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Miscellaneous => The Lounge => Topic started by: mobrien_12 on 25 July 2006, 21:09

Title: Microsoft's Foray into Music
Post by: mobrien_12 on 25 July 2006, 21:09
http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20060725
Title: Re: Microsoft's Foray into Music
Post by: worker201 on 25 July 2006, 23:07
That's not funny, simply because the paper clip actually makes command decisions at Microsoft.
Title: Re: Microsoft's Foray into Music
Post by: hm_murdock on 26 July 2006, 01:04
I wonder how many people will buy a Zune, then return it or throw it away never to buy one again since it can't play their iTunes music.

And because it sucks, just like all the other non-iPod players.
Title: Re: Microsoft's Foray into Music
Post by: H_TeXMeX_H on 26 July 2006, 01:12
mp3 players suck period ... cuz mp3s suck
Title: Re: Microsoft's Foray into Music
Post by: worker201 on 26 July 2006, 01:20
Quote from: H_TeXMeX_H
mp3 players suck period ... cuz mp3s suck
I never thought they sucked, but I never thought they were that great either.  But I bought an iPod because I just felt like I needed to have one.  Good thing I did, because that $300 investment saved my life.  When I was on a boat in the Indian Ocean for 3 months, with no Mexican food or Screeching Weasel albums within 3000 miles, it was extremely nice to have my entire cd collection sitting in my pocket.  The 22 hour plane ride from Atlanta to Johannesburg would have been torture without the iPod as well. And recently I got a car stereo that the iPod connects to, for long road trips.  I'm not one of those guys that carries my iPod with me all the time and always has earphones in.  But the convenience of portability is worth the money.  Besides, any free space can be used as a removable hard drive.
Title: Re: Microsoft's Foray into Music
Post by: piratePenguin on 26 July 2006, 01:48
mp3 players rock, but I probably wouldn't get an ipod since I don't like to waste money on things like that. If all I need is something that works, that's exactly what I'd get.

(I had a 256Mb player up until a few weeks ago, it was the shit. (Whhhhhy did I leave it behind?))
Title: Re: Microsoft's Foray into Music
Post by: hm_murdock on 26 July 2006, 02:01
The big problem is that all the other players suck. Total suxation. Cojones get licked.
Title: Re: Microsoft's Foray into Music
Post by: H_TeXMeX_H on 26 July 2006, 02:42
But mp3s sound horrible ... don't they ? I always thought they did ... cuz they compress the shit out of em (even on highest quality/lowest compression they still sound like shit) ! Oggs are much better ... I also prefer flacs cuz they're lossless, unfortunately it's only about 33% compression ratio compared to wav (that's to say if a wav = 30 MB, it's flac = 20 MB roughly and mp3 = 3 MB, ogg = 10 MB).
Title: Re: Microsoft's Foray into Music
Post by: Lead Head on 26 July 2006, 02:48
Quote from: H_TeXMeX_H
But mp3s sound horrible ... don't they ? I always thought they did ... cuz they compress the shit out of em (even on highest quality/lowest compression they still sound like shit) ! Oggs are much better ... I also prefer flacs cuz they're lossless, unfortunately it's only about 33% compression ratio compared to wav (that's to say if a wav = 30 MB, it's flac = 20 MB roughly and mp3 = 3 MB).

196KB/s Mp3 sounds awsome, i don't know what your smoking
Title: Re: Microsoft's Foray into Music
Post by: hm_murdock on 26 July 2006, 02:50
I've worked in audio recording since 1998 and can't hear the mythical "huge degredation in quality" in MP3s that everybody else can.
Title: Re: Microsoft's Foray into Music
Post by: H_TeXMeX_H on 26 July 2006, 02:52
I disagree, and besides if you encode them that way they're on par with ogg compression, and ogg sounds much better to me. (in my scheme best quality mp3 is 10 MB, and so is ogg)
Title: Re: Microsoft's Foray into Music
Post by: piratePenguin on 26 July 2006, 03:03
Quote from: hm_murdock
I've worked in audio recording since 1998 and can't hear the mythical "huge degredation in quality" in MP3s that everybody else can.
Supposedly an OGG with a similar file-size to an MP3 of the same music sounds much better.
Title: Re: Microsoft's Foray into Music
Post by: hm_murdock on 26 July 2006, 04:02
I'll have to try to see it.
Title: Re: Microsoft's Foray into Music
Post by: H_TeXMeX_H on 26 July 2006, 04:32
You know the type of music you listen to also affects if you notice a difference, so maybe you won't notice a difference ... or maybe my hearing is just really good ? To me the difference is huge ... others may not notice one
Title: Re: Microsoft's Foray into Music
Post by: GenuineAdvantage on 26 July 2006, 05:05
Uh, sure, mp3 sucks. But so does ogg for that matter. Any sound compression does going by that criteria. I don't know about low size compression, since any encoding sucks in such cases, but at the highest ones if someone says they can tell the difference between the formats, it's baloney. They do what they should though. It's nice to have a relatively high quality sound in compressed form. And I say relatively because it's better than nothing. I was once on my way to becoming an audiophile, then I realized it was bunk because a true audiophile would think the current sound system technology sucks one way or another. When one can't tell the difference between real sound and speaker sound, all around, then I will think about being picky. Till then I'll just enjoy the noise :)
Title: Re: Microsoft's Foray into Music
Post by: hm_murdock on 26 July 2006, 09:01
Booyah. That's exactly what I've always said. Nobody can actually HEAR the difference.
Title: Re: Microsoft's Foray into Music
Post by: pofnlice on 26 July 2006, 10:48
it also depends heavily, regardless of the format, on the quality of the source file anyway. If you download porch monkey orgy off of edonkey and find it sounds crap...well maybe it's not the file type or the music at all, maybe it's just a shit recording.

I have to agree though. My hearing may not be what it once was...explosions do that to ears. But, I haven't noticed any differencein sound quality between ogg and mp3. At the end of the day, I want to groove to some hugechoons, not nitpick the quality of it because it doesn't sound like I'm standing in a soundbooth at a studio.
Title: Re: Microsoft's Foray into Music
Post by: hm_murdock on 26 July 2006, 17:07
Let's get back on topic and bash Microsoft Zune and how shittay it will be.

I think they'll sell 8 of them before people realize that it's just a collection of hairs off a dead chimp's butt inside of a case that was designed to be a bad ripoff of the iPod.

See, that's the real problem with all the not iPods. They're exactly that. They all look like they kinda try to be, but they're not iPods. They're just cheap ripoffs. Anything by Creative or dell especially, as they all look crap. I mean, SERIOUSLY, they're too pussy to put a wheel on it. Why?

PC guy designer: Apple has a wheel, and Apple sux. I bet they're going out of business.
PC guy designer 2: Yeah! I heard that the new iMac doesn't have serial ports!
PC guy designer: OMG how can I attatch my serial dot-matrix printer from 1983?!?
PC guy designer 2: Or how will I use my Logitech serial mouse?!?
PC guy designer: Yeah, oh and Macs are only good for graphics.
PC guy designer 2: I know! But Photoshop runs better on Microsoft Windows XP(TM).
PC guy designer: So, tiny rocker control that will break the second day you have it?
PC guy designer 2: Yeah! That's not a SHITTY TOUCH SENSITIVE WHEEL!

Oh yeah, and don't forget about the fact that the not iPods play WMA, and won't play AAC from iTunes. Why the FUCK would you give a shit about a player that won't play iTunes tracks?
Title: Re: Microsoft's Foray into Music
Post by: hm_murdock on 26 July 2006, 17:39
I'm not done.

I thought I'd dis on the wannabes some more. Nothing sucks balls more than an iPod ripoff that plays WMAs... NOTHING! Except maybe the design of the case they're in!

(http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i44/the_jimmy_james/dell_dj_products.jpg)

Would you use that POS? I wouldn't. Why? IT'S SHIT. Look at the controls. Instead of something that's well thought out, it's an array of buttons that rivals only industrial equipment in complexity. And look at the menu on the little screen. It's a RIPOFF of the iPod software. It's also made by Dell, the epitome of uncool, dweeby junk.

Now, let's look at what Zune is going to be.

Xbox. That's what it'll be. Xbox was the world's most expensive space heater ever, prone to failure and shitty errors and things. Everybody hates Xbox because it's junky. Why would Zune be any different? IT WON'T. It'll be garbage the same way that Xbox is garbage. Zune is doublefucked since all the other MP3 players suck balls, too. The software is always crazappy, and for some reason only ever sounds good playing (c)rap music, since that's the only thing that doesn't sound like aural feces in WMA format. Oh yeah. Rap sucks ass. Last thing I want is some whigger to be standing next to me with his Dell DJ Ditty doing his shitty Eminem impression. I don't want to have to break his legs, arms, feet, hands and ribs. It would really take too much time out of my day.

Finally... I hate the other MP3 players. That's reason enough for you to hate them, too.
Title: Re: Microsoft's Foray into Music
Post by: pofnlice on 26 July 2006, 17:49
yup teh jimmyzorus wex is back....
Title: Re: Microsoft's Foray into Music
Post by: piratePenguin on 26 July 2006, 17:56
If that Dell thing costs less than an ipod, I'd probably buy it faster.

I wish I could get you a picture of my old 256 Mb player. It was just a block with buttons and a screen. And do you know what? It worked.

And when it comes to buying a player, think I give a fuck if it's a ripoff of an ipod? If I like ipods then that's a good thing.

ps: the creative zen I used wasn't too bad. Too bad it's about as pricey as the ipods..
Title: Re: Microsoft's Foray into Music
Post by: hm_murdock on 26 July 2006, 18:14
I dunno... personally, I'm willing to pay more for quality, and quality to me requires some thought be put into the device. While I'm sure that your old player worked fine, and while I'm sure it was cheaper, what's it matter?

That's the problem, really. People are far too quick to say something is good enough when it isn't.
Title: Re: Microsoft's Foray into Music
Post by: worker201 on 26 July 2006, 20:54
Quote from: hm_murdock
Xbox was the world's most expensive space heater ever
LMAO

Actually, the iTunes format is starting to piss me off.  It was cool to buy a song, I don't mind that.  But having to revalidate it all the time is a pain in the ass.  Thanks to reinstalls and whatnot, I've managed to use 4 of my 5 validations.  What happens then?  I have to pay another 99 cents?  Fuck that.
Title: Re: Microsoft's Foray into Music
Post by: hm_murdock on 26 July 2006, 23:38
De-authorize your computer before you have to reinstall. If you're not able to, and something goes south, log into iTunes and deauthorize all computers. This will free up all 5 validations, to be used over again however you see fit. A short while back, I had to do this twice in as many months. The rule says you can only do it once a year, but their tech support went ahead and did it for me when I explained that I'd had a hardware failure that left me unable to deauthorize.