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Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: Xeen on 20 February 2004, 19:58: According to this (http://www.winnetmag.com/windowspaulthurrott/Article/ArticleID/41813/windowspaulthurrott_41813.html), the minimum requirements for Longhorn could possibly be 3Ghz. Is it just me or is that just a little bit fucking insane?
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: madluther on 20 February 2004, 23:47: As far as I'm concerned the higher the requirements the better, hardware manufacturers will push clock speeds and memory bandwidth thru the roof trying to keep up with M$'s bloat. The more of these systems they make the cheaper they get. Install linux/FreeBSD etc on such a machine and you have a rocketship. Seems to me like a win / win situation for non M$ users. :D
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: WMD on 21 February 2004, 01:02: I'm thinking about 1Ghz and 512MB ram for Longhorn.

And this guy (a clear Windoze fan) seems happy about 3Ghz not being good enough. Wtf? :confused:
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: restin256 on 21 February 2004, 02:27: I read that it was something like 800MHz.
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: skyman8081 on 21 February 2004, 07:53: I'M SURE 3Ghz is insane, if loghorn was out today.

it comes out in 2006/2007

processor speeds be way more that 3 Ghz then

*nix wont matter it runs on anything, the hardware that longhorn runs would make a damn fine server running freebsd.
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: Fett101 on 21 February 2004, 10:44: Xp requirements are:
300mhz
128 Ram
1.5Gb Hard drive.

I'd guess for Longhorn:
800mhz
256Ram
2-3GB
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: mobrien_12 on 21 February 2004, 11:15: quote:
Originally posted by Fett101:
Xp requirements are:
300mhz
128 Ram
1.5Gb Hard drive.

I'd guess for Longhorn:
800mhz
256Ram
2-3GB

Are those the absolute minimum requirements or realistic minimum requirements?

Win95 requirements said a 386 with 8 MB of ram, but I tried it and found the computer was so slow that it was functionally useless.

Win98 says it will run on a 486/66 but it's really pokey on a Pentium 200 (which runs Win95 nicely).

[ February 21, 2004: Message edited by: M. O'Brien ]
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: hm_murdock on 21 February 2004, 16:04: would it be off-topic if I mentioned that my feet don't stink?
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: Fett101 on 21 February 2004, 20:32: quote:
Originally posted by M. O'Brien:

Are those the absolute minimum requirements or realistic minimum requirements?

Those are what MS claims they are.
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: Stryker on 21 February 2004, 23:13: i've used xp on a 64mb computer before :(
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: Stilly on 22 February 2004, 06:23: i really dont see how an operating system could take 3 ghz unless it was all fancy animations to compete with osx
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: Parrott on 22 February 2004, 06:29: your forgetting the sheer number of spy progs they proballaly have imbedded deeper than ie running around the clock, welcome to microsoft spyhorn where can we make you go today?
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: enjoijeff on 24 February 2004, 21:46: HEY YOU GUYS ONE GOOGLE SEARCH AND YOU WILL FIND OUT THAT LONGHORN ALSO CAN MAKE STEAK! http://www.longhornsteakhouse.com/splash.asp (http://www.longhornsteakhouse.com/splash.asp)

Man, Bill Gates is a genius!
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: Paladin9 on 24 February 2004, 21:53: quote:
Originally posted by enjoijeff:
HEY YOU GUYS ONE GOOGLE SEARCH AND YOU WILL FIND OUT THAT LONGHORN ALSO CAN MAKE STEAK!

I guess if you smoke enough marijuana, anything seems funny.
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: restin256 on 25 February 2004, 04:23: That's why your sig's so funny!
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: Paladin9 on 25 February 2004, 07:37: Its not supposed to be funny fuck nut
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: restin256 on 26 February 2004, 05:39: And I was meant to be sarcastic.
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: Paladin9 on 26 February 2004, 05:57: quote:
Originally posted by Stryker:
i've used xp on a 64mb computer before :(

Actually you can run windows on a computer that does not meet the minimum requirements. I had a 300MHz computer with win2k and only 64Mb. The minimum requirement for 2k is 64, but this computer sometimes thought that it had 27Mb when it boots,(very weird) and 2k still worked.
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: hm_murdock on 26 February 2004, 10:09: Longhorn will run on the same stuff xp and 2000 will

there will be no arguments because this is the truth.
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: worker201 on 26 February 2004, 11:03: If it doesnt get released until 2006/2007, how will they suck up money until then?

My lord, everyone will be using Linux by then!
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: floakster on 26 February 2004, 13:42: At home I am running 2K on a 166 with 32M RAM. It's slow, but it never crashes.

Also runs AutoCAD 2004.
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: hm_murdock on 26 February 2004, 15:34: I show pictures of boxes and it does allright with 768KB!
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: young1024 on 20 March 2004, 05:58: Next thing I know, Microsoft's system requirements are going to surpass our current hardware makers' abilities! No, wait, they're close to that already. And 3GHz... FYI, the current microprocessor's size is 90 nm, beyond that... we'll have to go subatomic soon. And that's not a good thing.
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: WMD on 21 March 2004, 01:27: quote:
Originally posted by jimmyjames.sytes.net:
Longhorn will run on the same stuff xp and 2000 will

there will be no arguments because this is the truth.

Yes there will be, Jimmy (http://tongue.gif)

The current Longhorn betas are EXTREMELY slow on pretty much everything, thanks to the extra API layer MS threw in (apparently for security). And, it has a modified XP GUI, and the XP theme is slow as it is.
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: skyman8081 on 21 March 2004, 01:41: quote:
Originally posted by WMD:

Yes there will be, Jimmy (http://tongue.gif)

The current Longhorn betas are EXTREMELY slow on pretty much everything, thanks to the extra API layer MS threw in (apparently for security). And, it has a modified XP GUI, and the XP theme is slow as it is.

OMGOMGOMGOMG!! M$ IS TEH SUX BCAUSE A LEAKED UNFINISHED ALPHA IS BUGGY AND SLOW!!! LOLOLOL!!!

TEH LEAKED BETA'S ARE TEH SUXOR!!! M$ IS TEH EVIL!!! LOLOLOL!!!!
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: WMD on 21 March 2004, 01:49: This wasn't leaked. :rolleyes:

And knowing Microsoft, who knows what will get fixed and what won't.
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: restin256 on 21 March 2004, 10:42: I don't know how many times I've already said it, but M$ Betas are nicknames for final products.

<rant content="shityou'vealreadyheard">Remember five years ago when we were all using P2's with 128MB of RAM and Windows 98 (assuming you weren't a mac fan)? It went slow. Remember every time you said you wished you had a faster processor? Now that we do, windows XP still runs slow and buggy. In theory, that's because it no longer runs off of the command prompt (like Linux and supposedly Mac does); it's a Java app with hardware detection. Sure it has some new features, like transparancy, but that's nothing to add 2 gigahertz to your CPU about. Windows is bloaty and that's how they've earnned so much money, because people don't often have a choice of to run it or not.

</rant>

[ March 21, 2004: Message edited by: restin256 ]
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: jtpenrod on 22 March 2004, 12:20: quote:

I'd guess for Longhorn:
800mhz
256Ram
2-3GB

Actually, I'm guessing $800.00 as a minimum requirement. That's before getting new apps to replace the ones that will no longer run on it. :D
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Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: ShawnD1 on 9 April 2004, 16:46: quote:
Originally posted by WMD:
And, it has a modified XP GUI, and the XP theme is slow as it is.

Longhorn will probably have the option to turn most of that crap off. I too noticed that the XP theme was slow, so I turned all the junk off.
control panel >> system >> advanced >> performance >> adjust for best performance
The improvement in system speed is quite noticable. After setting it to performance, it looks exactly the same as Windows 2000. That's a strange coincidence......

[ April 09, 2004: Message edited by: ShawnD1 ]
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: DukePuke on 9 April 2004, 18:26: btw Mandrake Linux versions 9 & 10 is fucky slow, almost as windoze XP, and all shit you got then install all 4 CD's will make mess on your hard drive.
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: WMD on 9 April 2004, 22:50: Mandrake 10 should be faster than 9...and KDE is slow, that's probably part of it.
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: T-Wood on 10 April 2004, 01:48: it really doesnt matter how fast longhorn is going to be. Its gonna slow down after you intstall programs anyway. I mean windows xp starts out fine but about 2 - 6 weeks later the system is so clogged up with BS that it runs like an ugreased motor. Remeber this is microsoft, their history of screw ups kinda speaks for itself.
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: trickslider on 13 April 2004, 16:32: re: min specs for longhorn....
i'm running longhorn 4053 on my test machine.
it runs more than adequately on a pentium 2 450Mhz, with 256MB RAM. it takes a while to boot up (3-4 mins) but i can reduce that by disabling WinFS. As for the claims of 3Ghz, thats probably just the result of incestuous backscratching between intel and MS. hope this info is useful
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: PseudoRandomDragon on 14 April 2004, 06:57: You are right about computers not making much progress in speed because of these bloated OSes. That is why I ran Win98SE for as long as I did. It crashed a shitload, but less privacy concerns involved and greater speed given my computer kept me with it. When I double click a folder, it opened immediately. Win2kPro, hah, I must wait half a second for a folder to open. Why? All the graphic shit they put in it. Faster computers every day, but being bogged down by shit I don't need.

Thank God for Mandrake. The Mandrake GUI (KDE) gets faster with new releases while Windows gets slower.

It is only going to get worse though. Man, I am just going to laugh at all the useless graphic shit they have in Long&hardHorn.

P.S.: Yeah, I turned off the graphic shit in Win2k. Still doesn't compare to 98 or KDE with the same specs.
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: Topdawg2050 on 17 April 2004, 00:18: Isnt there a law that says noone can have a commercial monopoly over anything. Microsoft would be considered a monopoly wouldent it? I would happily convert to Linux, but none of my favorite programs would be compatible. If linux had that compatibility issue worked out i would convert instantly!

BTW Trickslider: I'll be willing to buy that test version off of you (http://tongue.gif)
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: Refalm on 17 April 2004, 00:32: quote:
Topdawg2050: I would happily convert to Linux, but none of my favorite programs would be compatible. If linux had that compatibility issue worked out i would convert instantly!

What kind of programs are we talking about?
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: PseudoRandomDragon on 17 April 2004, 08:05: He could only be talking about games. Either that, or some special custom made company program. Just about everything I need works with Linux, except games.
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: Paladin9 on 17 April 2004, 08:44: quote:
Originally posted by Topdawg2050:
Isnt there a law that says noone can have a commercial monopoly over anything. Microsoft would be considered a monopoly wouldent it? I would happily convert to Linux, but none of my favorite programs would be compatible. If linux had that compatibility issue worked out i would convert instantly!

BTW Trickslider: I'll be willing to buy that test version off of you (http://tongue.gif)

What actually happened with splitting MS? Why did it not happen?
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: PseudoRandomDragon on 17 April 2004, 21:02: It didn't happen because the US government sucks. Maybe there will be a chance of it happening again if the US gov't stops sucking.
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: Stilly on 17 April 2004, 11:09: quote:
Originally posted by PseudoRandom Dragon:
You are right about computers not making much progress in speed because of these bloated OSes. That is why I ran Win98SE for as long as I did. It crashed a shitload, but less privacy concerns involved and greater speed given my computer kept me with it. When I double click a folder, it opened immediately. Win2kPro, hah, I must wait half a second for a folder to open. Why? All the graphic shit they put in it. Faster computers every day, but being bogged down by shit I don't need.

Thank God for Mandrake. The Mandrake GUI (KDE) gets faster with new releases while Windows gets slower.

It is only going to get worse though. Man, I am just going to laugh at all the useless graphic shit they have in Long&hardHorn.

P.S.: Yeah, I turned off the graphic shit in Win2k. Still doesn't compare to 98 or KDE with the same specs.

im pretty sure theres some kind of menu where you can adjust the time between double clicking and opening a file
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: PseudoRandomDragon on 17 April 2004, 19:39: ha ha OK sure. Have fun finding it.
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: Refalm on 18 April 2004, 01:00: quote:
Originally posted by PseudoRandom Dragon:
He could only be talking about games. Either that, or some special custom made company program. Just about everything I need works with Linux, except games.

Not *ALL* games. OpenGL and Quake III Arena-based games usually work, like MOHAA, Unreal Tournament, Battlefield, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, etc.

And of course, gmaes that are made for Linux and Windows: UT 2004 (http://www.unrealtournament.com/). Very easy to install btw. Just open a console, cd to your CD/DVD-ROM, do su, enter "sh linux-installer.sh" and the rest should be pretty straight forward.

Actually, UT 2004 is a pretty good example how easy it is for game developers to make a Linux and Windows version in one package.
The only thing that's different are the binaries. The Windows version is using Direct3D and the Linux version uses OpenGL + SDL, which makes it look just as good as the Direct3D version.
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: Stilly on 18 April 2004, 10:39: quote:
Originally posted by PseudoRandom Dragon:
ha ha OK sure. Have fun finding it.

it was on the screen savers like last summer or so.

but how many preferences could there be in windows?
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: Fett101 on 18 April 2004, 20:55: quote:
Originally posted by PseudoRandom Dragon:
ha ha OK sure. Have fun finding it.

Using the TweakUI power toy, it's in the Mouse settings. Otherwise, it's in the registry at

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Desktop\
in the key named MenuShowDelay

Set to zero for no delay. Higher numbers for longer delay.
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: PseudoRandomDragon on 19 April 2004, 00:05: lol that is not what I was talking about. TuneUP utilites does that anyway. I was taling about the delay in actually opening up folders.
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: solarflare on 19 April 2004, 00:07: quote:
Originally posted by xeen:
According to this (http://www.winnetmag.com/windowspaulthurrott/Article/ArticleID/41813/windowspaulthurrott_41813.html), the minimum requirements for Longhorn could possibly be 3Ghz. Is it just me or is that just a little bit fucking insane?

LOL!!!

I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT SHITHORNS REQUIREMENTS - I USE THE MOST ADVANCED OPERATING SYSTEM IN THE WORLD - AND GUESS WHAT... IT'S NOT WINDOWS!!!

LOL!!

"Get a life - GET A MAC!"
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: PseudoRandomDragon on 19 April 2004, 06:36: Yeah, the most advanced OS in the world. I bet it runs on the most powerful personal computer, right. :rolleyes:
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: Paladin9 on 20 April 2004, 03:04: quote:
Originally posted by PseudoRandom Dragon:
Yeah, the most advanced OS in the world. I bet it runs on the most powerful personal computer, right. :rolleyes:

I like macs of course, but I think a lot of the things they say in their ads can be kinda stupid. Those "switch" commercials were really bad. It is almost like they want people to hate apple. "Uh, yeah, my pc use to, like, beep a lot and stuff, then I got a mac." I was embarrassed for apple. what were they thinking???
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: Topdawg2050 on 20 April 2004, 03:37: Games? Hell yes! Also i like Microsoft Office 2003 pro.
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: WMD on 20 April 2004, 08:39: quote:
Originally posted by PseudoRandom Dragon:
Yeah, the most advanced OS in the world. I bet it runs on the most powerful personal computer, right. :rolleyes:

Well at least the PPC architecture has a better design. Or at least one without as many legacy issues that make x86 rather suck.

Either way, I still want my OSX for x86. Fine, I'll call it OpenStep/Mach 5 for x86, I don't care. :D
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: Topdawg2050 on 20 April 2004, 20:10: Yeah, but can anyone explain why the processor on PPC's are so much slower than they are supposed to be?! Even Microsoft Windoze 2003 PPC is way beyond its cosmetics like in XP.
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: Refalm on 20 April 2004, 20:31: There's a Windows Server 2003 for PPC? Proof it.
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: Topdawg2050 on 20 April 2004, 23:30: No, lmfao, Windows 2003 pocket pc edition, Who said server? lol
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: Fett101 on 21 April 2004, 00:04: quote:
Originally posted by PseudoRandom Dragon:
lol that is not what I was talking about. TuneUP utilites does that anyway. I was taling about the delay in actually opening up folders.

What delay? Not running it on a 200mhz pos are we?
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: WMD on 21 April 2004, 21:24: quote:
Originally posted by Topdawg2050:
No, lmfao, Windows 2003 pocket pc edition, Who said server? lol

"PPC" doesn't stand for "pocket PC." It's "PowerPC," and it currently gets to 2Ghz per chip (though the comparative speeds to x86 are very close). You must be thinking of the Intel Strongarm 206Mhz chip.
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: PseudoRandomDragon on 24 April 2004, 08:59: quote:
Originally posted by Fett101:

What delay? Not running it on a 200mhz pos are we?

450MHz POS actually. What? I need 1ghz to open a folder in less than half a second?
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: Topdawg2050 on 24 April 2004, 21:21: No, you need a 2.8 ghz w\ 533 fsb to open a folder instantly :-p.
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: Fett101 on 24 April 2004, 20:38: I dunno. I'd say more RAM would be more helpful.
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: mobrien_12 on 5 May 2004, 05:17: Well these aren't minimum requriements, but here is what MS is saying the average longhorn box should look like.

quote:
from Slashdot (http://slashdot.org/articles/04/05/04/2223237.shtml?tid=137&tid=185&tid=190&tid=201)
"At first I thought this was a joke, but this article from Microsoft Watch confirms it: 'Microsoft is expected to recommend that the 'average' Longhorn PC feature a dual-core CPU running at 4 to 6GHz; a minimum of 2 gigs of RAM; up to a terabyte of storage; a 1 Gbit, built-in, Ethernet-wired port and an 802.11g wireless link; and a graphics processor that runs three times faster than those on the market today.'"

[ May 04, 2004: Message edited by: M. O'Brien ]
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: zao on 12 May 2004, 10:05: quote:
At first I thought this was a joke, but this article from Microsoft Watch confirms it: 'Microsoft is expected to recommend that the 'average' Longhorn PC feature a dual-core CPU running at 4 to 6GHz; a minimum of 2 gigs of RAM; up to a terabyte of storage; a 1 Gbit, built-in, Ethernet-wired port and an 802.11g wireless link; and a graphics processor that runs three times faster than those on the market today

Flawed design. This is pratically a overkill for the decent consumers. Not that efficient IMHO.
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: Canadian Lover on 1 August 2004, 06:46: quote:
Originally posted by xeen:
According to this (http://www.winnetmag.com/windowspaulthurrott/Article/ArticleID/41813/windowspaulthurrott_41813.html), the minimum requirements for Longhorn could possibly be 3Ghz. Is it just me or is that just a little bit fucking insane?

Not really, considering These (CAD) prices. (http://a-power.com/parts/cpu.htm#cpu)
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: solarismka on 5 August 2004, 11:01: quote:
Originally posted by floakster:
At home I am running 2K on a 166 with 32M RAM. It's slow, but it never crashes.

Also runs AutoCAD 2004.

On my dell optiplex I can run 2k with crashes. Its a p1 166 with 64 mb ram. Slow as shit!

I've tried putting winXP and 2in2k3 on ity with no success. The hardware was simply not powerful enough. I have ran Linux with even older machnies (p75) and they work great.

I'll persnoaly think a p4 @1ghz and 128mb ram is enough for anybody. There is no reason to buy a machnine that needs even more expensive and more powerful hardware just to do the same thing and get the same kind of results with more vouyer power given to M$ corps.
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: solarismka on 5 August 2004, 11:10: quote:
Originally posted by Topdawg2050:
Games? Hell yes! Also i like Microsoft Office 2003 pro.

Crossover office runs M$ Office fine!

Love games for linux. But I'm not a hard core gamer so I don't play often
Title: Minimum Requirements for Longhorn
Post by: M51DPS on 5 August 2004, 23:43: quote:
Originally posted by kn0wn:
I'll persnoaly think a p4 @1ghz and 128mb ram is enough for anybody. There is no reason to buy a machnine that needs even more expensive and more powerful hardware just to do the same thing and get the same kind of results with more vouyer power given to M$ corps.

"640K [of memory] ought to be enough for anybody." - Bill Gates (1981)