Stop Microsoft
All Things Microsoft => Microsoft Software => Topic started by: linux-newbie on 18 April 2002, 08:01
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WTF!? I go to read "all for crashing the M$ webserver..." post around 8:55 PM MDT and my cookie manager gives me a request from, of all places MSN.com - but ONLY on this one topic! I trtied server others as well as different forum areas but ONLY that topic has that cookie request. Here is the basic info:
Name: MC1
Value: E54DE98BDA57054A492B
Expire: 2003-10-01 18:00
Path: /
Domain: .msn.com
Is Secure: False
As I said, WTF?
Regards,
Linux-newbie
[ April 17, 2002: Message edited by: linux-newbie ]
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Hmm, fat fingers and dyslexia - MSN.com
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Hmmm, just looked at the "2000 Server Review" topic and got the same request!! What gives?
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"The man" is watching us...
I got the cookie on both topics too... maybe it's a client-side thing. But i'm still a little spooked.
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it's jptenrod, his signature graphic is hosted at http://communities.msn.com/_Secure/0OAARG5kUuk
YYm1icqdeTiUzXiiHsFTcPCh1IorxoeY1FMKRbjKuVwPIIs9u
0Uteytd6!vCF3md!BB1uCOmmtewAAAAAAAAAA/dolphin.gif
or at least it was in the past. I had heard he had changed it but perhaps some of his links are hard links (ie they didn't get updated when he changed hosts) there is actually a whole topic telling him about this, i suggest you post this info there, and let him edit out the image himself...
[ April 18, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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not all of his posts have been fixed up, a couple slipped the net.
i was thinking of sending him a PM to tell him about it but i didn't :D
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Oh no! The cookie monster is gonna get you all!
IE has something that your primative browsers must not have. It is called cookie control.
Pretty nifty eh?
http://zombie9922.homestead.com/files/cookieblock.jpg (http://zombie9922.homestead.com/files/cookieblock.jpg)
This indicates that the cookies for a site have been blocked. In this example I have the cookie for this site blocked.
http://zombie9922.homestead.com/files/cookieisblocked.jpg (http://zombie9922.homestead.com/files/cookieisblocked.jpg)
[ April 18, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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oh pish and tosh!
all the other browsers handle cookies fine, if in slightly different ways, the problem is those fucking sites that won't let you view them without cookies, for so called "security reasons".
Besides, it's the principle of the thing, are you one of those people who thinks that only people with something to hide want their privacy?
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Originally posted by Calum:
Besides, it's the principle of the thing, are you one of those people who thinks that only people with something to hide want their privacy?
Not at all. I keep my browsers' cookie control set at Medium-High at all times. It is low enough to where I can use forums but it is high enough to block the cookies from ad sites, porn popups, etc. It is a well known fact that ad sites use cookies to collect information about you and your interests so they can pop up ads that will interest you(so you will click on the stupid ad). I'm not very worried about hackers seeing my cookies because I have yet to have my system hacked(My firewalls block people everyday and I have *EVERY* port stealthed).
Really, I doubt MS gives a damn what sites you visit. I really doubt that MS reads anyones cookies. They have more important stuff to deal with than to sit around and browse peoples' cookies.
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:eek: :eek: :eek:
i agree with everything you just said!!!
well they say there's a first time for everything!
no, as i have intoned in the past, the privacy compromise is rarely about tracking individuals, it is about second parties selling first party information and statistics (gathered through easy to write and cheap software) to third parties and not giving any of the proceeds to the first parties (that's you and me) whose statistics and data they sold in the first place.
bringing it back to that car analogy, it's like somebody hiring out your car to strangers at night and keeping all the money because you were sleeping and wouldn't have used it then anyway.
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Originally posted by Zombie9920:
Not at all. I keep my browsers' cookie control set at Medium-High at all times. It is low enough to where I can use forums but it is high enough to block the cookies from ad sites, porn popups, etc. It is a well known fact that ad sites use cookies to collect information about you and your interests so they can pop up ads that will interest you(so you will click on the stupid ad). I'm not very worried about hackers seeing my cookies because I have yet to have my system hacked(My firewalls block people everyday and I have *EVERY* port stealthed).
Really, I doubt MS gives a damn what sites you visit. I really doubt that MS reads anyones cookies. They have more important stuff to deal with than to sit around and browse peoples' cookies.
i like mozilla for handling cookies. I just set it to allow cookies from fuckmicrosoft.com and nowhere else. The only sites that i have been to that make you use cookies is microsoft sites (hotmail). Mozilla 9.9 has better cookie handling than the previous releases. I cant wait for 1.0 to come out!
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these damn win keys (i hit them three times by accident in that post... Wheres that damn epoxy?
[ April 18, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality ]
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If a browser is working properly then a cookie shouldnt really ever be a security risk. The way a cookie is set is the server sends the cookie information through http and the browser says... ok this cookie is from this domain and makes a little file for it. Only this domain will beable to see this cookie.. And it will only beable to see the cookie.. nothing else.. the cookie is put in the http request whenever it see's the domain.. nothing else.. The problem is we think that the server peers in on our system.. so we think its a security risk. but thats not what happens. the cookie is sent when requesting the page. And only that server will see it because the browser isnt going to send that cookie to another server. As far as a cookie request from MSN.com that doesnt make any sense unless this forum has a hidden frame with msn.com in it.
[ April 18, 2002: Message edited by: Slacker ]
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Originally posted by Slacker:
If a browser is working properly then a cookie shouldnt really ever be a security risk. The way a cookie is set is the server sends the cookie information through http and the browser says... ok this cookie is from this domain and makes a little file for it. Only this domain will beable to see this cookie.. And it will only beable to see the cookie.. nothing else.. the cookie is put in the http request whenever it see's the domain.. nothing else.. The problem is we think that the server peers in on our system.. so we think its a security risk. but thats not what happens. the cookie is sent when requesting the page. And only that server will see it because the browser isnt going to send that cookie to another server. As far as a cookie request from MSN.com that doesnt make any sense unless this forum has a hidden frame with msn.com in it.
[ April 18, 2002: Message edited by: Slacker ]
fine, did you ever notice that every time you log in to hotmail, you pick up a cookie (which it is not compulsory to accept) that doesn't match the server path? why? is it so information other than that for which a cookie is intended can be gathered? what's the theory behind that?
Also, tell us about third party cookies? where do they come in, hmm?
Cookies may not be a security risk in the ideal world, but in an ideal world nobody would go hungry and we'd all be happy. The real world as you know is very different.
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Originally posted by Master of Reality:
i like mozilla for handling cookies. I just set it to allow cookies from fuckmicrosoft.com and nowhere else. The only sites that i have been to that make you use cookies is microsoft sites (hotmail). Mozilla 9.9 has better cookie handling than the previous releases. I cant wait for 1.0 to come out!
[ April 18, 2002: Message edited by: Master of Reality ]
Well, Mozilla RC-1 is available for download. You can get it over at http://www.mozilla.org/releases/ (http://www.mozilla.org/releases/)
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you're slipping, X11, where's the map, and the driving directions to his front door?
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Originally posted by X11:
Good to see you like mozilla zombie and according to Neotrace you live Just south of chicago at:
39.471N, 87.401W - Well anyway JOINK must be your ISP or something
ROFLMFAO. Your Longitude, Latitude is a little bit off buddy. I'll hint to you a little. I don't live near Bloomfield, IN. Try more like in Terre Haute, IN. ;)
If you really think you are scaring me you are dead wrong. (http://zombie9920.homestead.com/files/4.gif)
(EDIT)When did I ever say that I like Mozilla?(EDIT)
[ April 19, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Originally posted by X11:
Mozilla has cookie control, netscape has cookie control, lynx has cookie control, opera has cookie control... One thing that doesnt is your women.
SHE JUST CANT STOP EATING COOKIE'S SHES SO FAT
Oh yeah she is really fat, let me tell you. Well I guess a 122 LBS. woman is fat compared to your 3 LBS. hand. ;P
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Originally posted by X11:
I dont realy care where you live i just need to look and see if if can see your mum from outer space, you would be near there. YOU NEED YOUR MUMMY
I don't need shit buddy. If you ever had the balls to show up at my house I would have no problem with knocking the hell out of you. Oh yeah thats right, you don't even own a car. (http://tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by X11:
Dickhead...
In fact i do own a car, its a ford, my mum runs a car joint yo see, so i have more cars then you ever will.
And more money bitch, and i still use linux.
Personally i pay for my linux distro's.
And zombie, you probably never used any other machines, not mac not linux not sparc not nothin so suck my hairy balls bitch
HaHaHa, a Ford? Damn man, That is nothing to be proud of. Lets see, I own a 99 Chervolete Corvette, a 2000 Dodge Ram and a 95 Dodge Dakota(For hauling purposes). My G/F owns a 98 Mitsubishi Eclipse.
I really doubt you have more $$$ than me. You see man, I work in a computer shop and I make roughly $37.25 an hour and I get about 3-4 hours worth of work a day. If you do indeed have more $$$ than me then more power to you(it isn't like I'm jealous). A forum isn't like a whos the richest competition(Mr. Gates would have us all beat easily in that area).
(EDIT)Your wrong again buddy. I have owned an old IMac with a G3 processor and the sucker was alot slower than my PIII 667 mhz system and it always liked to freeze on me. I tried everything with it(I even clean installed OS9 a few times) to no avail. I have also ran a few distros of Linux on my 1.7ghz P4 box and I was gonna try the Mandrake 8.2 on my AXP 1700+ box but I decided not to. Mandrake 8.1 wasn't a bad OS but it just doesn't have the application support that I need out of a computer.
[ April 19, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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oh yeah?
wel i've got 5000 yachts, 623 wives, 19 mansions in different countries, my own island in the bahamas, i own a chain of restaurants, a major shipping company, a telecoms industry that spans most of asia and a theme park in orlando.
(sarcasm mode off)
put down your handbags, ladies! ;) (http://tongue.gif)
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Originally posted by X11:
Chev doesnt exist in australia, but there is holder (owned by GM) and they are absolute hunks of crap.
Mind you im 14 and still going to school dickhead.
GM is not crap man. You can put GM motors through hell and they will survive(I had an old 4 cylinder S-10 that I used as a durby truck to back that up). I have blown up a few fords in my time, so I am not a big fan of Ford. Mopar Motors are the most powerful per cubic inch motors out there(not to mention they have some nice body styles and hefty driveshaft, drive-trains and ass ends).
BTW, hows the weather in Australia?
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Originally posted by X11:
"man man man man" is that all you say, but it is all you think of, and your g/f's pussy is a bit tight, dont worry i loosened it for you.
And as rodney rude said (australian comiedien)
yo'l never ever have a big long thick austrlian DICK
D00d, you really don't want me to post a webcam pic of my white 9 incher do you? I hope not because I'm really not into showing off my stuff to men. LmFaO
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[sigh] :D you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it throw stones! what's this got to do with cookies?
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Originally posted by Calum:
[sigh] :D you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it throw stones! what's this got to do with cookies?
Good question.
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Originally posted by X11:
You realy are a fucking fagget, im 14 and i have a 9 incher. So eat that
I believe you meant to call me a faggot? I'm not going to eat anything of yours man, I do not swing that way. (http://redface.gif)
(EDIT)I have a question for you. Is it true that there are more Kangaroos than people in Australia? Also, is it true that alot of you live in little huts?
[ April 19, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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yes, and they all wear bones through their noses, and throw boomerangs at each other.
didn't you know that X11 himself finds it almost impossible to commute without insulting people?
All i can say is it must be hell on the public transport system there, what with all those boomerangs flying around in the carriages and all the insults going on!
[ April 19, 2002: Message edited by: Calum ]
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Originally posted by X11:
Some of us live in little huts, and kangaroos are a a endangered species, and in australia we call it fagget not faggot and you are a "Faggot" because you want to show a pic of your cock to a 14 year old boy. (perverted sick cunt)
I would suggest that you shut up, i might just delete your posts, im a moderator bitch
No son, you started talking about dicks and tried to insult mine. I simply called your bluff. If you re-read my post you will notice that it said that I really don't want to show my stuff to men. Learn how to comprehend what you read. ;P
Do you think I really give a fuck if you are a moderator? If you give a boy the power that only a man should have he will abuse it. (Which you already have abused it by trying to figure out where I live and post it on the board through my IP)
[ April 19, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Well, this was entertaining, albiet entirely useless.
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Originally posted by psyjax:
Well, this was entertaining, albiet entirely useless.
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it wouldnt be nearly as entertaining if i wasnt so damn bored. (http://smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Calum:
fine, did you ever notice that every time you log in to hotmail, you pick up a cookie (which it is not compulsory to accept) that doesn't match the server path? why? is it so information other than that for which a cookie is intended can be gathered? what's the theory behind that?
Also, tell us about third party cookies? where do they come in, hmm?
Cookies may not be a security risk in the ideal world, but in an ideal world nobody would go hungry and we'd all be happy. The real world as you know is very different.
Oh... Fuck that... Its A fucking cookie not a fucking conspiracy. Cookies are harmless.
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uhu... have fun weeding thrugh spam and other such solicitation. I don't like to be profiled without my concent thank you very much.
Go ahead live like a fish in a bowl. I'll keep my cookies off.
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Originally posted by X11:
Anyway, you said GM are crap, well GM own Chev idiot.
and you own a chev, anyway did you know my dads work car (my dad has a desk job, and also has to drive around the state fixing network problems for the Power company) and so his car and fuel are paid for by his work (logica) and thats a standard and very popular wagon (2000) and it has 210hp.
Australian laws (what laws?) arent very strict about car horsepower, but they are about speeding.
I just had to say this last thing to tell you all
And now i realize why zombie likes microsoft, probably because he works in a computer shop, and Without Microsoft Crap he would be homeless, but i
think we parhaps should drop this argument onto a different thread
What are you talking about retard? I said that GM *ISN'T* crap. Learn how to read boy.
You are right about Microsofts crap making me alot of money in the computer shop..but if I didn't have that job I am also qualified to be a mechanic, or I could be a carpenter or a landscaper. There are hundreds of other jobs out there that I can do so *NO* I wouldn't be homeless.
[ April 20, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Ok, back on the subject of cookies.
I tried those new chocolate cream Oreo cookies today. They really suck, I like the original Oreo cookies alot better.
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Nope. The remote OS guess of Windows ME or Win2K RC-1 is way off. LoL
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Jesus Christ boy, you really are a loser aren't you. I just looked at firewall 1's log and this is what I came across. You really have nothing better to do than sit on your ass and *TRY* to hack a computer ehhh?
You are pathetic though because you didn't even make it past firewall one, so you didn't even trip an alarm with firewall 2.
(EDIT)Thanx for your IP because now I get to have some fun. ;) (EDIT)
(http://zombie9922.homestead.com/files/X11loser.jpg)
[ April 20, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Originally posted by X11:
Yes but knowone cares about people who like Microsoft here and there loony bin oppinoions and how they like posting images of the nob on forums.
So in a word Fuck Off Dickhead.
Nobody cares about the opinions of individuals who don't know how to spell. Oh yeah! You started talking about the cock remember? X11 loves the cock.
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Ok. Now I know your ISP, thier phone number, thier E-Mail addy and even thier street address. (EDITED OUT for legal safety reasons(EDIT)You may like to try to play the game...but you screwed up when you tried it with someone who is experienced. And to think, you are afraid of harmless little cookies when there are much worse things out there that can endanger your privacy. :D
ISP
TELSTRAINTERNET5-AU
Telstra Internet
Address of ISP
Telstra Internet
Locked Bag 5744
Canberra
ACT 2601
Phone number of ISP
+61 6 248-6165
E-Mail addy of ISP
[email protected]
[ April 20, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
[ April 20, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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I have a question for you. Does your motherboard by any chance have the i810 chipset?
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Originally posted by X11:
Trying to scare me....
Like i care, run a D0S my Windows loaded peice of crap gateway will crash and i will reboot and reconnect, but ive reconnected since then.[/
I don't do DoS attacks man. When I get pushed far enough to attack someone I simply damage thier motherboards' BIOS so the computer will not work again. You haven't made me mad enough to do anything like that yet.
[ April 20, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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well! that wouldn't be a very nice thing to do!!!
also, wouldn't it be easy to find out all that stuff about telstra, by just looking in telephone directories and suchlike?
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You don't post IP's Eh? What do you call this line? "Interesting ports on 12-109-88-32.joink.com (xx.xxx.xx.xx)"
I just smudged out your IP in that pic, now please delete that line from your post and please delete this post.
[ April 21, 2002: Message edited by: X11 ]
[ April 21, 2002: Message edited by: Zombie9920 ]
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Originally posted by Calum:
well! that wouldn't be a very nice thing to do!!!
also, wouldn't it be easy to find out all that stuff about telstra, by just looking in telephone directories and suchlike?
There are Telephone directories for USA residents to look up Australia numbers? I didn't know that, BTW..it isn't like I would call up an Australian # anyways. That would cost an arm and a leg for one call. =0P
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yeah, :confused: it's not hard to type "telstra directory" into Google (http://google.com/linux[/quote), you know!
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awww how sweet, a lovers quarrel