Stop Microsoft
All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Software => Topic started by: Maniaman on 27 October 2002, 21:26
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I stumbled on this thread at a gaming forum. Link: http://forums.ogresnet.com/rct/index.php?s=90cb607101174b6b9ad772b29e572808&act=ST&f=2&t=5582&st=0#entry62593 (http://forums.ogresnet.com/rct/index.php?s=90cb607101174b6b9ad772b29e572808&act=ST&f=2&t=5582&st=0#entry62593)
A person aasks whats better, 98 or XP
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Uhh.. XP by a long shot.
1. A lot more stable
2. It has NTFS which allows for better file security and reliability
3. It supports the latest hardware
4. Better memory management (which ties in with #1)
5. Easier to use
6. Better networking capability
Maniaman here are some problems with Linux:
For the average user its very hard to use, full installation TAKES UP MORE space than Windows and heres the kicker you can't do anything with it.
Have fun surfing the web, since thats about all you can do.
Then the same person posts this BS:
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Can I ask you a question Mr.Linuxman?
What OS are you using to play your games on? Because it ain't Linux.
I agree with you that there are some nasty things in Windows XP such as MSN Messenger but the average user couldn't care.. its easy to use and does what they want it to do.
Yes I can remove Internet Explorer, Outlook Express, and MSN Messenger.
Why would the average user want to change the OS kernel?
Your virus point is BS, there are viruses for Unix and Linux... why are there so many for XP? Because its popular.. if Linux was in every house it would have the same problem.
I have used every MS operating system and the bottom line is is if that you watch what you install then you should have no problems excepting faulty hardware.
Bottom Line: People are idiots
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What do you expect?
These are people who paid $1000.00 (average) for a gaming console (computer). They have to defend this decision.
If you notice, the post criticizes a FULL linux install for being bigger than a windows install, which is just the OS.....nuff said.
read the sig...
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that guy's a moron.
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Ex Eleven / b0b 2.1 worte:
ANY IDOIT CAN USE LINUX THESE DAYS!
No, no, no, IDOIT do use Windoze.
If he is smart, he uses linux.
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Originally posted by Ex Eleven / b0b 2.1:
ANY IDOIT CAN USE LINUX THESE DAYS!
hah! i bet most windows users can't even spell 'idoit'!!!
:D :D :D
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Well surely he is right about XP being better then W98, except for spyware possibilities, 0ldsk00l compatibility, and that registration stuff. Of course being a pir8 gets rid of that registration problem.
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People who use windows out of a false sense of necessity, like lazygamer, I can understand, its just those pro-M$-Windows people that really tick me off. Why on earth would anyone love those shithole Monopolists so much. Don't they ever care that they are being ripped off by them, paying 400$ for an OS when they can get a better one for way less or free. Not to mention that M$ monopoly power has given them the ability to turn winblows into watchdog. I mean if someone says , "I hate M$ but I use windows because thats what my computer came with and I want to use apps that work on it", thats not great but not evil. But retards who say stuff like "Go Microsoft / Windows is the best / innovation blah blah Intellectual Property blah blah" deserve to be scalped.
Dumb.
V 0.8.7
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Originally posted by Doctor V 0.8.7:
its just those pro-M$-Windows people that really tick me off. Why on earth would anyone love those shithole Monopolists so much.
I believe that's called "having an opinion"
[ October 28, 2002: Message edited by: fett101 ]
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Originally posted by fett101:
I believe that's called "having an opinion"
[ October 28, 2002: Message edited by: fett101 ]
I agree, everyone has a right to their own opinion. It would be someone's right to hold the opinion that jumping off a high cliff without a parachute is a fun thing to do, but its my opinion that such a person would be very intellectually challenged.
V 0.8.7
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Originally posted by lazygamer:
Well surely he is right about XP being better then W98, except for spyware possibilities, 0ldsk00l compatibility, and that registration stuff. Of course being a pir8 gets rid of that registration problem.
When I had XP Pro on my machine, I never registered/activated it or whatever it and it never "stopped working" for me, not defending M$ or anything just saying. I am assuming that M$ made it necessary for the registration/activation with SP1???
Oh yea I have a Full/Legal copy
DJ
[ October 28, 2002: Message edited by: Engineer ]
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Originally posted by Doctor V 0.8.7:
I agree, everyone has a right to their own opinion. It would be someone's right to hold the opinion that jumping off a high cliff without a parachute is a fun thing to do, but its my opinion that such a person would be very intellectually challenged.
V 0.8.7
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and engineer, wait two years and then see how much it has stopped working.
two years is the average turnaround time for a new version of windows. Now let's see, do you plan to pay for a full/legal copy of whatever the next version of windows is too? maybe you don't think so now, but in two years' time (or one year and a bit now i suppose) you might be thinking about it...
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Originally posted by Calum-21.2:
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and engineer, wait two years and then see how much it has stopped working.
two years is the average turnaround time for a new version of windows. Now let's see, do you plan to pay for a full/legal copy of whatever the next version of windows is too? maybe you don't think so now, but in two years' time (or one year and a bit now i suppose) you might be thinking about it...
I am in school now, and I paid $5 for my copy of XP. I don't plan on buying any more M$ suites, OS or other. I have 98, 98SE, 2KPro, and XP Pro so if for some odd reason I have to go back to Windoze (doubtful) after I learn linux I have the disks. But I said I had it on my machine ;) , I went back to 2K Pro, so I can have it to fall back on until I get good with Linux.
Don't count me out yet, us Engineers aint all bad (http://tongue.gif)
DJ
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i'm not counting you out, just attempting to show that a 'my copy of windows xp is fine, so suck it' type of attitude may well fall prey in the future (also, don't take it personally, i am sure that's not what you meant, but you never know what meaning some readers of the board might bring to our posts!)
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I know that I am going to sound like an idiot so please don't pounce on me. I am definately pro Linux and hate everything Microsoft.
Unless I am wrong (which I probably am) I think that the guy talking to "LinuxMan" in the first post has a point. If Linux were as popular as MS there would be many more viruses out there for Linux. Am I missing something?
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The UNIX, Linux, permissions architecture makes it incredibly difficult to have a serious virus capable of hevy damage. Such a virus would have to run in root mode, something no one does other than for maintenance purposes. Logging out, rebooting etc. Kills all tasks, and a virus would be wiped from active memory.
It's not impossible, but it is very hard. Worm's and Trojans may be more of a threat, but only if you give them admin, or root permisions.
In windows, the OS is very pourus. There are a hundred and one loopholes easely exploited. That and curddy software like Lookout makes Windoze a virus trap.
[ October 30, 2002: Message edited by: psyjax v6.9 /Dave ]
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Posted by the sandman on those forums, the one with the self-made sig:
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I would suggest XP, it's got a cool look to it, and there's updated Mircrosoft stuff that's not available for 98.
Like - spyware? Bugfixes that will take care of some and bring many more?
edit: if the word "Microsoft" is so hard to spell, (Mircrosoft) why not use 'm$' ?
[ October 30, 2002: Message edited by: -=f00bar=- ]
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Originally posted by Ex Eleven / b0b 2.1:
Linux has no games:
I can play all the good Games in Linux Nativly and games like CounterStrike Run in WineX! Older games like Quake I (for the nostelgic) run in DosEMU with sound (Can XP do that on a modern system). And its Free!
No ! Quake 1 runs fine on linux-native apps like proquake, quakeforge or even the (very old) squake.
So no need for any Dosemu: just let it run the linux way ! w00t !!
http://www.planetquake.com/proquake (http://www.planetquake.com/proquake)
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Originally posted by Calum-21.2:
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If you say so.....
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i do say so.
without meaning to cause offence, let me point out:
you implied, in effect, that calling somebody stupid was denying their right to an opinion. This is a total fallacy. In fact, by attempting to restrict somebody's right to say that somebody is stupid, you yourself are saying that that person is not allowed to express their opinion.
Bottom line: if people don't want other people to say they are stupid (due to them not being thick skinned enough to cope with it), then people shouldn't verbalise their stupid opinions in the first place! (http://smile.gif)
also, one more answer, and i think this one will go in the FAq, as i have seen it asked a few times (if it's not in already that is!)
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Originally posted by TheGreatPoo:
Unless I am wrong (which I probably am) I think that the guy talking to "LinuxMan" in the first post has a point. If Linux were as popular as MS there would be many more viruses out there for Linux. Am I missing something?
Maybe there would be more linux viruses, however i suspect not. The reason i expect that viruses would not really be written for linux is that in linux, a program can not modify any system files, or any other users' files, when that program is run normally. Only when a program is run by the administrator, or somebody with priveleges to access certain other files, can those files be modified. So if a program for windows is set to replace all your system files with duds, one by one, and you get it in an email and open it with outlook (which runs executables in emails by default so i heard) then you are stuffed, due to windows having no real permissioning setup (not one that works anyway), a program trying to do the same thing in linux (even if you do run it, which is not default on any mail reader i have heard of in linux) will generate error messages (at the very worst) and exit, unless it is run as a priveleged user, or as root. And you shouldn't be checking your emails as root anyway.
[ October 31, 2002: Message edited by: Calum-21.2 ]
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Hmm, I don't know if I would call that guy stupid or moron. I don't know him personally, so making such a judgement could prove false in the end. However, I would certainly call him incompetent for not being able to install a different operating system or not trying anything else other than M$ shit. (http://smile.gif)
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well i think his behaviour and statements make it much more likely that he is a moron. how's that for accuracy and political correctness in one?
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I have actually Tried out Mandrake 7 and 8, and found that XP performs just fine for me.
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You do? Tell me about it ...
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Originally posted by fett101:
I have actually Tried out Mandrake 7 and 8, and found that XP performs just fine for me.
oh yeah? well i've tried out windows 98, windows ME, windows 2000, and windows XP, and i find mandrake 9.0 delivers the good every time.
why not come up with a statement with bollocks? for instance: "I've tried windows xxx, blahblahblah and ZXMFGHQ and i think it SUCKS COCK!.", now there's a nonbiased statement! :D
how can you possibly base your opinion of ONE system, on the fact that you have tried a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT OTHER system? (i'd like to know...)
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Originally posted by Calum-21.2:
well i think his behaviour and statements make it much more likely that he is a moron. how's that for accuracy and political correctness in one?
If you say so. (http://smile.gif)
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smartarse! (http://members.lycos.co.uk/polytheism/images/smiles/icon_cool.gif)
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Originally posted by Calum-21.2:
smartarse! (http://members.lycos.co.uk/polytheism/images/smiles/icon_cool.gif)
:D Just joking before. Well, these guy's claims are really moronic and to that I agree as well. ;)
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I just realized something. People are idiots.
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Originally posted by Calum-21.2:
oh yeah? well i've tried out windows 98, windows ME, windows 2000, and windows XP, and i find mandrake 9.0 delivers the good every time.
why not come up with a statement with bollocks? for instance: "I've tried windows xxx, blahblahblah and ZXMFGHQ and i think it SUCKS COCK!.", now there's a nonbiased statement! :D
how can you possibly base your opinion of ONE system, on the fact that you have tried a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT OTHER system? (i'd like to know...)
OK. First. Hows this?
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I'm not relly sure what that says, but it's what the leet speak generator gave me...
And the second question. Simple. I tried it. Played around for 2 weeks. Realized "Why am I doing this? Windows already does everything I need it to do. I've no reason to switch" And badda bing, badda boom. I feel no need to change my current OS.
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Originally posted by fett101:
And the second question. Simple. I tried it. Played around for 2 weeks. Realized "Why am I doing this? Windows already does everything I need it to do. I've no reason to switch" And badda bing, badda boom. I feel no need to change my current OS.
It really doesn't matter what you feel. Microsoft will be making all of those decisions for you.
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I think the tone of these windows people would change considerably if they all had to shell out the full retail price for windows and all the kewl appz they run.
I know most of these guys just acquired windows because it came on their pc pre-installed, and all their kewl appz were dled from Kazaa or the like.
You're not gonna be able to run these warez for long, kiddies!!!
Longhorn 2005 :D
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Originally posted by RudeCat8.0:
I think the tone of these windows people would change considerably if they all had to shell out the full retail price for windows and all the kewl appz they run.
I'd actually pay out for XP after using it for so long. Hell, unless MS gives some extra features in Longhorn, I might be staying with XP for a while.
As for other software. I doubt I use d/l software more then once. I usually d/l whatever because I happen to need it for some reason, and then just delete it. All my other software is freeware from cnet.
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extra features, hah!
enjoy, sucker, at least gimp , mozilla and openoffice run in windows too, lets hope microsoft don't classify them as 'unsavoury' or whatever the official term is, oh actually, let me think, i don't really give a SHIT, since i use linux...
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I feel lucky, seeing as I use a hardware platform in which the quality of OS selections are
Mac OS 9 (good)
Mac OS X (Damn good)
Linux (Damn good)
And on some of my older Macs, Be OS (Damn good)
As well as, I'm sure countless others. It's just that the two main choices (Mac OS and Linux) are both good, unlike Windows (mediocre at best) and Linux/UNIX (damn good). So, on PCs, I really only have one choice, Linux or UNIX based OSes. Windows isn't really a choice, it's just something I put on the HD so I can fiddle with X Wing Alliance or TIE Fighter or some other old game that doesn't like VPC and argues with Wine.
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I'd actually pay out for XP after using it for so long.
...But he wont, talk is cheap....
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Actually, the Activation thing is what would drive me away from buying it.
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ya know, i realy don't give a shit about what os i'm running as long as it works. i use xp, it works. i just can't be bothered downloading almost 2 gigs over a modem.
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Originally posted by Macman / Bob:
I just realized something. People are idiots.
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I'd actually pay out for XP after using it for so long. Hell, unless MS gives some extra features in Longhorn, I might be staying with XP for a while.
Or until M$ decides to stop activating it for you. (http://tongue.gif)
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