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All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Software => Topic started by: Junior Ransom on 22 August 2003, 23:10
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I heard a rumor somewhere that Microsoft is ending support for Win2K in 2004
Does anyone know anthing about this?
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okay, here's my answer:
WHO FUCKING CARES?
not me, i certainly don't use that shitheap of an "operating" system...
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Originally posted by Junior:
I heard a rumor somewhere that Microsoft is ending support for Win2K in 2004
Does anyone know anthing about this?
This news to me, I didn't know Miscro$oft provided support for any of their products !! :confused: Or does posting patches for their latest fuck up constitute support ?
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Junior: I heard a rumor somewhere that Microsoft is ending support for Win2K in 2004
Does anyone know anthing about this?
Microsoft is ending it's support for Windows 2000 in April 2005.
And welcome to the forums!
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Those damn bastards....most offices still use Win2k. This will cost companies millions to upgrade.
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Originally posted by ShawnD1:
Those damn bastards....most offices still use Win2k. This will cost companies millions to upgrade.
Why does it matter? Just because they don't support it doesn't mean anything. The only trouble is some new programs won't work in 2K - and new programs are designed for XP and some only work in XP anyway.
A lot of programs don't work in 2K, you should be used to that.
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Why the fuck does this matter? Even if they were stupid enough to terminate licenses on that date, it still wouldnt mean a fucking thing.... Win2k is shit, and should be nuked...
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Na,
2005
http://www.it.northwestern.edu/transitions/end_winos2k.html (http://www.it.northwestern.edu/transitions/end_winos2k.html)
And yup 2K is a pile of poodle poop :cool:
Later
Sime
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I heard a rumor somewhere that Microsoft is ending support for Win2K in 2004
Does anyone know anthing about this?
Did they ever support winshite 2000??? I remember calling M$ support once quite some ago as my computer was being really slow... And the guy said the best thing to do was to reinstall my computer!
And more recently, I call redhat support about my sound card! I could not get it to work correctly and they did not suggest to reinstall my computer. Instead they ssh'd into my computer and fixed it there and then (http://tongue.gif) (http://tongue.gif) (http://tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by HibbeeBoy:
Or does posting patches for their latest fuck up constitute support ?
Yes.
And this is pretty important. Look at how many *&#$ing idiots didn't apply the RPC patch and what happened to the internet becasue of it. Now imagine what would have happened if all the smart people who took care of patching their winboxes couldn't.
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Thats rather tragic. Windows 2000 is my most and only favorite windows os.
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Originally posted by ShawnD1:
Those damn bastards....most offices still use Win2k. This will cost companies millions to upgrade.
he he, The US Military uses 2k pro, come time to upgrade, it will cost the US taxpayer hundreds of millions of $$$. all of it going to Uncle Bill!!
oh yea, we'll all get screwed then.
:mad:
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Originally posted by Junior:
I heard a rumor somewhere that Microsoft is ending support for Win2K in 2004
Does anyone know anthing about this?
Maybe now the OS will work
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Nope. The secret timer will run out and turn it into a pile of goo :D (hahahahha)
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he he, The US Military uses 2k pro, come time to upgrade, it will cost the US taxpayer hundreds of millions of $$$. all of it going to Uncle Bill!!
That is a scary thought. I have heard that the UK military uses NT. If our militaries, responsible for the protection and safety of the nations, can't run a decent system, what fucking chance do we as consumers have??
On a lighter note, check this out: WarXP! (http://www.newworldodour.co.uk/issue0x01/warxp.html)
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Instead they ssh'd into my computer and fixed it there and then
Now that is cool...
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Originally posted by Faust:
they ssh'd into my computer
did you actually give them your root password on the phone?
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That of course would be the non cool bit... I dunno, remote assistance for Windows is giving a help desk dude absolute control, at least Red Hat tech support will know what they're doing. For a server or anything uber important it sounds like a bad idea, but for a one off access if they remind you to change your root password later it's alright IMO... actually is there a way that could be done cryptographically?
Ie user (U) sends Red Hat Support Dude (RHSD) a key from a pair (Done from a GUI of course - which has strong prompts warning the user of the security implications.) RHSD replies with the key and logs in to a special admin account which has piss all power to actually change things. This account can read the files they'll need to read to get a diagnosis of course. RHSD looks around, notices the problem then writes a list of commands (bash script) that will fix the problem - this gets stored in some special dir that has lots of limits on size and other security restrictions - this is one of the only dirs RHSD can write to. (The others being /tmp and other stuff s/he'll need to log in.) Then at the end of the encrypted communication the key is reset automatically (so RHSD can't re log in unless s/he gets reauthorized.) The GUI tool on the RH users end then shows the script, and the user gets to see it and go "yeah that's cool theres no rm -rf in there or whatever." Then they can click on "approve" to run the RHSD's scripted fix, or "deny" to delete the script. Maybe even a third option, "quarantine" to let the RH user keep the script on ice until s/he gets a mate around to look at it...
IMO that would be cool. Can anyone think of any obvious security flaws? The key of course would be non existent if RH user doesnt send a request for help (ie the /etc/passwd login line has the shell set to /bin/nonexistent and the password by default set to a few hundred lines of /dev/random...)
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That is pretty excellent service though... at the end of the day sshd is not easily exploitable (unlike Windows remote assistance) Red Hat doesnt install a "backdoor tech support" user (use the windows local user manager service to have a look what "extra" users Windows adds if you want...) and if you understand the implications of giving your root password to some dude and change it after the event, hey, it's your machine do what you want.
[ September 02, 2003: Message edited by: Faust ]
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well actually it would be pretty easy to just create a user, called something like "helldesk" and have the user just have access to the 3 or 4 files or directories that needed changing (for whatever the problem was) and of course, you could make a backup of those files and directories elsewhere in case the stuff it up. This way, if they do stuff it up, it's only the part they have access to (which is tiny)
but in practice, the user would have to know how to do this. helldesk support guys are not going to talk every user who phones up through this when they can just ask for the root password (and most people will just go "oh well it's...")
of course you can't do any of that on windows due to its shit filesystem. all or nothing there, of course all adds up to nothing anyway so it makes not a lot of difference...