had was to use it to boot up..it didn't rely on DOS to configure drivers, IRQ's etc.). Nothing about it(except the recycle bin) resembled MacOS at all. So the Windows that everyone has become aquianted to is not a copy of a god damn thing.
DOS was created by MS and IBM. MS bought IBM's slice of the pie so MS legally obtained and had rights to DOS. There was no other OS out there at the time that DOS could've possibly copied.
Why can't Mac biggots understand and face the simple fact that Apple did not invent GUI. Xerox invented it and Apple used it(Apple didn't innovate a god damn thing). When you see any GUI(wether it be Windows, MacOS, a Linux WM, etc.) you should be thanking Xerox for inventing it..not Apple.
For the Longhorn isn't any better than XP comment. Longhorn has a long way to go before it goes gold. Now if you want to talk about upgrades that don't mean much lets talk about those OSX updates that cost you money everytime you upgrade. What is so different about Jaguar that sets it apart from OSX 10.1.4? Is it just minor GUI changes? LoL Also, why does Apple charge for services that should be free(services that you paid for when you bought your copy of OSX)?
What was so different between MacOS 8, 8.1 and 9? Not much...but they were all updates that costed money.
[ November 04, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
Windows 3.1 was like a rip-off of MacOS. Windows 3.1 wan't an OS either, it was an app that functioned as an easy to use DOS Shell(IBM copied Win 3.1 with OS/2 Warp). Windows 95 was an OS of it's own(the only DOS dependcy it had was to use it to boot up..it didn't rely on DOS to configure drivers, IRQ's etc.). Nothing about it(except the recycle bin) resembled MacOS at all. So the Windows that everyone has become aquianted to is not a copy of a god damn thing.
DOS was created by MS and IBM. MS bought IBM's slice of the pie so MS legally obtained and had rights to DOS. There was no other OS out there at the time that DOS could've possibly copied.
Why can't Mac biggots understand and face the simple fact that Apple did not invent GUI. Xerox invented it and Apple used it(Apple didn't innovate a god damn thing). When you see any GUI(wether it be Windows, MacOS, a Linux WM, etc.) you should be thanking Xerox for inventing it..not Apple.
For the Longhorn isn't any better than XP comment. Longhorn has a long way to go before it goes gold. Now if you want to talk about upgrades that don't mean much lets talk about those OSX updates that cost you money everytime you upgrade. What is so different about Jaguar that sets it apart from OSX 10.1.4? Is it just minor GUI changes? LoL Also, why does Apple charge for services that should be free(services that you paid for when you bought your copy of OSX)?
What was so different between MacOS 8, 8.1 and 9? Not much...but they were all updates that costed money.
[ November 04, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
8 to 8.1 was free. LOOK IT UP BEFORE YOU SAY IT.
Jaguar was a massive improvement over 10.1.5. It was much faster, much smoother. It has better memory management and Quartz Extreme, which accounts for most of the speed. Worth the $130 I spent on it.
I'm not anymore of a bigot than you are.
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Personally, I don't really care about how pretty the GUI looks. I like it simple and to the point. I personally prefer the Windows 3.1 look than I do the 95 look. But I still prefer how Windows 98 and Windows 2000 look to how Windows XP looks. I'm actually kind of turned off from Windows XP because of its appearance (there are other reasons, but that's beyond the scope of what I'm talking about) For the same reason, I don't care much for the GNOME desktop, because it seems too focused on looks for me. I prefer KDE, because it seems more no-nonsense to me.
But I'm probably not making much sense here, so I'll shut up now.....
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I think y'all should take the linux cock out of your asses and have a good laugh:
http://www.linuxsucks.com/ (http://www.linuxsucks.com/)
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seen it, it's old news.
now in answer to zombie648326345:
you have a fucking nerve, mormon. You are the one who fails to answer questions time after time. It's rich to see you accusing somebody else of it, and as for your blowharding about 'everybody stole the GUI from Xerox', as it happens, Xerox PARC was research only. Xerox set it up so they could get the jump on the paperless office if it ever happened. It didn't happen so Xerox did not market any of their groundbreaking stuff. They were the first to come up with 2.56Mbps ethernet but they chose to spend another six years developing 10Mbps ethernet because they reckoned that that would be what people were using in 2000 (this in the mid seventies!) They didn't market the alto, an office microcomputer, they didn't market anything with a GUI, although they did come up with the concept of bitmapping as standard out. also, operating systems, machines, everything that Xerox developed, that was supposedly copied by somebody else was developed from (or almost from) scratch by whoever 'stole' the idea.
I don't think patenting should be allowed for software. Copyrighting of course, patenting no. The GUI cannot be copyrighted and should not be patented. Somebody's unique take on the GUI can be copyrighted though, and that's how it should be.
Also, windows' GUI is a direct copy of MacOS' GUI. the two projects have forked a bit over the years but when Apple and M$ made their deal (that M$ broke) Gates and Allen actually left the final deal carrying some Apple machines away with them for dissection and analysis. Also, you conveniently forget that the 'windows 95 taskbar' which is the only part of the windows GUI i cannot see in MacOS, was present in RiscOS in 1988! so suck it, dumbass.
why must i cover this ground over and over for you, zombie? can't you read? can't you type the word 'google' into your address bar like everybody else? WHY??????
as i said before, shut up when you talk to me.
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quote:
Originally posted by Zombie9920:
As I said,
A)You can't give me a good reply because you don't have one. End of story.
Now, if you are so hell bent on doing your fucking homework get the hell off of the internet and go do it already. You realize that you are wasting time replying to anybody in a forum when you have homework to do don't you?
Hit the books already junior. ;P
As I said you piece of donkeys shit I was reading for my midterm.
IF YOU ARE SO FUCKING STUPID TO SEE HOW MS RIPED OFF COMPANIES THEN YOU DESERVE TO BE CALLED A FUCKING MORON.
Fallow the God Damn Links in this web site and see what am talking about. I am not gonna take by the hand a fucking shitard like you.
So fuck off. I have better things to do than try to open your eyes. You are already made your mind about everything.
The screenshots that you gave dont mean shit. Its just a way to make the users do an easy transition from Windos to Linux VISUAL wise, and nothing more.
Tell me fucktard, who 1st created the so called Dirty Operating System?
Here is another one for you, MOSAIC....have you heard of them you fucktard???
Yes your precious IE is a fucking rip off you moronic piece of shit. And a bad rip off at best.
So shut your mouth and read your history!
idiot.
[ November 05, 2002: Message edited by: bazoukas ]
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Originally posted by bazoukas:
As I said you piece of donkeys shit I was reading for my midterm.
IF YOU ARE SO FUCKING STUPID TO SEE HOW MS RIPED OFF COMPANIES THEN YOU DESERVE TO BE CALLED A FUCKING MORON.
Fallow the God Damn Links in this web site and see what am talking about. I am not gonna take by the hand a fucking shitard like you.
So fuck off. I have better things to do than try to open your eyes. You are already made your mind about everything.
The screenshots that you gave dont mean shit. Its just a way to make the users do an easy transition from Windos to Linux VISUAL wise, and nothing more.
Tell me fucktard, who 1st created the so called Dirty Operating System?
Here is another one for you, MOSAIC....have you heard of them you fucktard???
Yes your precious IE is a fucking rip off you moronic piece of shit. And a bad rip off at best.
So shut your mouth and read your history!
idiot.
[ November 05, 2002: Message edited by: bazoukas ]
Did you just graduate from the 3rd grade? My 10 year old cousin can compose better sentences than you can. Your profile says that you are 27 years old but you speak like your 11 years old? You have to do homework? I don't think that you are 27 years old. If you really are you need to grow up and act like it.
Blah blah blah blah fukin blah blah shit blah blah fucktard, blah blah blah ass blah blah. Hey! You wouldn't happen to be one of those Aussies would you be? ROFLMFAO
I'm not going to call you a fucktard. I am going to call you wetawded though. (http://zombie9920.homestead.com/files/4.gif)
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Try doing full time school and full time work (most of the times second shift), then come and talk to me fucktard.
Sorry if you cant stand the cursing. I will send you a dress and some nail polish. Sorry if I invade your little Internet world with some "sailor talk".
Tough shit for you.
But once again, you avoid the subject when somebody hands to you some facts.
As i said. Prove me wrong about MOSAIC and about Dirty Operating System.
YOU CANT and YOU DIDNT, because these are historical facts!
You have been owned so many times in here by other members, that I wonder if you enjoy the bitch slaping.
Now go ahead and continue being the village idiot for these forums. We like having you here :D . It breaks the boredom.
Once in a while I will flame you, when i want to get some juices flowing. :D
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and zombie5730985793, will you answer my post? no. you prefer slinging mud. Also, to comment on the 'dirty operating system', it was actually created by Tim Paterson of Seattle Computer Products. The system was actually illegally ripped off from CP/M, the first microcomputer operating system, written by Gary Kildall, founder of Digital Research. Kildall was actually IBM's first choice when they were looking to buy a system for their first personal computer, however Kildall's crappy timekeeping and unsociableness made them go to Bill Gates, with whom they were already negotiating for a BASIC compiler.
[edit - ]So IBM were sold the 'MS-DOS' by Gates, who then proceeded to go and buy it from Seattle Computer Products outright for US$50,000 which would have been a lot, if IBM had decided to renege on the deal (a 'right' that they reserve in all their deals). Of course, Gates didn't have DOS when he sold it, and Seattle Computer Products didn't know Gates would licence it to IBM when he bought it off them.[/end of edit]
So, take that either way you like, but to me it shows that not only Microsoft, but Seattle Computer Products were filthy plagiarists. here's a quote from Gary Kildall, who wrote CP/M in the first place: quote:
G. Kildall:
Ask Bill why function code 6 [in QDOS and still in MS-DOS] ends in a dollar sign. No one in the world knows that but me.
[ November 05, 2002: Message edited by: Calum & his insidious little spies ]
[ November 05, 2002: Message edited by: Calum & his insidious little spies ]
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
You'll be interested to know what? I need a more complete statement if you actually expect for me to build a reply from it. ;)
BTW, isn't the whole OS wars about opinions and speculations? When a Linuxite says Linux is better than Windoze, yada yada that is an opinion. When a Linuxite says that Linux will overthrow Windows that is speculation.
Fact - Microsoft is the dominating force(and has been the dominating force for years now) in the software, OS market.
Fact - Open Source software only imitates what popular closed source software has been able to do for years.
we have presented numorous reasons of why linux is better then windows. for example, it's free, it has been stable almost since the day it was concived, and there are plenty of applications out there for it that can do just about anything you would concivably want to do.
you have done nothing but but say "this feature or that feature is great!" without really giving a reason for why you believe that.
so what i'm basically saying is "why don't you act like a salesman?"
now, you did say that microsoft is a dominating force. that pretty irrefutable. however, why is that good?
you second fact, however, sounds like an opinion, so why don't you cite some examples other then the gui?
[ November 05, 2002: Message edited by: distortion ]