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All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Software => Topic started by: Refalm on 28 April 2004, 19:53
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That black stuff was a pretty good idea, but the latest Longhorn build proves what kind of idiot the designers at Microsoft are.
Get a clue (again): TOO MUCH BLUE MAY HURT YOUR EYES IN THE LONG RUN!
I guess they'll never learn...
Screenshots (jpg):
1 (http://www.tweakers.net/ext/i.dsp/1083091853.jpg) :: 2 (http://www.tweakers.net/ext/i.dsp/1083091855.jpg) :: 3 (http://www.tweakers.net/ext/i.dsp/1083091907.jpg) :: 4 (http://www.tweakers.net/ext/i.dsp/1083091909.jpg) :: 5 (http://www.tweakers.net/ext/i.dsp/1083091966.jpg) :: 6 (http://www.tweakers.net/ext/i.dsp/1083091968.jpg)
See Hell in action (mpg and avi):
1 (http://files.tweakers.net/Longhorn%20video/3718_DCE.MPG) :: 2 (http://files.tweakers.net/Longhorn%20video/3718_Effects2.avi) :: 3 (http://files.tweakers.net/Longhorn%20video/3718_WMP.avi)
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Microsoft's target customer for Windows Longhorn:
(http://www.farklempt.com/Travels/New.York.0212/Images/teletubbies.jpeg)
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Yuck. They're even worse than before.
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At least the ugly black/purple one was their own creation. Now they appear to be copying off some lousy user skins for XP.
Those OK/Cancel buttons look awful. (http://redface.gif)
Oh...why did the build number (3718) decrease? Can they not count? :confused:
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You don't have permission to access /Longhorn%20video/3718_DCE.MPG on this server.
This could be because you are NOT a Tweakers.net user
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Originally posted by Refalm:
That black stuff was a pretty good idea, but the latest Longhorn build proves what kind of idiot the designers at Microsoft are.
Get a clue (again): TOO MUCH BLUE MAY HURT YOUR EYES IN THE LONG RUN!
I guess they'll never learn...
Screenshots (jpg):
1 (http://www.tweakers.net/ext/i.dsp/1083091853.jpg) :: 2 (http://www.tweakers.net/ext/i.dsp/1083091855.jpg) :: 3 (http://www.tweakers.net/ext/i.dsp/1083091907.jpg) :: 4 (http://www.tweakers.net/ext/i.dsp/1083091909.jpg) :: 5 (http://www.tweakers.net/ext/i.dsp/1083091966.jpg) :: 6 (http://www.tweakers.net/ext/i.dsp/1083091968.jpg)
See Hell in action (mpg and avi):
1 (http://files.tweakers.net/Longhorn%20video/3718_DCE.MPG) :: 2 (http://files.tweakers.net/Longhorn%20video/3718_Effects2.avi) :: 3 (http://files.tweakers.net/Longhorn%20video/3718_WMP.avi)
Why do Microsoft make everything look complicated??
Longshit looks crap - not even anti-aliasing on the text under the icons!
The interface will confuse every pc weenie out there!
Mac OS X has nothing to fear from this crap!
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Mac OS X Panther looks better, cooler and isn't confusing.
And the best part: it's available now! Longhorn can suck it, this shit rules! (http://graemlins/macos.gif)
Here's a cool video about what Mac OS X looks like:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/video/ (http://www.apple.com/macosx/video/)
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Those are OLD Longhorn builds... not new ones!
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Mandrake: Those are OLD Longhorn builds... not new ones!
Yes, you're right. But this is the first time those crappy effects are shown.
Here's a screenshot for Longhorn 4051 (still looks crappy though) click (http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/longhorn_4051_103.jpg).
Compare to Mac OS X (http://pcweb.pc.mycom.co.jp/news/2003/10/09/50bl.JPG) and Linux (http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/teams/marketing/en/2004/two-six-screenshots/html/large/Kyle_Chen_1.png).
[ April 29, 2004: Message edited by: Refalm ]
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I like that guys hair in the apple video
I noticed that longshit still has windows xp in the about window. So it is just another update to the NT series. At least it is NT 6.0 and not NT 5.2. longhorn also looks more similar to osx. It sort of has an aqua look to it. I am still unclear as to if longhorn will be totally dependent on the internet and if there will be a monthly/yearly fee to keep using it. If it is this bad, I will probably stay with xp for the rest of my life. At least I have a G5 sitting on the other side of my monitor. What is the story with longhorn now? Is it really as horrible as I have heard?
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Yes, I know people who installed it.
The whole GUI isn't logically build, and it's hard to get work done. It's also filled with useless junk which is only a resource hog (not talking about programs, about all the services you "need").
All Longhorn is, is a Windows XP skin with a .NET toolbar and a modded explorer.exe and crappy effects that are fun for a while, but which you want to disable anyway to get work done faster.
Saying that no one wants this crap would be wrong though. A lot of suckers are going to love this, not knowing that they ripped the GUI off Mac OS X (effects, design).
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All Longhorn is, is a Windows XP skin with a .NET toolbar and a modded explorer.exe and crappy effects that are fun for a while, but which you want to disable anyway to get work done faster.
Don't forget more DRM
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I've installed Longhorn on my computer a year ago, it's the worst piece of bloated crap I've ever used, worse than even XP. Slow as hell, everything looks cramped on small monitors (by 'small' I mean 17 inches or less), full of useless 'features' like an analogue clock without numbers in addition to the one in the taskbar, huge, cluttered menus and panels, and it takes 1.8 fucking gigs on the harddrive. Worst of all, it's ugly as sin, so much that I actually got a headache after using it for one day.
Those screenshots look even worse than what I tested. Look at those huge ass pictures of people smiling like morons! They clutter the file manager, confuse the users and make everything look like a bloody advert! WHY???
[ April 29, 2004: Message edited by: Laukev7 ]
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WHY???
Several reasons:
Microsoft's old target customer was this:
(http://www.bchp.org/images/professional.jpg)
Today, Microsoft's target customer is this:
(http://www.kde.state.ky.us/NR/rdonlyres/epgny52bdjwmw6urokymnin76pdkcanv76ktont3ubsbfmbvdhvuoyrdlx273klnihhjeumwv2qdrtpl2qsbawmc3eh/foto408.jpg)
(and those in the first picture with the IQ of those in the second picture).
The main reason however is this:
(http://www.geo.ucalgary.ca/~malcolm/sheep.jpg)
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I like the way you put it, xeen.
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Originally posted by Laukev7:
I like the way you put it, xeen.
Very true. There are too many sheep who think they need xp, or whatever is new. Look at how many poeple thought they needed windows me when actually 98 can still do everything me can do.
(http://www.geo.ucalgary.ca/~malcolm/sheep.jpg)
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i hate the dude on the apple video he think he knows it all... i would love to kick his ass and take his money and his apple computer and run run run (http://smile.gif)
[ May 01, 2004: Message edited by: mc0282 ]
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Originally posted by mc0282:
i hate the dude on the apple video he think he knows it all... i would love to kick his ass and take his money and his apple computer and run run run (http://smile.gif)
Yeah, but compare it to microsoft promotional videos. Apple actually puts effort and talent into their videos, whereas microsoft uses the guy from The Joy of Painting to do voice-over.
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Am I missing something?
What exactly do a bunch of anti-islamic links have to do with Microsoft's new version of Windows?
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Originally posted by Rio:
Am I missing something?
What exactly do a bunch of anti-islamic links have to do with Microsoft's new version of Windows?
Absolutely nothing. That member (formerly known as Great_Satan (http://forum.microsuck.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_profile&u=00002570)) has been trolling this forum for more than half a year now. I've PM'ed Refalm to ask him to sort this out.
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Btw i am little bit drunk of beer now, and even this dont make me look Longhorn look good for me. This is damn crap,
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I hope they
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Number two looks like your everyday rip-off of Apple?s metal look and boring too.
Looks to me like a rip-off of KDE. Compare that blue and white background to KDE's "default_blue.jpg" wall paper. Damn little difference.
Furthermore, it has a shutter panel on the right-hand side of the screen, which is a QNX rip-off.
No originality there at all: and far uglier than the originals. Looks like another WinME in the making. :D
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[ May 03, 2004: Message edited by: jtpenrod ]
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Reporter: "So Mr.Gates, what are you going to call your new OS?"
Gates:"Win FS, for Windows File System."
Reporter:"How do you come up with these sexy names?"
Gates:"Well, it's really kind of a random thing. Longhorn was kind of random too."
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Originally posted by Refalm:
That black stuff was a pretty good idea, but the latest Longhorn build proves what kind of idiot the designers at Microsoft are.
It was only temporary in that very early build. There hasn't been a leaked build yet with Aero enabled so the UI won't look nearly as good as it will when it's finished.
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Originally posted by WMD:
Oh...why did the build number (3718) decrease? Can they not count? :confused:
How stupid are you? That's like someone showing you a picture of Windows 95 and you're thinking it's newer than 98.
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Originally posted by solarflare:
Why do Microsoft make everything look complicated??
It looks complicated? It's the same fucking interface except for a bar on the side. If you honestly think that is complicated, I hope you never work with anything more complex than a toaster because you'll just be lost
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Originally posted by solarflare:
Longshit looks crap - not even anti-aliasing on the text under the icons!
Again, Aero has not been enabled on any leaked builds yet. Save your bullshit for the release.
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Originally posted by solarflare:
Mac OS X has nothing to fear from this crap!
You're right. Mac OS X is already a piece of shit. The only place it can go is up
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Originally posted by MindFlyer-Paladin9:
I am still unclear as to if longhorn will be totally dependent on the internet and if there will be a monthly/yearly fee to keep using it.
That rumor was destroyed by Microsoft a year or so ago.
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Originally posted by Refalm:
The whole GUI isn't logically build, and it's hard to get work done.
"logically build"? Well, for one, your grammar sucks. Two, the UI is the same as Windows XP but with a side-bar. Third and last of all, It's an ALPHA release. You shouldn't even consider trying to do work on ANYTHING ALPHA.
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Originally posted by Refalm:
All Longhorn is, is a Windows XP skin with a .NET toolbar and a modded explorer.exe and crappy effects that are fun for a while, but which you want to disable anyway to get work done faster.
It's not just XP with a skin. You, sir, are very ignorant and miss-informed. Most of the changes have been done behind the scenes. Explorer is not just "modded"; it's a complete re-write in C#. The effects are just kind of there from XP. Aero and Aero Glass will give a programmer the ability to fully accelerate the UI's graphics with the gpu but those are not yet enabled in the leaked builds.
Again, while there are reasons to hate Microsoft, a leaked ALPHA release of an OS several years away from a full release is just not one of them.
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Originally posted by xeen:
Don't forget more DRM
It won't be as extensive as you're implying.
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Originally posted by yourmom:
Reporter: "So Mr.Gates, what are you going to call your new OS?"
Gates:"Win FS, for Windows File System."
Ignorance strikes again! The new OS is currently codenamed "Longhorn". WinFS is VERY different. WinFS will make searching, finding and organizing files a lot easier than anything currently available for Windows, Apple or Linux.
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Originally posted by yourmom:
Reporter:"How do you come up with these sexy names?"
Gates:"Well, it's really kind of a random thing. Longhorn was kind of random too."
The codenames are not random. The names for APi and certain Microsoft made "technologies" are pretty much self-explanatory. They have pretty decent names that tell you exactly what it is. The code names created by Microsoft (Longhorn, Whidbey, Orcas, Whistler) are names of areas (those are actually areas in the mountains I believe).
I’m not trying to say Windows is the best OS and Microsoft rules, I’m just a little perturbed at the ignorance on this forum. If you’re going to rant about something Microsoft has done, at least do it intelligently and not blindly ignorant like this thread.
[ May 04, 2004: Message edited by: Kasracer ]
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How stupid are you? That's like someone showing you a picture of Windows 95 and you're thinking it's newer than 98.
Got a point there...I was gonna mention this earlier but forgot. Pictures are just from an earlier build..that's all.
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It looks complicated? It's the same fucking interface except for a bar on the side. If you honestly think that is complicated, I hope you never work with anything more complex than a toaster because you'll just be lost
Please expect a long counter response on that statement from me sometime in the upcoming week (too tired and busy today).
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You're right. Mac OS X is already a piece of shit. The only place it can go is up
If you expect people to take you seriously, at least have the courtesy of making a GOOD explanation with examples about why Mac OS X is a piece of shit, why it's so horrible that is has nowhere to go but up, and why it's apparently not worthy of comparison to Windows. Granted, all OSes have their problems, but I seriously doubt you can make an OSX vs XP list with the OSX side with more problems. I'd be really interested in reading that, if you do make such a comparison. FYI: I'm not trying to be biased, just curious. I don't even use a Mac and have only used it like 3 times in my life.
BTW, also please don't make that "why OSX is shit" post in this thread. Start a separate thread in the MacOS section for that.
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That rumor was destroyed by Microsoft a year or so ago.
Obviously someone has a hard time understanding sarcasm.
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"logically build"? Well, for one, your grammar sucks. Two, the UI is the same as Windows XP but with a side-bar. Third and last of all, It's an ALPHA release. You shouldn't even consider trying to do work on ANYTHING ALPHA.
See my second comment in this post.
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It's not just XP with a skin. You, sir, are very ignorant and miss-informed.
How the fuck can you call someone ignorant and miss-informed, when you are about to for the second time in a row you make some pretty outrageous claims without providing any evidence?
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Explorer is not just "modded"; it's a complete re-write
Where the fuck did you hear/see/read this?? Please do not make such claims without proof. Maybe you're right (I doubt it seriously) and maybe you're wrong. But without any proof this is utter nonsense because MS has not re-written Explorer since Windows 95, but has just been adding patches/mods to it. Back up any claims you make if you want to be taken seriously.
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in C#
(http://erudition.calyptos.com/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif)(http://erudition.calyptos.com/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif)(http://erudition.calyptos.com/images/smiles/icon_lol.gif)
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Ignorance strikes again! The new OS is currently codenamed "Longhorn". WinFS is VERY different.
Again you seem to be having trouble identifying sarcasm. I have to admit though, that joke by "yourmom" was pretty lame. (No offense).
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WinFS will make searching, finding and organizing files a lot easier than anything currently available for Windows, Apple or Linux.
(http://graemlins/thumbsup.gif) No comment.
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Originally posted by xeen:
Please expect a long counter response on that statement from me sometime in the upcoming week (too tired and busy today).
If it's arguing against my responce, then don't bother and go back using your toaster.
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Originally posted by xeen:
If you expect people to take you seriously, at least have the courtesy of making a GOOD explanation with examples about why Mac OS X is a piece of shit, why it's so horrible that is has nowhere to go but up, and why it's apparently not worthy of comparison to Windows.
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Originally posted by xeen:
BTW, also please don't make that "why OSX is shit" post in this thread. Start a separate thread in the MacOS section for that.
Make up your fucking mind
I used Mac OS X for a few years working in graphic design. It's a fucking horrible OS, I don't understand how anyone enjoys using it. I'd rather use my Gentoo box for graphics development.
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Originally posted by xeen:
Where the fuck did you hear/see/read this?? Please do not make such claims without proof. Maybe you're right (I doubt it seriously) and maybe you're wrong. But without any proof this is utter nonsense because MS has not re-written Explorer since Windows 95, but has just been adding patches/mods to it. Back up any claims you make if you want to be taken seriously.
This is why I called everyone here ignorant. It was on Microsoft.com at one point. I didn't think I needed any proof because I assumed the posters here would have already known this, but they apparently do not. Next time you're using your "leaked" Longhorn builds, when an error comes up in Explorer, actually read it. A System.Exception will be thrown from the .Net Framework.
Explorer is seperate from Internet Explorer which may be receiving the MSN rendering engine used on the Macintosh last year (it's better than IE's).
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Originally posted by xeen:
No comment.
Journaling FS don't count dammit, however; I do think Microsoft made that claim at one point or another.
BTW, Sarcasm doesn't work via the internet
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I used Mac OS X for a few years working in graphic design. It's a fucking horrible OS, I don't understand how anyone enjoys using it. I'd rather use my Gentoo box for graphics development.
It works better when you turn on the computer.
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Originally posted by Laukev7:
It works better when you turn on the computer.
lol :D
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I used Mac OS X for a few years working in graphic design. It's a fucking horrible OS, I don't understand how anyone enjoys using it. I'd rather use my Gentoo box for graphics development.
Ok..I really didn't think I'd be calling you a total dickhead so soon, but you completely ignored what I said to you.
I said you are free to have an opinion that Mac OSX sucks shit. However, if you expect do be taken seriously then be courteous enough to provide specific EXAMPLES of how it sucks. "It's a fucking horrible OS" is YOUR opinion which you have NOT backed up with any facts. Again, if you say it is shit than please start a thread in the Mac OS section and explain with concrete facts and examples how OSX sucks. (BTW like I said before, I'm not in any way biased toward OSX as I have never even used it).
"It's a fucking horrible OS, I don't understand how anyone enjoys using it." is nothing but an opinion, and one which anyone can say about anything.
You have now lost any credibility you've had since you have failed 3 times in a row in at least 2 threads to provide any facts for any of your claims or any reasons for any of your opinions. Now all you're doing is posting facts with no supportive information, which leads to pointless back and forth arguments.
I'm not trying to be mean to you. But if you don't start backing your claims up with some supportive information, you will soon be considered a troll.
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Originally posted by xeen:
Ok..I really didn't think I'd be calling you a total dickhead so soon, but you completely ignored what I said to you.
I said you are free to have an opinion that Mac OSX sucks shit. However, if you expect do be taken seriously then be courteous enough to provide specific EXAMPLES of how it sucks. "It's a fucking horrible OS" is YOUR opinion which you have NOT backed up with any facts. Again, if you say it is shit than please start a thread in the Mac OS section and explain with concrete facts and examples how OSX sucks. (BTW like I said before, I'm not in any way biased toward OSX as I have never even used it).
"It's a fucking horrible OS, I don't understand how anyone enjoys using it." is nothing but an opinion, and one which anyone can say about anything.
Saying an OS is horrible is always an opinion. It cannot be factually proven otherwise the OS would not be used. There is no straight "facts" proving windows sucks either otherwise it wouldn't be as popular and Microsoft would change it asap (they are not stupid).
You contradicted yourself in your previous post, yet I ignored you? That's like someone saying "kill this person" and then later "don't kill this person", then you start bitching because they did or didn't kill the person.
My experience with OS X was absolutely horrible. There is no examples I can give you that can be 100% proven with links because it happened to me. What happened to me are not listed as major flaws or anything like that (which you're expecting).
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Originally posted by xeen:
You have now lost any credibility you've had since you have failed 3 times in a row in at least 2 threads to provide any facts for any of your claims or any reasons for any of your opinions. Now all you're doing is posting facts with no supportive information, which leads to pointless back and forth arguments.
I lost my credibility? You told me NOT to post the reasons in this thread dipshit and I'm not going to bother to create a new thread just to rant on OS X because that isn't what I do. I only came here to clear up a lot of the ignorant comments being spread across this horribly-run community.
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Originally posted by xeen:
I'm not trying to be mean to you. But if you don't start backing your claims up with some supportive information, you will soon be considered a troll.
It has already been proven that I am a troll, however; all of the information I have said and presented has been true up to this point.
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You really are an idiot. What do you expect from an anti-ms site? Nice, intelligent discussion about the good and bad of MS, compared to Apple, and the many Linux Distros? That ship sailed YEARS ago at the place. Move on, go troll someplace else. The MES isn't worth it.
If this were my forum, you would have been banned after your first post.
Its nice to talk shit without any facts to back it up. I can sit here and talk shit about windows all day with no facts to back it up, in fact, thats what most of us do ;)
Yet, you come here, and do exactly that, talk shit about OSX with nothing to back it up, while at the same time, talking shit because we bash MS on an anti-MS site. Grow up.
EDIT: For the record, the windows interface defies all logic. its anti-intuitive, and actually hinders productivity. Too much screen real-estate is wasted by menus and tools, and "fluff", unlike OSX, OS9, and several different DEs in Linux. I have increased my productivity since moving to OSX from windows 2 years ago. I get more done on a mac, than I ever have on windows.
[ May 05, 2004: Message edited by: Lime ]
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My experience with OS X was absolutely horrible. There is no examples I can give you that can be 100% proven with links because it happened to me. What happened to me are not listed as major flaws or anything like that (which you're expecting).
No that was not what I was expecting. I was expecting ANY kind of support for what you're claiming. Please explain beyong just saying "it crashed a lot". What were you doing when it crashed? What exactly crashed? (I've almost never heard of a crashing program bringing down all of OSX). This is what we call details. You can't expect to be treated well when you come here, state that OSX is shit, and state some other bs facts that you then claim "you shouldn't say where you got them".
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It has already been proven that I am a troll
Yes, it has. And as of now you will be treated as one.
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Here are some new screenshots of Longhorn build 4074.
Looks like they got rid of the "Start" in the Start Menu button. Again I have to ask, why the fuck do we need that analog clock there in that huge waste of screen space sidebar? Especially, why do we need BOTH an analog clock and a digital clock right next to it? This is just absurd. (http://graemlins/displeased.gif) :
1 (http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/4074_ui_01.gif)
Looks like the sidebar has a whole shitload of crap pre-installed. Of course, MS sheeple will enjoy this bloat. But professionals do not want it there. And knowing Microsoft, it is all uninstallable. Example: Why should an OS have a news-feed thingy pre-installed by default. This is the kind of thing that people who want can just go and download. It shouldn't be there automatically. And since most of the population don't know shit, it will sit there on most people's sidebar wasting CPU resources, memory, and bandwidth:
2 (http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/4074_ui_02.gif)
3 (http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/4074_ui_03.gif)
Can someone explain to me the purpose of that huge title bar of the My Computer Explorer window? How about the purpose of that huge pane that says "12 items in this folder":
4 (http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/4074_ui_04.gif)
In summary, can anyone explain to me how Microsoft seriously expects anyone beyond the age 12 and those with a reasonable IQ to use this piece of shit?
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Even with Avalon it looks like crap. (http://graemlins/displeased.gif)
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Now for two more bad jokes:
Joke1:
Consumer:"Can you help me with my Windows Machine?"
Service Tech:"Sure, what's the problem."
Consumer:"It sucks. It just plain sucks."
Tech:"Well just type in format C:/, hit Y, and all your problems will go away in a few minutes. Be sure to pick up a real OS on your way out."
Joke2:
"Generic rule of thumb: If Microsoft says something is 'smart', be on the lookout for something dumb."
[ May 06, 2004: Message edited by: yourmom ]
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Originally posted by Lime:
You really are an idiot.
Irony
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Originally posted by Lime:
If this were my forum, you would have been banned after your first post.
I would not join a forum as anal as yours. If you honestly would have banned me for what I've done here so far, you must have very bad people skills. I've done nothing wrong.
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Originally posted by Lime:
Grow up.
Grow up? You're bashing MS over mostly ignorance and complaining about things in an ALPHA OS, yet I need to grow up? Hypocrite
Just because this website is anti-MS doesn't mean the users should hate MS because of their own ignorance.
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Originally posted by Lime:
EDIT: For the record, the windows interface defies all logic. its anti-intuitive, and actually hinders productivity. Too much screen real-estate is wasted by menus and tools, and "fluff", unlike OSX, OS9, and several different DEs in Linux. I have increased my productivity since moving to OSX from windows 2 years ago. I get more done on a mac, than I ever have on windows.
Hinders productivity? What kind of idiot are you that a little task bar and a menu hinders your productivity? Most programs that are available for Windows and Mac use virtually the same UI and if you want to complain about menus and tools, talk to the software makers. All of the menus in Windows are customizable and you can even skin it to look and even behave exactly like Mac OS X if you wanted. Your problem is that you're lazy.
Also, if you want to talk about Microsoft taking up space, the dock wastes so much more space than the taskbar. Huge icons for the poor vision folks and bouncing icons is just dumb. Personally, I like fluxbox's look and feel out of any UI.
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Originally posted by xeen:
No that was not what I was expecting. I was expecting ANY kind of support for what you're claiming. Please explain beyong just saying "it crashed a lot". What were you doing when it crashed? What exactly crashed? (I've almost never heard of a crashing program bringing down all of OSX). This is what we call details. You can't expect to be treated well when you come here, state that OSX is shit, and state some other bs facts that you then claim "you shouldn't say where you got them".
Most of the time, it was a CD-ROM that had thousands of clip art images on it and a browser for them. If you went through them too fast, the system would become slow and unresponcive. After a while, it almost always locked the program. When trying to end the program, OS X always crashed.
Also, if anyone was using a lot of memory with a very very large picture in photoshop, it would crash after about an hour of use. OS X also crashed about half the time someone would go to a website with flash on it, though it was using the piece of shit IE.
Also, none of my facts are BS. All of them but the TCP/IP improvements can be easily found on Microsoft's MSDN. The only thing I said I shouldn't say was the TCP/IP improvements, but I gave such a huge fucking clue that you'd have to have an IQ of a 10 year old not to figure it out.
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Originally posted by xeen:
Yes, it has. And as of now you will be treated as one.
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Originally posted by xeen:
Looks like they got rid of the "Start" in the Start Menu button. Again I have to ask, why the fuck do we need that analog clock there in that huge waste of screen space sidebar? Especially, why do we need BOTH an analog clock and a digital clock right next to it? This is just absurd. (http://graemlins/displeased.gif) :
1 (http://www.winsupersite.com/images/showcase/4074_ui_01.gif)
I believe they turned that off by default now, so the person probably enabled it afterwards (though I agree it's a lot of wasted space)
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Originally posted by xeen:
Looks like the sidebar has a whole shitload of crap pre-installed. Of course, MS sheeple will enjoy this bloat. But professionals do not want it there. And knowing Microsoft, it is all uninstallable. Example: Why should an OS have a news-feed thingy pre-installed by default. This is the kind of thing that people who want can just go and download. It shouldn't be there automatically. And since most of the population don't know shit, it will sit there on most people's sidebar wasting CPU resources, memory, and bandwidth:
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I also do not like the sidebar, however; it is removable and completely customizable (or, at least it will be in the finished product).
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Originally posted by xeen:
In summary, can anyone explain to me how Microsoft seriously expects anyone beyond the age 12 and those with a reasonable IQ to use this piece of shit?
Avalon will make it worth while. That and all of this stuff you complained about is customizable and can be removed/turned off (or will be in the final release).
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Originally posted by Laukev7:
Even with Avalon it looks like crap. (http://graemlins/displeased.gif)
1. That is DES. Avalon isn't near finished yet
2. That is a skin, not what Longhorn actually looks like after installation.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Rally, well I'm a lot perturbed at your own ignorance and stupidity that you have posted so far!
You can't call me ignorant and stupid in a sentence which defies all grammar rules.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Alot of the problems that people rant about here are genuine complaints of M$. To which m$ have been doing for years!
Personaly I, and a lot of other people are sick with the wasted problems that m$ is creating. So we bring awarness of that fact and offer alternatives.
I know there is a lot of problems with MS. I don't like a lot of different things they do, but the things that are argued about here never seem to be genuine complains but, instead; complaints just to complain. For instance, I like the C# language (not better than I like C++ though), however; since it was created internally at Microsoft, they made sure it was tied into their propritary framework. I know C# and the CRL are both standardized but no one has made actual standard compilers for C# (and no, mono does not count. It ported the propritary framework. That isn't a standardized compiler).
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Windows, is and always will be hard to use. I have no idea where the hell you got your toaster analagy since a toster will do what its ment to do. Make toast! Not crash, spred virii or any other nonsense crap.
I don't see how anyone finds Windows hard to use. My grandparents bought an e-machine that came with WindowsXP. They figured out how to do everything they needed to do within minutes from setting up their ISP to installing Office and using it.
If my grandparents can do it easily, there is no way in hell no one else can't.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
If you were so 'upset' then all you have to do is go somewhere else!
Where did I say I was upset? Perturbed != Upset
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Go away little troll. Go wast your money on the next M$ fan product. But stop whining on here.
I don't waste my money with MS stuff. I get it heavily discounted from either Microsoft employees or from my Work. I also have gotten stuff from Microsoft's Beta testing program and Retail training program. I spent a total of $50 for Windows XP Pro and Office 2003 Professional. $50 is nothing and for the record, I wasn't whinning, I was trolling but unlike most trolls, I actually say things that are true.
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the things that are argued about here never seem to be genuine complains
That's your opinion and you are free to have it. I'm not gonna speak for others but my complaints about MS and their software are in fact genuine.
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I don't see how anyone finds Windows hard to use.
I actually agree with you here, and don't agree with Solaris. Windows is not hard to use. The problem however, is that it is now become TOO childlike with way too much eye candy so that the even the biggest retard can use Windows. There is a line between easy and what I like to call fisher-price-like. ANd yes, don't bother telling me that this stuff can easily be turned off. I know that perfectly well, and as I promised before I will also tell you the problem with these all these features (besides the bloat). (It's late and I"m tired now..but I will probably post a good explanation tomorrow).
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I actually say things that are true.
Maybe you do and maybe you don't. But for the things you've been saying before you haven't presented any proof. Anyone can just as easily make a claim and then say it's true, but without support you're lacking credibility.
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I spent a total of $50 for Windows XP Pro and Office 2003 Professional.
I stopped using Microsoft Office COMPLETELY a little over a year ago and have been using OpenOffice ever since. I use it for everything - personal essays, term papers, research papers, lab reports, etc.. My computer will never again see a Microsoft Office CD in it. I couldn't be happier with OpenOffice. Give it a try.
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I was trolling
Well at least we agree on something else! Now I see why you were banned on at least 2 other forums :D
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Originally posted by xeen:
The problem however, is that it is now become TOO childlike with way too much eye candy so that the even the biggest retard can use Windows.
Heh, I agree with this. There are a lot of things power users could really tweak but Microsoft won't let you (the scope of which I'm talking about goes beyond 3rd party utilities and TweakUI, like the kernel). I remember an interview on a popular tech site (don't remember which one) where someone asked Microsoft if they would ever let power users really tweak a lot of settings in the underlying parts of the OS. Microsoft just basically said "no, we want a more user friendly environment". Bastards
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Originally posted by xeen:
Maybe you do and maybe you don't. But for the things you've been saying before you haven't presented any proof. Anyone can just as easily make a claim and then say it's true, but without support you're lacking credibility.
Let me make a confession. I am a very lazy person and my true goal was mostly to troll here (since it's an anti-MS website, there is no way in hell I was going to sway anyone's opinion even if it is made up of only ignorant things) so I didn't really feel the need to post any proof. Everything I've said thus far, however; is all locatable on the MSDN (except for the TCP/IP benchmarks) so if anyone here actually wants to learn a little more about Microsoft, they can. If they don't want to, then they don't. I'm not going to shove it down their throats.
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Originally posted by xeen:
I stopped using Microsoft Office COMPLETELY a little over a year ago and have been using OpenOffice ever since. I use it for everything - personal essays, term papers, research papers, lab reports, etc.. My computer will never again see a Microsoft Office CD in it. I couldn't be happier with OpenOffice. Give it a try.
I tried OpenOffice. It doesn't have as many features and a lot of different scripts and such I use for numbering my papers, putting names on them, ect don't work with it. Instead, it spits out wierd characters in their place. I used to use Office XP and, honestly; it really fucking sucked. Especially OutlookXP. But after using Office 2003 a few times, I can definately say they improved it. The UI doesn't look very pleasant as default but that can be turned off. Other than that, I haven't noticed any problems with 2003 as I did with XP.
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Originally posted by xeen:
Well at least we agree on something else! Now I see why you were banned on at least 2 other forums :D
Doing a little research are we? heh!
Depends on which two forums you are refering too. I haven't been banned yet from a forum for trolling because I never do it.
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quote (http://redface.gif) riginally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Rally, well I'm a lot perturbed at your own ignorance and stupidity that you have posted so far!
You can't call me ignorant and stupid in a sentence which defies all grammar rules.
Yes, I can! The fact that you mention grammer. Grammer trolls don't get any points.
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I know there is a lot of problems with MS. I don't like a lot of different things they do, but the things that are argued about here never seem to be genuine complains but, instead; complaints just to complain. For instance, I like the C# language (not better than I like C++ though), however; since it was created internally at Microsoft, they made sure it was tied into their propritary framework. I know C# and the CRL are both standardized but no one has made actual standard compilers for C# (and no, mono does not count. It ported the propritary framework. That isn't a standardized compiler).
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Hmmm, The majority of complaints I see are legit. I.E the major virii that crops up. Pluse proprietory tie ins.
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I don't see how anyone finds Windows hard to use. My grandparents bought an e-machine that came with WindowsXP. They figured out how to do everything they needed to do within minutes from setting up their ISP to installing Office and using it.
If my grandparents can do it easily, there is no way in hell no one else can't.
The above can also go with Linux and OSX just to name a few. My parents are techno-illiterate. But guess what. They can install any software they want and use any app they want in linux without the "EXEPTION IN DLL32" errors poping up. Worrying about AV's or scan checking every second day.
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Where did I say I was upset? Perturbed != Upset
Yes. It means that you are annoyed. Well quit your bitchin.
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I don't waste my money with MS stuff. I get it heavily discounted from either Microsoft employees or from my Work. I also have gotten stuff from Microsoft's Beta testing program and Retail training program. I spent a total of $50 for Windows XP Pro and Office 2003 Professional. $50 is nothing and for the record, I wasn't whinning, I was trolling but unlike most trolls, I actually say things that are true.
Welp. Alot of people arn't as lucky as you to get things discounted with M$. You have to fork over a lot of money or piret the shit out of it and in the end its still gonna be a shitty product which ever way you go.
At least you admit being a troll, I guess thats pluse one for you. Your now at -1. But the fact is your still whinning.
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But after using Office 2003 a few times, I can definately say they improved it.
They sure did...they spent so much time and money DRM-ing Office 2003...and it got hacked within 2 weeks of the release (not that I'm complaining) (http://graemlins/thumbsup.gif)
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since it was created internally at Microsoft, they made sure it was tied into their propritary framework.....I know C# and the CRL are both standardized but no one has made actual standard compilers for C#
I think you're missing the entire point of a proprietary programming language. The whole point of it is that nobody but MS can make a compiler for it, since only they know the inner-workings of the language. And NO, C# is NOT a standard. A standard is something that is accepted by a significant number of professional organizations worldwide and is adopted for thousands of devices/techonologies (like MP3, MPEG, ISO, C/C++, Java, IDE, PCI, USB, etc..) That has NOT happened with C#, I hope it never does, and I doubt it will. Maybe I'm missing something here... :confused:
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Let me make a confession. I am a very lazy person and my true goal was mostly to troll here
Eh...well I forgive you. You kinda ticked me off but now you seem like you're capable of participating in good discussions, and we're always looking for decent members. Just don't troll anymore.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Yes, I can! The fact that you mention grammer. Grammer trolls don't get any points.
Your english teacher is stabbing him or herself in the head repeadily right now. Grammar.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Hmmm, The majority of complaints I see are legit. I.E the major virii that crops up. Pluse proprietory tie ins.
Mac OS X and Linux are both very prone to viruses. While Windows does usually get more viruses than other OSes, when other OSes get them, it's usually quite bad. There was a recent OS X virus that was going around that really crippled a lot of systems and there is almost no virus scanning software for OS X so a lot of Mac users were uberly fucked.
Elaborate on what you mean by "proprietory tie ins".
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
The above can also go with Linux and OSX just to name a few. My parents are techno-illiterate. But guess what. They can install any software they want and use any app they want in linux without the "EXEPTION IN DLL32" errors poping up. Worrying about AV's or scan checking every second day.
With my entire "career" of using Windows, I have NEVER seen an "EXEPTION IN DLL32". I've seen exceptions thrown by poorly made software, but other than that... nothing. You can't blame MS for shitty 3rd party software.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Welp. Alot of people arn't as lucky as you to get things discounted with M$. You have to fork over a lot of money or piret the shit out of it and in the end its still gonna be a shitty product which ever way you go.
It's MS, not M$ (saying M$, in my mind, just makes a person look retarded). Secondly, there are ways for a lot of average users to get discounted Microsoft software. OEM software from places like NewEgg.com, join the betaplace.com, go work for a retailer who sells Microsoft software, if you go to school you can usually get any MS product for free, and you could even lie and just sign up with a retailer at the retail.microsoft site to get stuff basically for free (they never call the retailer, though some swear they do).
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
At least you admit being a troll, I guess thats pluse one for you. Your now at -1. But the fact is your still whinning.
You're whinning about me whinning so I fail to see the relavence in your arguement towards me.
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Originally posted by xeen:
They sure did...they spent so much time and money DRM-ing Office 2003...and it got hacked within 2 weeks of the release (not that I'm complaining)
I, personally, think all DRM and anti-copy "technologies" are made just to keep shareholders happy and to annoy legit users. There has yet to be any software that hasn't been cracked within the first month from its release. However, no more DRM than what was in Office XP went into office 2003. It's pretty much the same with activation over the net.
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Originally posted by xeen:
I think you're missing the entire point of a proprietary programming language. The whole point of it is that nobody but MS can make a compiler for it, since only they know the inner-workings of the language. And NO, C# is NOT a standard. A standard is something that is accepted by a significant number of professional organizations worldwide and is adopted for thousands of devices/techonologies (like MP3, MPEG, ISO, C/C++, Java, IDE, PCI, USB, etc..) That has NOT happened with C#, I hope it never does, and I doubt it will. Maybe I'm missing something here...
The specifications can be downloaded for free from the MSDN. They fully describe everything within the C# language in 1.2 and 2.0. C# IS[/i] standardized along with the CLR, however; no standardized compilers have been made yet (mono can compile C# but it compiles it with the mono framework so it's still a form of propritary BS). Also, Java is not a standardized language. Sun refuses to make it a standard language.
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Originally posted by xeen:
Eh...well I forgive you. You kinda ticked me off but now you seem like you're capable of participating in good discussions, and we're always looking for decent members. Just don't troll anymore.
Ha!
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Originally posted by Kasracer:
"logically build"? Well, for one, your grammar sucks.
hey fuck off, refalm is from the netherlands
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Kasracer: "logically build"? Well, for one, your grammar sucks. Two, the UI is the same as Windows XP but with a side-bar. Third and last of all, It's an ALPHA release. You shouldn't even consider trying to do work on ANYTHING ALPHA.
First of all, I think I'm pretty good at English considering I'm someone who went to a school for kids with learning disabilities (here see, I don't even know if I spelled "disabilities" wrong or right).
I think an alpha release shows a bit what the end result will look like. I see now that you have a full day of tweaking "Longhorn" before it becomes usable.
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Kasracer: It's not just XP with a skin. You, sir, are very ignorant and miss-informed. Most of the changes have been done behind the scenes. Explorer is not just "modded"; it's a complete re-write in C#. The effects are just kind of there from XP. Aero and Aero Glass will give a programmer the ability to fully accelerate the UI's graphics with the gpu but those are not yet enabled in the leaked builds.
Again, while there are reasons to hate Microsoft, a leaked ALPHA release of an OS several years away from a full release is just not one of them.
I've actually programmed C# in VS .NET( I'm not very good at programming btw) for a year, and I noticed that compiling and running programs is slower than programming in C++ in Kate or even VB 6 in VS 6.
And I'm not talking about the effects already present in Windows XP, I'm talking about the effects that you see in the movies I placed in the first post of this thread. It's not really accelerating anything, is it?
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Your english teacher is stabbing him or herself in the head repeadily right now. Grammar.
Again with the grammar. Again shows what an un original idiot you are.
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Mac OS X and Linux are both very prone to viruses. While Windows does usually get more viruses than other OSes, when other OSes get them, it's usually quite bad. There was a recent OS X virus that was going around that really crippled a lot of systems and there is almost no virus scanning software for OS X so a lot of Mac users were uberly fucked.
Where is the proof please? I have not seen one Linux or OSX virus!
And how do these alternative OS'es get 'quite bad'? when they get infected?
However windows gets them in spades and really are quite bad.
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Elaborate on what you mean by "proprietory tie ins".
The idea of outlook being tied into the OS itself. If Outlook crashes so does the whole OS.
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With my entire "career" of using Windows, I have NEVER seen an "EXEPTION IN DLL32". I've seen exceptions thrown by poorly made software, but other than that... nothing. You can't blame MS for shitty 3rd party software.
Hehe Must of been a short career! I like the fact you blame 3rd party poorly made software. However BSD and Linux can run fine on said software. What about brand new machines? A $3000.00 laptop shouldn't have a BSOD or the os should not slow down to a complete crawl in only a month. This happens in windows. If your career expanded more than a day those errors pop up quite frequently and are present on ALL m$ OS'es.
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It's MS, not M$ (saying M$, in my mind, just makes a person look retarded).
its M$ not MS and if you think thats retarded you should listen to yourself speek!
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Secondly, there are ways for a lot of average users to get discounted Microsoft software. OEM software from places like NewEgg.com, join the betaplace.com, go work for a retailer who sells Microsoft software, if you go to school you can usually get any MS product for free, and you could even lie and just sign up with a retailer at the retail.microsoft site to get stuff basically for free (they never call the retailer, though some swear they do).
Yea. I should sign up to a site for a 'beta' product. Second the majority of people are not OEMS and why should I work for a retailer to resive a crappy product. And I have gotten M$ software for free through education. Guess what its still crap!
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You're whinning about me whinning so I fail to see the relavence in your arguement towards me.
Man you really are an idiot! How am I whinning when your blabbering about such idiotic ignorance?
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However, no more DRM than what was in Office XP went into office 2003. It's pretty much the same with activation over the net.
That's not what I was talking about. I was talking about how much of the Office 2003 hype was that it has tons of features that allow companies to DRM their documents that are created by Word, Excel, etc... Even to the point where taking a screenshot of an Office program with the document open wouldn't work to copy it. All this stuff was easily broken by fellow programmers. (Once again, I ain't complaining). I don't like DRM.
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Where is the proof please? I have not seen one Linux or OSX virus!
Dude comeon, there are viruses for every OS, including Linux and Mac. Visit the Symantec site for proof.
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Secondly, there are ways for a lot of average users to get discounted Microsoft software.
And here I thought all Microsoft software was free. :D
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Dude comeon, there are viruses for every OS, including Linux and Mac. Visit the Symantec site for proof.
I don't mean proof of consept viruses, but ones that actualy exploit a machine just like Microsoft$.
In all my years of using Linux I have never even heard of a unix or unix like clone getting a virus that did any harm.
if anything its exploit.c that may take advantage of a certain program like kmail but not everyone uses kmail and most new distros are easy to keep up to date with the latest patches that wont break the entire system.
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just some links to back up my stand point.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/ (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/)
http://librenix.com/?inode=21 (http://librenix.com/?inode=21)
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Originally posted by The Stiller:
hey fuck off, refalm is from the netherlands
Ha, I didn't even realize he was an admin. I hit quote just to see if I was banned or not (http://tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by Refalm:
I think an alpha release shows a bit what the end result will look like. I see now that you have a full day of tweaking "Longhorn" before it becomes usable.
It doesn't show what the end result will look like because it's all going to be replaced when Avalon and Aero are completed. DES has already been partially implemented but requires effort to enable.
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Originally posted by Refalm:
I've actually programmed C# in VS .NET( I'm not very good at programming btw) for a year, and I noticed that compiling and running programs is slower than programming in C++ in Kate or even VB 6 in VS 6.
C# and VB.Net are actually a lot faster than VB6. In fact, most benchmarks suggest 50% quicker in .Net than previous VB run-times. C++, however; will always be uber fast compared to .Net languages because .Net languages are compiled when you first run the application, and a second compiler compiles as you are running the application.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Again with the grammar. Again shows what an un original idiot you are.
You call me an idiot because you can't even spell and type at least somewhat decently? pfft
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Where is the proof please? I have not seen one Linux or OSX virus!
And how do these alternative OS'es get 'quite bad'? when they get infected?
It was in the news that OS X had a big vulnerability which could be exploited. I believe Norton has a few viruses logged from OS X but not that many. Linux has had some as well. It can get bad because no one expects a virus on OS X or Linux and then if they get one, they're fucked. Though if I would ever get a virus on any OS, I'd immediately format (I haven't gotten a virus since 1997 and that was because I infected myself with 405 different viruses before I formatted to see what happened).
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However windows gets them in spades and really are quite bad.
I agree with this, however; viruses are very easily preventable. I think it's either a lack of knowledge about computers, or laziness.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
The idea of outlook being tied into the OS itself. If Outlook crashes so does the whole OS.
Outlook is not tied to the OS. No software seperate from Windows is completely tied into the OS. It may use registry entries and API hooks, but other than that, it is not. I've NEVER seen any Microsoft piece of software crash the OS because it crashed and it's "tied to the OS".
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Hehe Must of been a short career! I like the fact you blame 3rd party poorly made software. However BSD and Linux can run fine on said software. What about brand new machines? A $3000.00 laptop shouldn't have a BSOD or the os should not slow down to a complete crawl in only a month. This happens in windows. If your career expanded more than a day those errors pop up quite frequently and are present on ALL m$ OS'es.
BSD and Linux have open-source software for most things. If a program sucks and is poorly written, someone can go re-write it. In fact, it happens all of the time. You can't compare open-source to commercial gook like you're trying to. They are entirely two different beasts and yes, almost all problems with the Windows OS (actual problems, not complaints) are caused by 3rd party software. No one understands how to write 3rd party software correctly. They seem to go into it half-assed knowing a little bit about a language (I swear I've had someone ask me how to package a .Net program at least twice a week. LEARN ABOUT THE FUCKING LANGUAGE YOU'RE PROGRAMMING IN! :mad: ). Also, I have a $2,000 laptop. It has worked strongly for the past 9 months with out one format. Neither Gentoo, nor Windows XP (dual boot) slow down AT ALL. They both operate as if it's the day they got installed.
I also started using Windows back with Windows 3.1 and I've never seen a "DLL EXCEPTION". I've seen exceptions, but it never said it was specifically due to a DLL. Most of the times if I get them (I haven't seen one in years not counting the programs I've written which I've thrown exceptions on purpose before) it means bad ram.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
its M$ not MS and if you think thats retarded you should listen to yourself speek!
That is about the dumbest thing I've heard on this website thus far.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Yea. I should sign up to a site for a 'beta' product. Second the majority of people are not OEMS and why should I work for a retailer to resive a crappy product. And I have gotten M$ software for free through education. Guess what its still crap!
Yet I get bitched at for not providing facts when I say something is crap. Also, no shit the majority of people are not "original equipment manufacturer". Idiot. I'm willing to bet that roughly 75%-80% of all MS software is sold OEM.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Man you really are an idiot! How am I whinning when your blabbering about such idiotic ignorance?
Wow, just wow.... really man, if you have to ask a question whinningly, it's quite obvious that's you're whinning about my bitching. Just shut the fuck up you stupid moron.
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Originally posted by xeen:
That's not what I was talking about. I was talking about how much of the Office 2003 hype was that it has tons of features that allow companies to DRM their documents that are created by Word, Excel, etc... Even to the point where taking a screenshot of an Office program with the document open wouldn't work to copy it. All this stuff was easily broken by fellow programmers. (Once again, I ain't complaining). I don't like DRM.
I hate DRM as well, but I haven't not heard about this at all. I even used Office 2003 a few times and never even noticed it. Oh well, I won't be touching anything made with DRM.
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Originally posted by xeen:
And here I thought all Microsoft software was free. :D
It can be ;)
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
In all my years of using Linux I have never even heard of a unix or unix like clone getting a virus that did any harm.
You must not have been using unix for long at all. You never heard of the The Thompson Hack (http://www.acm.org/classics/sep95/)? That is definately not an exploit since it is malicious in nature.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
if anything its exploit.c that may take advantage of a certain program like kmail but not everyone uses kmail and most new distros are easy to keep up to date with the latest patches that wont break the entire system.
I honestly hope you do not use kmail. That is such a horrible program. I cannot STAND it. Evolution > *
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
just some links to back up my stand point.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/ (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/)
http://librenix.com/?inode=21 (http://librenix.com/?inode=21)
They do not back up your statements at all. The first is a link to a biased article writting to compare apples to apples when both are not apples.
If Linux and OS X became more popular, you'd see a SHITLOAD more viruses on both platforms. It might even become as many as what is on Windows but since you're currently in the minority, no one gives a shit about you. Virus writters like to prey on the stupid and weak, and since all PCs are sold with Windows on them, most PC users are stupid... and probably weak (heh).
That was a half-assed explination but your arguement is half-assed.
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I've NEVER seen any Microsoft piece of software crash the OS because it crashed and it's "tied to the OS".
Happens too often with Windows Media Player. WHen the piece of shit crashes, too often the OS goes down too. Don't tell me this isn't true because it happens to me at least once a week. Doesn't happen with other media players though.
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If Linux and OS X became more popular, you'd see a SHITLOAD more viruses on both platforms. It might even become as many as what is on Windows but since you're currently in the minority, no one gives a shit about you. Virus writters like to prey on the stupid and weak, and since all PCs are sold with Windows on them, most PC users are stupid... and probably weak (heh).
That was a half-assed explination but your arguement is half-assed.
this is the half-asses responce that everyone defending window's virus problem gives. it's almost comical to think that you actually believe that when linux or osx or whatever overtakes windows that all the virus writting kiddies will be able to continue to affect a unix-based system.
windows is vulnerable to virii because MS didn't make it secure enough. it is insane to become 'infected' by reading email! there is no reason a system should be allowed to become that weak
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You call me an idiot because you can't even spell and type at least somewhat decently? pfft
I call you an idiot for being so damn ignorant. That and the fact you still \ grammer troll. One thing to be un-original, another to be both unoriginal and repetative.
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It was in the news that OS X had a big vulnerability which could be exploited. I believe Norton has a few viruses logged from OS X but not that many. Linux has had some as well. It can get bad because no one expects a virus on OS X or Linux and then if they get one, they're fucked. Though if I would ever get a virus on any OS, I'd immediately format (I haven't gotten a virus since 1997 and that was because I infected myself with 405 different viruses before I formatted to see what happened).
I've checked the list. There are no real virous threats out there for MacOSX and/or Linux. No they would not be fucked since it has to happen first in the wild.
Since this MacOSX virous thing is in the news at least provide a link, otherwize as usual your talking out of your arse.
You infected yourself. Good going idiot.
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I agree with this, however; viruses are very easily preventable. I think it's either a lack of knowledge about computers, or laziness.
Lack of knowledge is one thing but bad M$ software is a nother.
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Outlook is not tied to the OS. No software seperate from Windows is completely tied into the OS. It may use registry entries and API hooks, but other than that, it is not. I've NEVER seen any Microsoft piece of software crash the OS because it crashed and it's "tied to the OS".
Of course not! You had a career that lasted one day. And yes it is tied to the OS. I've seen outlook crash and bring down the OS so has billions of other people. Google to see...
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BSD and Linux have open-source software for most things. If a program sucks and is poorly written, someone can go re-write it. In fact, it happens all of the time. You can't compare open-source to commercial gook like you're trying to. They are entirely two different beasts and yes, almost all problems with the Windows OS (actual problems, not complaints) are caused by 3rd party software. No one understands how to write 3rd party software correctly. They seem to go into it half-assed knowing a little bit about a language (I swear I've had someone ask me how to package a .Net program at least twice a week. LEARN ABOUT THE FUCKING LANGUAGE YOU'RE PROGRAMMING IN! ). Also, I have a $2,000 laptop. It has worked strongly for the past 9 months with out one format. Neither Gentoo, nor Windows XP (dual boot) slow down AT ALL. They both operate as if it's the day they got installed.
Sure, keep blaming other people. I'm not comparing Open Source with windows. What I am comparing though is the quality of the OS. It seems then that even M$ windows programmers don't know what they are writing in. Only the virus makers.
Good for you that your laptop works. many people I know can't stand windows just because it did crash on a brand new system. So if 3rd party drivers were at fault then why does a brand new system crash?
No OSX hasn't done this comming right off the shelf.
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I also started using Windows back with Windows 3.1 and I've never seen a "DLL EXCEPTION". I've seen exceptions, but it never said it was specifically due to a DLL. Most of the times if I get them (I haven't seen one in years not counting the programs I've written which I've thrown exceptions on purpose before) it means bad ram.
If it is bad ram then why does the same machine work flaulessly in Linux/Unix??? I've also used windows since Windows3.1 and guess what ever since Windows 95 and up I've seen millions of error messages. Usualy because of a currupt registr, a bad dll file somewhere in the system or one has forgot that windows does need a scan check and a defrag every couple of days. Then there is the bloat, spyware, malware, virouses etc..... That could also cause a problem.
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That is about the dumbest thing I've heard on this website thus far.
Post another comment and that will be the dumbest thing you've heard so far.
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Yet I get bitched at for not providing facts when I say something is crap.
You got bitched at because your not providing facts. You just provided free links to pick up bad softare. Thats not a fact. Now how about that OSX artical you keep mentioning?
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Also, no shit the majority of people are not "original equipment manufacturer". Idiot. I'm willing to bet that roughly 75%-80% of all MS software is sold OEM.
I agree. So why do OEM's crash. Why are they so unstable? Arn't they pre-built with windows in mind?
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Wow, just wow.... really man, if you have to ask a question whinningly, it's quite obvious that's you're whinning about my bitching. Just shut the fuck up you stupid moron.
Haha, yes you should take your own advice. Just shut the fuck up you stupid moron.
And your the only one whinning here. See posts you have made above.
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You must not have been using unix for long at all. You never heard of the The Thompson Hack? That is definately not an exploit since it is malicious in nature.
If your talking about bliss, then you really are an idiot! The 'Thompson hack' and Bliss were consept viruses to bring awarness that it is possible to infect Linux/Unix. But if you followed the link you would realize why it is virtualy impossible in the real world to infext Linux/Unix/OSX vs M$ Os'es.
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I honestly hope you do not use kmail. That is such a horrible program. I cannot STAND it. Evolution > *
Well, I don't use kmail. But I don't use evolution eather. But that is your opinion if you do not like that particular program.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/ (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/)
http://librenix.com/?inode=21 (http://librenix.com/?inode=21)
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They do not back up your statements at all. The first is a link to a biased article writting to compare apples to apples when both are not apples.
Sure, what I provide is 'biast.' But what ever you say is fact even when your planly talking out of your arse!
At least IU provided links not pull things right out of the air.
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If Linux and OS X became more popular, you'd see a SHITLOAD more viruses on both platforms.
That is just as dumb as saying that the world is flat!!! Apache is the most widly used server OS on Linux and guess what its not nearly as vulnrable as Windows and IIS. Linux IS more secure. You can believe what you want but you cant change the facts.
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It might even become as many as what is on Windows but since you're currently in the minority, no one gives a shit about you.
Everyday I meet at least one person who is sick of what windows is causing them and that is another Linux user as far as i'm the minority.
Well Linux, it seems is, surpassing OSX on the desktop. It has already surpassed windows on the server.
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Virus writters like to prey on the stupid and weak, and since all PCs are sold with Windows on them, most PC users are stupid... and probably weak (heh).
No doubt. That and coupled with a weak OS like M$ spells trouble.
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That was a half-assed explination but your arguement is half-assed.
maby. but its a hole-ass explination compared to yours.
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Very good discussions going on thus far. Makes for a very entertaining read, with good points on both sides.
But a major pet peave of mine....the plural form of virus is viruses....not virii.
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Originally posted by Rio:
Very good discussions going on thus far. Makes for a very entertaining read, with good points on both sides.
But a major pet peave of mine....the plural form of virus is viruses....not virii.
does it matter?
i think most people like to use virii cause its latin and only smart people know latin.
OFF TOPIC: the latin word for "with" is "cum". i laugh at that every time i hear it in latin class.
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Originally posted by The Stiller:
does it matter?
i think most people like to use virii cause its latin and only smart people know latin.
OFF TOPIC: the latin word for "with" is "cum". i laugh at that every time i hear it in latin class.
Hmm
"I play games usually with a concole"
to:
"I play games usually cum a concole"
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This is a link of a BSOD gallery. It is actually one of the members. WMD I think. But as you can see there are tones of them everywhere including on home machines
http://www.dognoodle99.cjb.net/bsod/ (http://www.dognoodle99.cjb.net/bsod/)
Yet another news story of another M$ virus. What if Linux was there? Would the damage be the same?
http://www.pulse24.com/Business/Top_Story/20040504-001/page.asp (http://www.pulse24.com/Business/Top_Story/20040504-001/page.asp)
Nope.
Why?
Thats been explained by my 'biast' artical.
But look at what M$ has caused. How is the users to blame when it doesn't even need user intervention to get infected?
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Originally posted by The Stiller:
does it matter?
i think most people like to use virii cause its latin and only smart people know latin.
OFF TOPIC: the latin word for "with" is "cum". i laugh at that every time i hear it in latin class.
Nope, doesn't matter in the greater scheme of things. Like I said...just a pet peave of mine. I've since lost the link to a very good article explaining why the latin plural form didn't fit virus, and that virii was actually plural for something entirely different. Perhaps I'll google it sometime out of curiosity...
It's one of those things that bugs me like using to instead of too or two. Understandable for folks who's first language wasn't english....but kind of disappointing when folks from the US just don't know any better. It's kind of like claiming to be a expert programmer...and not knowing the proper ways to use arrays.
LOL and for the record...I promise I'm NOT an english teacher. Sorry for going off topic...
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This thread really fucking sucks.
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Originally posted by xeen:
Happens too often with Windows Media Player. WHen the piece of shit crashes, too often the OS goes down too. Don't tell me this isn't true because it happens to me at least once a week. Doesn't happen with other media players though.
Okay, I don't use Windows Media Player and no one really should. It sucks.
Media Player Class > * :D
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Originally posted by Siplus:
this is the half-asses responce that everyone defending window's virus problem gives. it's almost comical to think that you actually believe that when linux or osx or whatever overtakes windows that all the virus writting kiddies will be able to continue to affect a unix-based system.
windows is vulnerable to virii because MS didn't make it secure enough. it is insane to become 'infected' by reading email! there is no reason a system should be allowed to become that weak
So you're saying that if Linux was more popular then windows it wouldn't have any? HA! Well, for one, several different Linux mail clients have been patched because of security vulnerabilities, so don't mention OE and not those as well. Secondly, do you honestly think that someone who can write a virus wouldn't be able to if they were exposed to the unix-y environment for several years?
As it stands, most (not all, there are a shitload of really stupid unix users) of the people who run a nix system know what they're doing. This is also another reason why infection isn't a likely and since most people using nix seem to hate Microsoft, why not write some viruses for Windows instead of Linux? It has happened several different times ya know.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
I call you an idiot for being so damn ignorant. That and the fact you still \ grammer troll. One thing to be un-original, another to be both unoriginal and repetative.
I troll about grammar because your grammar is so fucking horrible. Also, you're a fucking hypocrite calling me ignorant when you have done NOTHING but spout facts that are horribly incorrect showing your own ignorance.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
I've checked the list. There are no real virous threats out there for MacOSX and/or Linux. No they would not be fucked since it has to happen first in the wild.
Since this MacOSX virous thing is in the news at least provide a link, otherwize as usual your talking out of your arse.
You really are in the dark about the current world arn't you? .00002 seconds with Google shows the last Mac OS X vulnerability. I'm not going to post links for each and everything just so you can be an even bigger, lazy, idiot who would find some words in the article to twist around to make yourself sound right anyway.
Take some initiative
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Lack of knowledge is one thing but bad M$ software is a nother.
You haven't used any MS software lately have you? Also, MS != M$.
So far I've only seen idiots and zealots refer to MS as 'M$' and you are only proving my theory.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Of course not! You had a career that lasted one day. And yes it is tied to the OS. I've seen outlook crash and bring down the OS so has billions of other people. Google to see...
The word "career" was ment to show an overall, long usage of Windows and not an actual career as you keep making it sound like (I put it in quotes ealier so stupid people like you wouldn't get confused but you must have not gotten the memo. I'll get you a copy of that).
Also, it is not tied to the OS. Try to prove that it is. Go ahead, try it (because it isn't. In fact, I know several different programmers who are currently working[/i] on Outlook). Using the Win32 API, MFC and the registry does not tie a program into the Windows Operating System otherwise a good 70% or more Windows applications would be considered tied into the OS. The Office programmers arn't even allowed to see the source code to the Windows operating system without very high permission and even then, they can only see small parts. Office is not compiled into Windows. They couldn't be farther apart. I also have NEVER seen Outlook crash the entire OS and I've worked at helpdesk for a lot of computer illeterate people.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Sure, keep blaming other people. I'm not comparing Open Source with windows. What I am comparing though is the quality of the OS. It seems then that even M$ windows programmers don't know what they are writing in. Only the virus makers.
The quality of the OS? Wow, you really do not understand what Linux is and how Linux and Windows are programmed. First off, there is over a thousand people working on coding Windows right now. You have to go through vigurous testing just to get into MS and the interview questions are really hard that would stump even expert programmers (I know, I've seen the questions. Some are really fucking hard (I'd show you some, but you wouldn't understand anyway. You don't know anything about programming or you'd realize you are wrong in a lot of different comments you've made)). Managers, lead programmers, ect.. all setup what is going to be done, how it is going to be done, what the best way is to do it, and anything else they possibly need to plan ahead for. They meet with programmers, decide how to implement things and the programmers go to work.
Whether you realize it or just too blind by your ignorance, Windows has become a quality OS. Almost all of the old C gook is gone and Windows is mostly C++ (sadly, Linux is still mostly C :( but hopefully that'll one day change). Windows can be made to look and feel and work exactly like OS X and even some Linux GUIs. Using SFU puts console commands and other unix tools at the disposal of Windows and the SFU is created at a layer where the Win32 API resides so it's very efficient. I've also never seen Windows 2000 or XP crash because of a specific flaw in the OS code. The very few times that I have seen it crash, it was either due to bad hardware or horrible drivers.
Also, most virus writters are not very smart. Some of the viruses out there are written in VB (haha) and some of the others are too easy to spot. Some virus writters are very good at what they do though, however; if their target was Linux, the outcome would be the same in that reguard because of their skill level.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Good for you that your laptop works. many people I know can't stand windows just because it did crash on a brand new system. So if 3rd party drivers were at fault then why does a brand new system crash?
First off, I've worked in retail and I've never seen a customer bring back a Laptop or PC because it "just crashed omg it was brand newz". I've never heard any complaints. In fact, I seen a guy come in to buy Windows XP to upgrade his Windows 98 which he used for two solid years without any crashing and it was used almost everyday. Secondly, the same fucking thing can and does[/i] happen on Linux with 3rd party drivers. I take it you don't have an nvidia card and/or you missed the bad batch of drivers they made for Linux because a lot of people had bad problems with them. They would crash the entire system.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
No OSX hasn't done this comming right off the shelf.
No one said it did.....
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
If it is bad ram then why does the same machine work flaulessly in Linux/Unix???
You have no troubleshooting skills at all do you? Wow, you're really useless.
Also, Most != ALWAYS 100% OF THE TIME
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
I've also used windows since Windows3.1 and guess what ever since Windows 95 and up I've seen millions of error messages. Usualy because of a currupt registr, a bad dll file somewhere in the system or one has forgot that windows does need a scan check and a defrag every couple of days.
Lots of 1D 10 T errors, huh?
Also, there is NO filesystem on Linux or OS X that can make defragging a thing of the past. If you believe there is, then you need to contact the programmers of each filesystem for Linux and OS X because they say their filesystems need to be defragged or formatted regularlly. But since you're such an awesome alternate OS user, you already know this :rolleyes:
Also, with NTFS, Windows never needs to do a disk scan unless something very very bad happens. The samething is true with reisferfs.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Post another comment and that will be the dumbest thing you've heard so far.
1. That was a horrible retort. Did you think of that all by yourself with your huge IQ (and by huge, I mean 10)?
2. I can't hear myself post. Text != Speak
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
You got bitched at because your not providing facts. You just provided free links to pick up bad softare. Thats not a fact. Now how about that OSX artical you keep mentioning?
1. All of the information (except the TCP/IP benchmarks) can be freely found in the MSDN and I already explained why I did not provide direct links. I honestly did not think you were this dumb.
2. I already mentioned it. It was in the news. A person with the IQ of a 5 year old could put it into google and find it in .00002 seconds. I can't honestly believe you actually need me to link you to an article. Are you really that stupid that you can't find it yourself?
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
I agree. So why do OEM's crash. Why are they so unstable? Arn't they pre-built with windows in mind?
Wow, just wow.... You have no fucking clue what OEM means (that or your grammar is so horrible that you cannot use it in proper context) so I am going to assume you mean pre-built computers that ship with an OEM version of Windows. If that's the case, no they are not unstable otherwise they would never sell.
You need to understand that the market would not put up with that bullshit. I've honestly never seen a pre-built computer crash in a very long time and I've worked as a help desk, I've setup many many different computer labs in schools, ect.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Haha, yes you should take your own advice. Just shut the fuck up you stupid moron.
And your the only one whinning here. See posts you have made above.
Seriously man, you are really dence. You remind of the kid that would get called stupid and retort with "I know what you are but what am I?".
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
If your talking about bliss, then you really are an idiot! The 'Thompson hack' and Bliss were consept viruses to bring awarness that it is possible to infect Linux/Unix. But if you followed the link you would realize why it is virtualy impossible in the real world to infext Linux/Unix/OSX vs M$ Os'es.
You use unix but don't even know that the Thompson hack was real? It is very real and he even admits to it in not only the article I linked to, but in several others.
It is very possible to infect ANY OS. To think it's virtual impossible is just foolish.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Sure, what I provide is 'biast.' But what ever you say is fact even when your planly talking out of your arse!
The first link is comparing apples to oranges. It can't be done. I am also not talking out of my "arse". All of my information is backed up with the MSDN and a quick google search never hurt no one (except maybe your ego).
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
That is just as dumb as saying that the world is flat!!!
You have absolutely no grasp on parallelisms, do you?
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Apache is the most widly used server OS on Linux and guess what its not nearly as vulnrable as Windows and IIS.
1. Apache is NOT an OS. It is a piece of server software.
2. This comment by you brings to light the ignorance you have when it comes to networking and running a server. Apache has had a SHITLOAD of holes (which have been patched) over time. Possibly as many as IIS. Currently, both the security and performance of both is virtually the same (if you don't believe me, or you think I'm wrong, go learn because you do not know).
I love how you accuse me of pulling things out of my "arse" when it is clear you have never touched a web server (or, if you have; I feel sorry for anyone who used it) but make comments about Apache and why it is "more secure" than IIS.
In actuality, I like Apache a lot more then IIS. The fact that I can take configurations and knowledge to any OS I choose with the program is just awesome. Even my web site is being run by apache.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Linux IS more secure. You can believe what you want but you cant change the facts.
1. I never said it wasn't. Bringing on more popularity would bring more malicious code.
2. I personally think *nix can be much more secure than Windows (again, I never said it wasn't).
3. Windows can be very secure and I'm sure after XP SP2, the average home user will be a lot more secure.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Well Linux, it seems is, surpassing OSX on the desktop. It has already surpassed windows on the server
Linux doesn't hold enough market share on the desktop to surpass OS X yet, and I don't see it happening in the near future either since Apple seems to be gaining popularity.
Also, Linux never "surpassed" Windows in a server environment. Windows was never used much as a server. It was all Solaris and unix. In fact, I don't think there ever was a time when Windows was used more on servers than any flavor of *nix.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
No doubt. That and coupled with a weak OS like M$ spells trouble.
Too bad it's not a weak OS and MS != M$
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
maby. but its a hole-ass explination compared to yours.
No, sorry. It isn't.
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Originally posted by Rio:
Very good discussions going on thus far. Makes for a very entertaining read, with good points on both sides.
This is true if you do not count -=Solaris.M.K.A=-, who not only has a horrible name (honestly, who the fuck uses stupid symbols in their name? This isn't CS) but he also does not seem to comprehend the idea of being wrong.
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Originally posted by Rio:
But a major pet peave of mine....the plural form of virus is viruses....not virii.
This is true and I mentioned this earlier I believe...
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
This is a link of a BSOD gallery. It is actually one of the members. WMD I think. But as you can see there are tones of them everywhere including on home machines
99.99% of the time a BSOD occurs is either when hardware is faulty or someone is using a suck ass driver.
As long as you're using post NT versions of Windows, you should never see a BSOD unless you have shitty hardware or shitty drivers. Pre-NT versions just sucked and shouldn't be used.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Yet another news story of another M$ virus. What if Linux was there? Would the damage be the same?
Nope.
Why?
Thats been explained by my 'biast' artical.
But look at what M$ has caused. How is the users to blame when it doesn't even need user intervention to get infected?
Wow, you really are an idiot arn't you? This has been covered, you lost, drop it already. Jesus it's like beating a dead cow in the road with a stick. IT'S DEAD!
Also, you do not blame MS for that. You blame the fucking stupid network administrator. Any decent network admin can protect their users from virtually all viruses (including sasser).
[ May 11, 2004: Message edited by: Kasracer ]
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This thread really fucking sucks.
Are your sure its the thread. I'd say its you.
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So you're saying that if Linux was more popular then windows it wouldn't have any? HA! Well, for one, several different Linux mail clients have been patched because of security vulnerabilities,
First post the link to these 'vulnrabilites.'
Second we do not mean local exploits and such. We mean viruses that cause damage to the system and network.
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so don't mention OE and not those as well. Secondly, do you honestly think that someone who can write a virus wouldn't be able to if they were exposed to the unix-y environment for several years?[/quorte]
Lots of people are 'exposed' to the unix enviroment and guess what. Windows IS STILL causing the bain of proplems.
As it stands, most (not all, there are a shitload of really stupid unix users) of the people who run a nix system know what they're doing.
Yes, true but so do windows users on windows. The only difference is that the windows users STILL get infected!
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This is also another reason why infection isn't a likely and since most people using nix seem to hate Microsoft,
Some do, some don't. I hate Microsoft because of the problems it causes to innocent users. However thats also its strong point as well.
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why not write some viruses for Windows instead of Linux? It has happened several different times ya know.[/quore]
Ooooowww seven times! You here that everyone! SEVEN TIMES!!! All of which were test viruses. Or viruses that did little to no harm or could not spread because of how Unix/Linux is built. Compare that will the billions of windows viruses out there!
I troll about grammar because your grammar is so fucking horrible. Also, you're a fucking hypocrite calling me ignorant when you have done NOTHING but spout facts that are horribly incorrect showing your own ignorance.
You troll about grammer because you have no fucking point and for a troll, extreamly dull! How am I a hypocrite How are my 'facts' wrong? How are they incorrect? So far the only one that continues on with his ignorance is you! You have come on here spouting your endless rhetoric, called everyone else wrong and continue to constantly whine then whine about people that at least know what they are talking about.
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You really are in the dark about the current world arn't you? .00002 seconds with Google shows the last Mac OS X vulnerability. I'm not going to post links for each and everything just so you can be an even bigger, lazy, idiot who would find some words in the article to twist around to make yourself sound right anyway.
What am I twisting, how am I sounding right. Ah yes because I AM RIGHT!!! The only reason you won't google for it is because there IS NO artical to back you up. Its not about lazyness. Your the one stating facts then not backing them up. Because of this I KNOW YOUR FULL OF IT!!!
Take some initiative
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You haven't used any MS software lately have you? Also, MS != M$.
Nope, the last thing was WinXP and that was really awfull! And MS! DOES = M$!
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So far I've only seen idiots and zealots refer to MS as 'M$' and you are only proving my theory.
A theory is said to be an educative guess. The fact you use it in that sentense tells me that A.) You have no idea what theory means. B.) Are extreamly dull and so narrow minded C.) M$ is for the glutteny to which Microsoft has spawned.
D.) Your an idiot zealot that doesn't like to use the term M$ which, if anything, prooves you wrong.
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The word "career" was ment to show an overall, long usage of Windows
Well, considering your bitching at me about grammer at least learn proper word usage.
[quotes]and not an actual career as you keep making it sound like (I put it in quotes ealier so stupid people like you wouldn't get confused but you must have not gotten the memo. I'll get you a copy of that).
You put in quotes because of have no idea about word usage and wanted to sound important. Too bad you have an I.Q of a three year old.
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Also, it is not tied to the OS. Try to prove that it is. Go ahead, try it (because it isn't. In fact, I know several different programmers who are currently working on Outlook).
If it is or isn't, its very odd to see a virus pass through outlook to infect the hole system!
And your best friends with Micheal Jackson to right? Yea sure. I bet your his favourate play thing.
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Using the Win32 API, MFC and the registry does not tie a program into the Windows Operating System otherwise a good 70% or more Windows applications would be considered tied into the OS.
Actualy a good 70% is tide to the system. See M$ Law suit.
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The Office programmers arn't even allowed to see the source code to the Windows operating system without very high permission and even then, they can only see small parts. Office is not compiled into Windows. They couldn't be farther apart.
k, where is the link for this. You said some of it is in MSDN. Then please post a link.
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I also have NEVER seen Outlook crash the entire OS
I have!
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and I've worked at helpdesk for a lot of computer illeterate people.
So have I, not just for illiterate people but M$ zealots as well!
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The quality of the OS? Wow, you really do not understand what Linux is and how Linux and Windows are programmed.
But at least I know more than you.
First off, there is over a thousand people working on coding Windows right now.[/quote]
k,
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You have to go through vigurous testing just to get into MS
If you say so.
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and the interview questions are really hard that would stump even expert programmers (I know, I've seen the questions. Some are really fucking hard (I'd show you some, but you wouldn't understand anyway.
Give me an exsample if you've seen them or as far as i'm concerned you have quite the imagination.
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You don't know anything about programming or you'd realize you are wrong in a lot of different comments you've made)).
Or I do know ALLOT about programing, even have TWO deplomas and going to University for Computer Sciences and realize what a bafoon you are. Mabyu its the fact that YOUR wrong, that all these usless rehtoric that you've spouted so far is the same usless shit that other M$ shrills have spouted on here and every one of us now knows the answer except people like you who are too closed minded.
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Managers, lead programmers, ect.. all setup what is going to be done, how it is going to be done, what the best way is to do it, and anything else they possibly need to plan ahead for. They meet with programmers, decide how to implement things and the programmers go to work.
Well if that IS true, thats great. But it doesn't explain why they are making such bad software.
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Whether you realize it or just too blind by your ignorance, Windows has become a quality OS.
At least I was opened minded enough to actualy GO OUT and reaserch! If M$ makes a quality OS then Linux/OSX is a flawlwss OS!
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Almost all of the old C gook is gone and Windows is mostly C++ (sadly, Linux is still mostly C but hopefully that'll one day change). Windows can be made to look and feel and work exactly like OS X and even some Linux GUIs. Using SFU puts console commands and other unix tools at the disposal of Windows and the SFU is created at a layer where the Win32 API resides so it's very efficient. I've also never seen Windows 2000 or XP crash because of a specific flaw in the OS code. The very few times that I have seen it crash, it was either due to bad hardware or horrible drivers.
AGAIN with it was bad drivers/bad hardware comment!
Thats why I posted the BSOD gallery! There are tones on the net WITH NEW MACHINES BUILT FOR WINDOWS and guess what THEY STILL CRASH!!! If Windows CAN do all of that stuff, post a link, show that it can and can be done easily!
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Also, most virus writters are not very smart.
That may be but there a hell of a lot smarter than YOU!
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Some of the viruses out there are written in VB (haha)
Yes some, and some are not. What your point?
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and some of the others are too easy to spot.
Is that supposed to make someone using windows feel better?
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Some virus writters are very good at what they do though, however; if their target was Linux, the outcome would be the same in that reguard because of their skill level.
We've gone over this already. Stop with your ignorance! Of course it would be different!
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First off, I've worked in retail and I've never seen a customer bring back a Laptop or PC because it "just crashed omg it was brand newz". I've never heard any complaints. In fact, I seen a guy come in to buy Windows XP to upgrade his Windows 98 which he used for two solid years without any crashing and it was used almost everyday. Secondly, the same fucking thing can and does happen on Linux with 3rd party drivers. I take it you don't have an nvidia card and/or you missed the bad batch of drivers they made for Linux because a lot of people had bad problems with them. They would crash the entire system.
Your right. I do not have a nvida card. I have an ATI radeon. The difference is that those drivers were quickly patched and information was available for them. This is not the case for windows expecialy since you need the drivers in windows which doesn't come automaticaly like it does with Linux. I've seen windows crash at a lot of retail stores. So have alot of other people. Its just a common occurance. Most of the staff just comes along and reboots the system.
As for that 98 story. Well I really don't believe you.
No one said it did.....
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If it is bad ram then why does the same machine work flaulessly in Linux/Unix???
You have no troubleshooting skills at all do you? Wow, you're really useless.p
Of course not, because Linux/Unix and OSX does what they are supposed to.
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Also, there is NO filesystem on Linux or OS X that can make defragging a thing of the past. If you believe there is, then you need to contact the programmers of each filesystem for Linux and OS X because they say their filesystems need to be defragged or formatted regularlly.
Why should I call, your the one making this claim.
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But since you're such an awesome alternate OS user, you already know this
Thanks, I am an 'awsome alternative OS user' and alot of the stuff that you blabber on about I and others here already do know but, un like you, we are always learning.
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Also, with NTFS, Windows never needs to do a disk scan unless something very very bad happens. The samething is true with reisferfs.
I did have to with NT4 and XP but it doesn't seen that way with windows 2000. I don't know why, but thats the way they made it.
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1. That was a horrible retort. Did you think of that all by yourself with your huge IQ (and by huge, I mean 10)?
Hahaha! Man are an idiot!
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2. I can't hear myself post. Text != Speak
And heere you are making such a big issue with grammar. Sorry if your too stupid to get it. Your mom must of dropped you VERY hard when you were a baby.
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1. All of the information (except the TCP/IP benchmarks) can be freely found in the MSDN and I already explained why I did not provide direct links. I honestly did not think you were this dumb.
You keep saying they are in MSDN. So proove it! Your the one spouting these facts yet you blame your lazyness. Nope I blame your I.Q. level.
Still smarter than you though!
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2. I already mentioned it. It was in the news. A person with the IQ of a 5 year old could put it into google and find it in .00002 seconds.
Again YOUR the one making OUTRAGOUS claims, why should I hold your hand? I'm not your momma! Man I can't believe how thick you are!
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I can't honestly believe you actually need me to link you to an article. Are you really that stupid that you can't find it yourself?
I'm smart enough to weed out an idiot like yourself. The fact that you wont back up what you say and that you need me to hold your hand speeks volumes about your intelligence level!
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Wow, just wow.... You have no fucking clue what OEM means (that or your grammar is so horrible that you cannot use it in proper context) so I am going to assume you mean pre-built computers that ship with an OEM version of Windows. If that's the case, no they are not unstable otherwise they would never sell.
Wow! You rally are such an idiot! Is that the best yiou can do?
You had to grammar troll again after your bad word usage! Then tell me that I don't know what OEM's are after you had to read it through! WOW!
Yup they do crash and some don't sell, some still do.
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You need to understand that the market would not put up with that bullshit. I've honestly never seen a pre-built computer crash in a very long time and I've worked as a help desk, I've setup many many different computer labs in schools, ect.
Let me guess next your gonna tell me that you work for NASA and that you've had every computer job on earth right? Well at least you have quite the imagination. I'm sure billions of people can disagree with you. There is hole websites that explain why M$ is not the OS of choice but again you wouldn't get that.
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Seriously man, you are really dence. You remind of the kid that would get called stupid and retort with "I know what you are but what am I?".
You would know that. You are probably THAT kid.
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You use unix but don't even know that the Thompson hack was real? It is very real and he even admits to it in not only the article I linked to, but in several others.
ok, where is this link?
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It is very possible to infect ANY OS. To think it's virtual impossible is just foolish.
O never said it was impossible, just not to the extent of M$
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The first link is comparing apples to oranges. It can't be done. I am also not talking out of my "arse". All of my information is backed up with the MSDN and a quick google search never hurt no one (except maybe your ego).
So you keep saying. NO! i will not hold your hand. Its you who is spouting such nonsense sop the burden of proof is on you, not me!
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You have absolutely no grasp on parallelisms, do you?
That scentense fits you better than it fits me! I'm not the one that keeps stating
"If linux is popular as windows it would be the same"
That IS you trying to proove that the world is flat. That statment just made you look so damn idiotic beyond belief!
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1. Apache is NOT an OS. It is a piece of server software.
I never said that it was an OS! I was comparing Both Linux and Apache with iis and windows but I see that was too complicated for you.
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2. This comment by you brings to light the ignorance you have when it comes to networking and running a server.
Wow you just love to here yourself speek. You claim me ignonorant yet here you are spouting the same mindless rehtoric over and over again.
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Apache has had a SHITLOAD of holes (which have been patched) over time.
agree.
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Possibly as many as IIS.
Possibly, but not.
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Currently, both the security and performance of both is virtually the same (if you don't believe me, or you think I'm wrong, go learn because you do not know).
Why should I, your the one spouting outragous claims!
Proove me wrong!
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I love how you accuse me of pulling things out of my "arse"
I'm not accusing you. You are infact talking shit.
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when it is clear you have never touched a web server
Shows how much you know. I'm a systems administrator and no I don't claim to have worked every job under the sun.
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(or, if you have; I feel sorry for anyone who used it)
Don't feel sorry for me and everyone else, feel sorry for your self for being so narrow minded and stupid.
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but make comments about Apache and why it is "more secure" than IIS.
In actuality, I like Apache a lot more then IIS. The fact that I can take configurations and knowledge to any OS I choose with the program is just awesome. Even my web site is being run by apache.
Good for you! I can do the same thing. Its no big deal its just what you do in a job.
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1. I never said it wasn't. Bringing on more popularity would bring more malicious code.
Malicious code, yes but not tothe extent of windows
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2. I personally think *nix can be much more secure than Windows (again, I never said it wasn't).
Lots of people feel the same way. Thats why Fedora is implementing SELinux into its kernel.
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3. Windows can be very secure and I'm sure after XP SP2, the average home user will be a lot more secure.
Sure like the millions of other service packs out there. A patch for a patch for a patch.
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Linux doesn't hold enough market share on the desktop to surpass OS X yet, and I don't see it happening in the near future either since Apple seems to be gaining popularity.
Apple is gaining popularity but Linux is still moving up fast. There were some articals on it over at slashdot I think.
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Also, Linux never "surpassed" Windows in a server environment. Windows was never used much as a server. It was all Solaris and unix. In fact, I don't think there ever was a time when Windows was used more on servers than any flavor of *nix.
At one time it seemed that NT was gaining ground since Solaris and othe Unix can be expensive but then that why most firms switched to linux. Secure and cheaper over all costs.
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Too bad it's not a weak OS and MS != M$
The millions of people that got infected with the latest bullshit32.worm will disagree with you.
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No, sorry. It isn't.
Yes it is. Your in denial.
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This is true if you do not count -=Solaris.M.K.A=-, who not only has a horrible name (honestly, who the fuck uses stupid symbols in their name? This isn't CS) but he also does not seem to comprehend the idea of being wrong.
Or maby is kascar who can't comprehend being wrong and wants to put the blame on everyone else for his own stupidity.
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99.99% of the time a BSOD occurs is either when hardware is faulty or someone is using a suck ass driver.
Sure. In your world.
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As long as you're using post NT versions of Windows, you should never see a BSOD unless you have shitty hardware or shitty drivers. Pre-NT versions just sucked and shouldn't be used.
ok so if someone is using Xp they shouldn't see a BSOD and not get infected with viruses, spyware and a hole bunch of other shit that shouldn't be there. But guess what! Those things are still there and always will be. No matter what version of windows is used it still sucks compared to the alternatives.
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Wow, you really are an idiot arn't you?
How am I the idiot when your on here again, spouting endless rhetoric. You don't back up anything you say, yet you say its there and you grammer/troll! Your above posts say it all. You've got the idiot part down!
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This has been covered,
Yes it has!
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you lost, drop it already. Jesus it's like beating a dead cow in the road with a stick. IT'S DEAD!
I agree, who knew people like you can be so thick headed!
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Also, you do not blame MS for that. You blame the fucking stupid network administrator. Any decent network admin can protect their users from virtually all viruses (including sasser).
Of course. M$ shrills common response.
1.) Blame the end user.
2.) Blame the admin
3.) Blame 3rd party drivers and other programmers.
4.) Blame the hardware.
4.) Its NEVER M$ fault, their god!
5.) I've worked as such and such and I KNOW that I'm right and your wrong!
6.) Someting about grammar/spelling etc...
7.) Linux would have the same problems if it was as popular as windows.
8.) Continue to then spout articals and information that probably doesn't exist then ask everyone else to google it.
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Next kascar will post the
i'm rubber your glue comment, so he can feel important while he continues to repeat the same ol' boring rhetoric and outragous claims.
And oh not to forget the grammar comments because he has no fucking clue. :D
Hahahaha man that guy has to take anger managment classess or something.
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OSX article@ Techworld.com (http://www.techworld.com/security/news/index.cfm?newsid=1497)
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Long time no see, Viper. (http://smile.gif)
Doesn't look like the readers share the opinion of the article, though...
http://www.techworld.com/forums/msgs.cfm?msg=718&forum=99&tz=240 (http://www.techworld.com/forums/msgs.cfm?msg=718&forum=99&tz=240)
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Originally posted by Viper:
OSX article@ Techworld.com (http://www.techworld.com/security/news/index.cfm?newsid=1497)
The people that are making a big issue with OSX vulnrabilities is @Stake and eeye digital security. Both firms that have been working with M$.
Of course they would. Thanks to M$ buggy software there is a need for such an industry. But also there were only 5 vulnrabilties, they are not in the wild or kiddies were using them and the patches were there right away.
And to top it off those patches will not break the hole OS which happens quite frequently in M$ Os'es.
http://blog.crispen.org/archives/000349.html (http://blog.crispen.org/archives/000349.html)
(An end user with the broken OS problem.) I've been there too.
Googled....
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22patch+breaks%22+%2B%22microsoft%22&btnG=Search&meta= (http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=%22patch+breaks%22+%2B%22microsoft%22&btnG=Search&meta=)
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11151 (http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=11151)
kascar was going on about some virus that was devistating OSX users. Haven't seen the link to that yet :D
http://news.com.com/2100-1001-219214.html?legacy=cnet (http://news.com.com/2100-1001-219214.html?legacy=cnet)
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^^^ Wow.... yeah, you're definately just trolling to get me away
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
kascar was going on about some virus that was devistating OSX users. Haven't seen the link to that yet :D
Find where I said that because I specifically said a vulnerability came out that virus writers could abuse.
Anyway, I conceed. This thread is a huge waste of time and since I'm lazy, there is no way in hell I feel like replying to all of that. In all honestly, I still cannot believe how ignorant -=Solaris.M.K.A=- is, yet he keeps posting the same, wrong[/i] facts.
wait... he's getting back at me for trolling isn't he? That has to be the only logical answer because no one person could be as dumb as him... I mean, seriously, "OS X vulnerability" with google and the first links have exactly what he wants and everything else is accessable from the MSDN front page yet he is still complaining I didn't "provide proof".
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^^^ Wow.... yeah, you're definately just trolling to get me away
Nope, since I'm not the one spreading wild imaginative accusations.
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Find where I said that because I specifically said a vulnerability came out that virus writers could abuse.
Right here:
There was a recent OS X virus that was going around that really crippled a lot of systems and there is almost no virus scanning software for OS X so a lot of Mac users were uberly fucked.
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Anyway, I conceed. This thread is a huge waste of time and since I'm lazy, there is no way in hell I feel like replying to all of that.
Well it is to someone who comes on here with no point whinning their heads off.
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In all honestly, I still cannot believe how ignorant -=Solaris.M.K.A=- is, yet he keeps posting the same, wrong facts.
Look in the mirror you'll find someone who is TRULY ignorant. Wrong facts? what facts are wrong? Again you have prooven nothing, other than the fact that you are a lazy, boring old troll that likes to spread the same ol' FUD!!!
It looks like your the only one here thats spreading the 'wrong facts.'
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wait... he's getting back at me for trolling isn't he? That has to be the only logical answer because no one person could be as dumb as him...
you really are a moron! hahaha lol
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I mean, seriously, "OS X vulnerability" with google and the first links have exactly what he wants
How is that? That one link only links to an artical explaining that there were 5 vulnrebilites found and that there was a patch avilable for them.
It was not some nasty virus that you keep spouting about.
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and everything else is accessable from the MSDN front page yet he is still complaining I didn't "provide proof".
Because you didn't you nugget! You spouted all this rhetoric so its up to you to back up your statment. Proove its on MSDN, don't just say it is.
Of course its the same crap, just a different day!
:D
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You're missing E3 now
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Right here:
I must of been thinking something else at the time, my bad. I did say it was a vulnerability several different times afterwards
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Well it is to someone who comes on here with no point whinning their heads off.
Include yourself into this category
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Look in the mirror you'll find someone who is TRULY ignorant. Wrong facts? what facts are wrong? Again you have prooven nothing, other than the fact that you are a lazy, boring old troll that likes to spread the same ol' FUD!!!
It looks like your the only one here thats spreading the 'wrong facts.'
I haven't spread any wrong facts unless you count the one little OS X "virus" I said only once about. You, on the other hand, has spout out literally houndreds of incorrect facts, all of which could have been verified taking a little trip of the MSDN.
I am not the ignorant one. If you actually took the time to go browse the MSDN, you would find that almost everything you've said about MS is just wrong. I'm not going to do it for you, you're a big boy.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
you really are a moron! hahaha lol
If you consider me a moron, then you must consider yourself mentally disabled otherwise you're just being a hypocrite again.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
It was not some nasty virus that you keep spouting about.
No, you keep "spouting about" it. I only mentioned it earlier and I later said it was a vulnerability.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Because you didn't you nugget! You spouted all this rhetoric so its up to you to back up your statment. Proove its on MSDN, don't just say it is.
Prove it's on the MSDN? What are you, 8 years old?
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I must of been thinking something else at the time, my bad. I did say it was a vulnerability several different times afterwards
No you didn't, you kept stating about how MAcOSX had this virus going around amoung the basic trolling that you were doing.
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Include yourself into this category
Can't, I'm not a complete moron like yourself.
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I haven't spread any wrong facts unless you count the one little OS X "virus" I said only once about. You, on the other hand, has spout out literally houndreds of incorrect facts, all of which could have been verified taking a little trip of the MSDN.
Agian with the MSDN. Again your still spouting usless rehtoric.
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I am not the ignorant one. If you actually took the time to go browse the MSDN, you would find that almost everything you've said about MS is just wrong. I'm not going to do it for you, you're a big boy.
Of course i am, but you on the other hand want me to hold your hand like a mommas boy. What cant use a computer?
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If you consider me a moron, then you must consider yourself mentally disabled otherwise you're just being a hypocrite again.
To be a hypocrite I have to spout off the same mindless troll exuses as you. I have not so your the onl one here thats acting like a three year old.
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No, you keep "spouting about" it. I only mentioned it earlier and I later said it was a vulnerability.
Of course. Everyone else is wrong BUT you! Goes with your retardo like attitude.
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Prove it's on the MSDN? What are you, 8 years old?
If i'm 8 then you must be in the age braket of 5! Since you want me to hold your hand every damn time.
Your quite the pathetic indevidual.
And what happend to this post is shit? Oh thats right you want to proove to everyone else here that your the master of all. Even if you cannot back up your claims.
Here i'll hold your hand till you grow up, k.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/ (http://msdn.microsoft.com/)
the home page of MSDN! It doesn't explain why their OS is such shit, why there is so many crashes, viruses, and other usless crap.
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Ok, now you guys are starting to just act like children. Can both of you just stuff it please?
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Originally posted by xeen:
Ok, now you guys are starting to just act like children. Can both of you just stuff it please?
Yea, your right. Its his choice to fall for an obsolite product.
And I have to admit with out people like kascar we wouldn't have idiots that just buy anything and thus make the good ol' economy go around.
Also windows is grand for infecting an OS has never been easier. Could you imagin everyone running a secure OS like OSX and Linux. It would be boring because no one will be able to get infected.
:D :cool: (http://graemlins/macos.gif) (http://graemlins/tux.gif)
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
No you didn't, you kept stating about how MAcOSX had this virus going around amoung the basic trolling that you were doing.
What part of once don’t you understand? You keep bring up the “OS X Virus”, not I.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Can't, I'm not a complete moron like yourself.
Then you must be a troll. If you claim you are neither a troll or a moron, then in actuality; you are a moron.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Of course i am, but you on the other hand want me to hold your hand like a mommas boy. What cant use a computer?
Hold my hand? You’re the one who can’t use Google or explore a fucking webpage but yet, you’re holding my hand? Get a fucking clue
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
To be a hypocrite I have to spout off the same mindless troll exuses as you. I have not so your the onl one here thats acting like a three year old.
Okay, you posted a URL to the MSDN. You obviously have been there. If you STILL[/i] think your mindless ignorance on Longhorn is correct, then you have to be blind or you’re just really that stupid.
This is why I think you’re just trolling me. I am hoping you’re really not as stupid as you seem to be.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Of course. Everyone else is wrong BUT you! Goes with your retardo like attitude.
No, not everyone else is wrong. It’s just you who are wrong on most of your points. Xeen made some decent points, some of which I even agreed on.
What the hell is a retardo attitude anyway? That’s not even a word….
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Since you want me to hold your hand every damn time.
Your quite the pathetic indevidual.
Here i'll hold your hand till you grow up, k.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/ (http://msdn.microsoft.com/)
the home page of MSDN! It doesn't explain why their OS is such shit, why there is so many crashes, viruses, and other usless crap.
You call me pathetic, yet you're trying to say you're holding MY hand? You couldn't even go to the MSDN and when you finally do, you have to post a URL like it's some sort of acheivement for you?
You have no fucking clue what the MSDN is even for or what my point was. I NEVER fucking said the MSDN "explains why there are viruses and crashes and other useless crap on windows". NEVER did I fucking say that. I said it backs up every claim about Longhorn I made (except for TCP/IP) that you kept saying was completely wrong.
The Microsoft Knowledge base will show you the reasons why Windows crashes.
There is a Microsoft.com/Protect section that talks about viruses and how to protect yourself but not why there are as many as there are. Viruses are not Microsoft's fault, exploits and holes are.
Since "useless crap" is an opinion, it obviously isn't on their Website (why the fuck would you even expect to see a reason why there is "useless crap" in the OS on a development site?)
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Ok, now you guys are starting to just act like children. Can both of you just stuff it please?
What do you mean both of us? Have you even read his troll-ish responces? They're worse than mine and the worst part of it is that he thinks he is right.
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And I have to admit with out people like kascar we wouldn't have idiots that just buy anything and thus make the good ol' economy go around.
I don't buy anything. The last two and only Microsoft products I've ever bought was Windows XP Pro and Office 2003 Pro for $50 total. $50 is nothing and I don't feel like using Wine and Samba on Linux just so I don't use Windows. It's just easier to use the OS for whatever I need.
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Originally posted by -=Solaris.M.K.A=-:
Could you imagin everyone running a secure OS like OSX and Linux. It would be boring because no one will be able to get infected.
Windows can be just as secure. The problem is, to make any of those OSes secure you have to know what you're doing.
I currently run a FreeBSD server for apache and FTP. I use Linux when I want to host any dedicated game servers and every so often, I make a DC Hub with Windows. I could guarentee you no one could get into any of the 3 OSes.
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What do you mean both of us? Have you even read his troll-ish responces? They're worse than mine and the worst part of it is that he thinks he is right.
Well xeen, now we know who the real child is. Hes still trolling! Again different day same ignorant, rhetoric, babble.
Calls me wrong while he can't admit that hes the only idiot here posting the same crap oevr and over again!
I guess he can't do anything for himself. Calls me an 'idiot' just because he hasn't backed up one thing he has trolled on! Has not shown any information! And keeps on going.
Hehehe.
I've prooved enough that kascar is a fool. Some people like him will never grow up and always believes that hes the only right one here.
He could of been right if he had prooved it! But that is way to complicated for him :D (http://tongue.gif)
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Windows can be just as secure. The problem is, to make any of those OSes secure you have to know what you're doing.
I agree on this point. But even a very good windows admin STILL gets infected.
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I don't buy anything. The last two and only Microsoft products I've ever bought was Windows XP Pro and Office 2003 Pro for $50 total. $50 is nothing and I don't feel like using Wine and Samba on Linux just so I don't use Windows. It's just easier to use the OS for whatever I need.
Well, alot of people do. I have friends that have baught a new laptop with Xp and the damn thing keeps crashing. A laptop that was built with xp in mind.
Not everyone is a windows-programmer, an MSCE or some other windows cert. Most people buy windows because thats the only thing there that comes default on the machines and each time its the same thing as the older versions of windows.
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Then you must be a troll. If you claim you are neither a troll or a moron, then in actuality; you are a moron.
LOL, see the post you have made above! I rest my case! I bet you'll just keep going and going though. I guess your too stupid to face the fact of what you call other people in this forum.
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What part of once don
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